International Relations

There's another story that joining Donny's Gaza thing is going to cost $1B a year for membership. What is that? Mar-a-Lago Gaza membership? Not even a Palestinian involved. I don't have a link yet to that story but it will come. - @fluffy2560It just goes towards Trump's bank account. - @SimCityAT
Very possibly, but you have to show evidence when you make a claim. - @Fred

Try following the news. I know its hard for you Fred because you don't like it.

There's another story that joining Donny's Gaza thing is going to cost $1B a year for membership. What is that? Mar-a-Lago Gaza membership? Not even a Palestinian involved. I don't have a link yet to that story but it will come. - @fluffy2560It just goes towards Trump's bank account. - @SimCityAT
Very possibly, but you have to show evidence when you make a claim. - @Fred
Try following the news. I know its hard for you Fred because you don't like it. - @SimCityAT

So link to proof of your alleged fraud.

It might well be true, but anyone can claim anything without evidence.

I could claim you wear a flowery pink dress on Friday nights when you go to dodgy night clubs, but I can't show it's true unless I post photos.

Not that I have any, but I can still claim it if evidence free accusations are acceptable.

There's another story that joining Donny's Gaza thing is going to cost $1B a year for membership. What is that? Mar-a-Lago Gaza membership? Not even a Palestinian involved. I don't have a link yet to that story but it will come. - @fluffy2560
It just goes towards Trump's bank account. - @SimCityAT

Apparently that's true.  He'll control it all personally in perpetuity. 

Some reports say it's forming up as an alternative to the UN.

I'm expecting Tony Blair to withdraw.  He's got no credibility whatsoever in Gaza. Or many other places come to that.   And I doubt he's got $1B down the back of the sofa.

Even Netanyahu is pushing back as Trump did not consult on it.

@fluffy2560

I don't think Blair has to pay as he is on the executive board, but the leaders of the countries do. It really does sounds all messed up. Inviting 60 countries to join?

@fluffy2560 I don't think Blair has to pay as he is on the executive board, but the leaders of the countries do. It really does sounds all messed up. Inviting 60 countries to join? - @SimCityAT

Messed up is far too generous.  I'd be using more extreme words.

I think there's a lot of push back on Blair.   

Trump isn't going to live forever and according to his rules, he and he alone nominates successors and makes all decisions.

Who wants to get $1B tied up with him or his family?  That's lunacy.

He'll struggle to get anyone to fall for this scam or perhaps some will, on the grounds they can scam him back by changing the rules.   

Let's see who has $1B of someone else's money (e.g. citizens) they can throw his way.   

Did you see the letter he sent to Norway?

Dear Jonas,

Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a "right of ownership" anyway?

There are no written documents, it's only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.

I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States.

The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.

Thank you!

President DJT

SOURCE: SKY NEWS

This is what AI says about the letter

That letter is… a lot. And I can see exactly why you’re exasperated.

I won’t comment on any political figure personally, but I can talk about the writing itself — and the writing is undeniably chaotic. It jumps between topics, makes sweeping claims without support, mixes emotional grievance with geopolitical arguments, and uses capitalisation like a teenager trying to sound dramatic. It reads more like a rant than a diplomatic communication.

1. The man is completely off his rocker..... You would think he would use AI to help him write letters, just to make him sound somewhat intelligent? His grammar is embarrassing to say the least.

AI version of what I wrote.

That level of sloppiness can feel like an insult in itself. When someone sends you something so chaotic that you have to decode it, it’s hard not to think, “If you can’t even be bothered to write a coherent sentence, why am I giving this my time?”

And the irony you’re pointing out is real — we live in a world where help is literally one click away. If someone still manages to produce a grammatical train wreck, it often says more about their attitude than their ability. It feels careless, lazy, or just wildly unaware.

Did you see the letter he sent to Norway?
Dear Jonas,

Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a "right of ownership" anyway?

There are no written documents, it's only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.

I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States.

The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.

Thank you!

President DJT

SOURCE: SKY NEWS

This is what AI says about the letter

That letter is… a lot. And I can see exactly why you’re exasperated.
I won’t comment on any political figure personally, but I can talk about the writing itself — and the writing is undeniably chaotic. It jumps between topics, makes sweeping claims without support, mixes emotional grievance with geopolitical arguments, and uses capitalisation like a teenager trying to sound dramatic. It reads more like a rant than a diplomatic communication.


The man is completely off his rocker..... You would think he would use AI to help him write letters, just to make him sound somewhat intelligent? His grammar is embarrassing to say the least.


AI version of what I wrote.
That level of sloppiness can feel like an insult in itself. When someone sends you something so chaotic that you have to decode it, it’s hard not to think, “If you can’t even be bothered to write a coherent sentence, why am I giving this my time?”

And the irony you’re pointing out is real — we live in a world where help is literally one click away. If someone still manages to produce a grammatical train wreck, it often says more about their attitude than their ability. It feels careless, lazy, or just wildly unaware. - @SimCityAT

It's just mentally retarded.  But that's an insult to mentally retarded people.  We're way beyond that.

Norway the country doesn't award the Nobel prize, it's the Nobel prize committee.   And that's nothing to do with the Norwegian government who have no influence.  Why he felt a need to write a letter is baffling.  And it's a nonsense.

I heard this morning on the radio Donny does not understand how Greenland appears to be enormous on the map but is actually much smaller.   Mercator projection he knows nothing of.   His mind doesn't reach that far.

Donny has the WEF to attend and maybe he'll say something else equally off the wall.  It's might all just be a flash in the pan.

There's a view that he's engineering an emergency to excuse the tariffs so he can keep them going in the face of SCOTUS throwing them out which seems likely - they've caused a lot of chaos.   But a state of emergency could keep them rolling for a little while longer while they implement their Plan B.   

@fluffy2560

As I've said before, AI is brilliant for writing letters. I often do it now because of my Dyslexia. I know what I want to say, but it often just comes out back to front. So I would normally have to write a start, middle and end. Then write the pieces separately. For someone so big on wanting AI in the world, you would think he would use it. His wife wants children to learn to use it, but you would have thought Donald would fit right in.

Now, as to why Denmark should have a claim to Greenland makes me laugh because America sent boats there 300 years ago.

We have 3 more years of this. Gawd knows what he will try to do in the coming years scares me and probably the rest of the world.

I'm expecting Tony Blair to withdraw. He's got no credibility whatsoever in Gaza. Or many other places come to that. And I doubt he's got $1B down the back of the sofa - @fluffy2560

Blair got a lot of cash from the US as payment for the ILLEGAL invasion of Iraq and his WMD lies.

Since then, he's been a background fixer on a lot of projects using his TBI money machine and a lot of well hidden income that nobody has ever cracked.

However,  he also knows when something is toxic.

I'm truly shocked anyone thinks bent Blair's credibility matters at all- it's always about how much cash he can screw - his network is big, and he has the billion down the back of offshore accounts, but he won't need to spend it.

I'm expecting Tony Blair to withdraw. He's got no credibility whatsoever in Gaza. Or many other places come to that. And I doubt he's got $1B down the back of the sofa - @fluffy2560
Blair got a lot of cash from the US as payment for the ILLEGAL invasion of Iraq and his WMD lies.
Since then, he's been a background fixer on a lot of projects using his TBI money machine and a lot of well hidden income that nobody has ever cracked.
However, he also knows when something is toxic.
I'm truly shocked anyone thinks bent Blair's credibility matters at all- it's always about how much cash he can screw - his network is big, and he has the billion down the back of offshore accounts, but he won't need to spend it. - @Fred

Oh gawd here we go again, Bla Bla Bla. He would have been arrested and charged if it were lies and illegal. He wasn't, so stop the boring repetitive nonsense now. 

Did I like Blair? He might have had some good things and bad ideas, just as most PMs do. But as for Iraq, it was down to misinformation given to him and Bush. That's how politics work; you might not like it, but at the time, they believed it was the right move.

You can't sit back and say oh, that was wrong, shouldn't have done that. Just for hearsay, what would you be saying if the intel was right?

https://news.sky.com/story/trumps-extra … d-13496272

Dear Jonas,

Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a "right of ownership" anyway?

There are no written documents, it's only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.

I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States.

The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.

Thank you!

President DJT

I'll leave readers to decide what they think of the above, but it appears to be the actual wording of a real letter.

Did I like Blair? He might have had some good things and bad ideas, just as most PMs do. But as for Iraq, it was down to misinformation given to him and Bush. That's how politics work; you might not like it, but at the time, they believed it was the right move.
You can't sit back and say oh, that was wrong, shouldn't have done that. Just for hearsay, what would you be saying if the intel was right? - @SimCityAT

I have no idea how you manage to be totally wrong in every post, but you do.

Blair was behind the push to invade Iraq, including producing the dodgy dossier for Bush.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 … aq-chilcot

He was handsomely paid by the US for doing so, much of it via South Korean companies in an attempt to hide his thirty pieces of silver.

https://news.sky.com/story/trumps-extra … d-13496272
Dear Jonas,Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a "right of ownership" anyway?There are no written documents, it's only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States.The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.Thank you!President DJT

I'll leave readers to decide what they think of the above, but it appears to be the actual wording of a real letter. - @Fred

There are NO readers; you have pissed off everyone.

@fluffy2560
As I've said before, AI is brilliant for writing letters. I often do it now because of my Dyslexia. I know what I want to say, but it often just comes out back to front. So I would normally have to write a start, middle and end. Then write the pieces separately. For someone so big on wanting AI in the world, you would think he would use it. His wife wants children to learn to use it, but you would have thought Donald would fit right in.
Now, as to why Denmark should have a claim to Greenland makes me laugh because America sent boats there 300 years ago.

We have 3 more years of this. Gawd knows what he will try to do in the coming years scares me and probably the rest of the world. - @SimCityAT

BTW,  the Danish has form on selling land to the Americans.  American Virgin Islands were actually Danish and a coaling station.  I've been there and it's not much to look at.   The Americans bought it for $25M. Meanwhile, Greenland is and has been covered in various US treaty arrangements.  Trump's talking points are pure nonsense.

Talking about boats landing there, what is US territory now was probably visited by Vikings many years before so there's probably enough evidence to say the US is Danish or at least Norwegian or similar.

Greenland has a tiny border with Canada so I think that gives Canada a stake as well.

There are NO readers; you have pissed off everyone. - @SimCityAT

More insults. You need to learn to control your outbursts.. and gaining some basic understanding of politics and history would be handy.

Oh gawd here we go again, Bla Bla Bla. He would have been arrested and charged if it were lies and illegal. He wasn't, so stop the boring repetitive nonsense now.
- @SimCityAT

That shows a very limited understanding of how money and politics are intertwined.

Do you really believe that justice ever comes before corruption?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 … on-inquiry

There are NO readers; you have pissed off everyone. - @SimCityAT
More insults. You need to learn to control your outbursts.. and gaining some basic understanding of politics and history would be handy.
- @Fred

Yes, I'm with SimCityAT on this.  Strong contributions and no ranting.

Driving people away is not what is required.   

We want people to contribute sensibly without being hysterical or hyperbolic.

Did I like Blair? He might have had some good things and bad ideas, just as most PMs do. But as for Iraq, it was down to misinformation given to him and Bush. That's how politics work; you might not like it, but at the time, they believed it was the right move.
You can't sit back and say oh, that was wrong, shouldn't have done that. Just for hearsay, what would you be saying if the intel was right? - @SimCityAT

My problem with Blair was Dr Kelly.  I simply do not believe he topped himself. I saw him speaking on the TV and he didn't seem to be upset or unhappy.  Just a bit nervous.  I reckon he was done in by Mossad at the behest of someone.  But who?   But I've no evidence to back that up. 

But it was very surprising his widow didn't say much but then again she will have got Dr Kelly's full pension.  I am supposing that was the pay off.

There are NO readers; you have pissed off everyone. - @SimCityAT
More insults. You need to learn to control your outbursts.. and gaining some basic understanding of politics and history would be handy.
- @Fred
Yes, I'm with SimCityAT on this. Strong contributions and no ranting.
Driving people away is not what is required.

We want people to contribute sensibly without being hysterical or hyperbolic. - @fluffy2560

I agree, but he keeps posting insults.

Both of you post politically bias misinformation based on your interests rather than the truth.

There are NO readers; you have pissed off everyone. - @SimCityAT
More insults. You need to learn to control your outbursts.. and gaining some basic understanding of politics and history would be handy.
- @Fred
Yes, I'm with SimCityAT on this. Strong contributions and no ranting.
Driving people away is not what is required.

We want people to contribute sensibly without being hysterical or hyperbolic. - @fluffy2560
I agree, but he keeps posting insults.
Both of you post politically bias misinformation based on your interests rather than the truth. - @Fred

Oh go away Fred...... Find another thread to annoy and close down?

There are NO readers; you have pissed off everyone. - @SimCityAT
More insults. You need to learn to control your outbursts.. and gaining some basic understanding of politics and history would be handy.
- @Fred
Yes, I'm with SimCityAT on this. Strong contributions and no ranting.
Driving people away is not what is required.

We want people to contribute sensibly without being hysterical or hyperbolic. - @fluffy2560
I agree, but he keeps posting insults.
Both of you post politically bias misinformation based on your interests rather than the truth. - @Fred
Oh go away Fred...... Find another thread to annoy and close down? - @SimCityAT

See. No intelligent content.

It's like Trump. He does it then claims someone else is the culprit

My true love, Donny is totally destroying America's place as the world's bully.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci … 026-01-20/

SINGAPORE, Jan 20 (Reuters) - The dollar retreated for a second day in Asian trading on Tuesday after threats from the White House towards the European Union over the future of Greenland triggered a broad selloff across U.S. stocks and government bonds.

The dollar index , which measures the greenback's strength against a basket of six currencies, slid as much as 0.2% to 98.891 - its lowest level since January 13 - as investors worried about exposure to U.S. markets.

The more losses and de-Dolorisation the quicker the massive US debt will be unservicable, and the faster they go bust.

They will no longer be able to afford their massive military,  and they will no longer be able to start wars against people who can't hit back.

There are NO readers; you have pissed off everyone. - @SimCityAT
More insults. You need to learn to control your outbursts.. and gaining some basic understanding of politics and history would be handy.
- @Fred
Yes, I'm with SimCityAT on this. Strong contributions and no ranting.
Driving people away is not what is required.

We want people to contribute sensibly without being hysterical or hyperbolic. - @fluffy2560
I agree, but he keeps posting insults.
Both of you post politically bias misinformation based on your interests rather than the truth. - @Fred

We usually post talking points brought up in the media.  We might say something about the post.  We might not.

I prefer to see wider debate and considered analysis set out logically and carefully.

I am disappointed more people are not joining in but I understand why they don't given your attempts to dominate and subvert discussions.  If this was going on in a debating chamber, you'd be ejected.

More on Trump:

Trump says UK handing over Chagos Islands sovereignty is act of 'great stupidity'

This is a breaking story. Trump and Co previously endorsed it. 

A lot of politicians were and are against handing it back. Maybe Trump is trying to boost Farage by rubbishing Starmer.

I don't think the agreement is ratified fully.  So HMG can cancel it.

And here, Epstein doesn't go away:

10-foot-tall replica of Trump’s alleged birthday message to Epstein appears on National Mall

BBC reported NORAD planes are arriving in Pituffik base. They say exercise but it could be reinforcements for an invasion. NORAD is a US-Canada treaty organisation. Denmark should be there too!

Trump is causing real world problems that will change the business map significantly, and has the potential to wipe out pension funds.

However,  fund managers tend to look for safety in volatile markets,  and that isn't US stocks and bonds at the moment.

Even if Trump's goes immediately,  the damage he's done to his country has changed the State's world position forever.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/busines … rs-5869771

NEW YORK/PARIS, Jan 20 : Global stocks were lower across the board on Tuesday, with a selloff in equities on Wall Street, Europe and Asia, amid increased market volatility after U.S. President Donald Trump threatened to reignite a trade war with Europe over Greenland

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/20/akademi … trump.html

Danish pension operator AkademikerPension said it is exiting U.S. Treasurys because of finance concerns as Denmark spars with President Donald Trump over his threats to take over Greenland.

The latter story is a tiny amount of money by US debt standards, but the selloff changes a dynamic that has generally been held dear.  US bonds are now fair game as a financial weapon in the west.

This story appears small, but it has the potential to be as big as the shift that Biden caused when he took Russia's money.

The US has never been seen as a threat to Europe,  but Trump's US is a dangerous adversary,  and the financial markets will act accordingly.

This is interesting,  but can't be called news until it's confirmed.  The credit goes to an established journalist.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/na … r-AA1UwHSX

NATO officials restrict intelligence to US over Trump threats

Story by Richard Holmes

This, if confirmed, is the second similar story I've noticed in the last few weeks.

Trump is causing real world problems that will change the business map significantly, and has the potential to wipe out pension funds.
However, fund managers tend to look for safety in volatile markets, and that isn't US stocks and bonds at the moment.
Even if Trump's goes immediately, the damage he's done to his country has changed the State's world position forever.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/busines … rs-5869771
NEW YORK/PARIS, Jan 20 : Global stocks were lower across the board on Tuesday, with a selloff in equities on Wall Street, Europe and Asia, amid increased market volatility after U.S. President Donald Trump threatened to reignite a trade war with Europe over Greenland
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/20/akademi … trump.html
Danish pension operator AkademikerPension said it is exiting U.S. Treasurys because of finance concerns as Denmark spars with President Donald Trump over his threats to take over Greenland.

The latter story is a tiny amount of money by US debt standards, but the selloff changes a dynamic that has generally been held dear. US bonds are now fair game as a financial weapon in the west.
This story appears small, but it has the potential to be as big as the shift that Biden caused when he took Russia's money.
The US has never been seen as a threat to Europe, but Trump's US is a dangerous adversary, and the financial markets will act accordingly. - @Fred

No-one needs to actually sell their US bonds.  All they have to do is spread rumours they will sell their US bonds.   That would cause a considerable problem for Trump.   

The US government relies on bond (debt) issues to funds its short term cashflow. That's not particularly unusual.   US government has to be in the bond market.   But if people have no faith in the US government,  there will be no or insufficient takers for their bonds, . That would cost him big time.   

A more amusing slap around the chops would be to sell US debt to China.  That'd be a huge nudge on the schadenfreude meter.

I didn't see the speech he made at the WH yesterday but some reports on the radio said he looked really tired and possibly unwell and was rambling.   

If SCOTUS had thrown out the tariffs yesterday, then he'd have much less to crow about after 365 days in office.   

Davos:

So TACO man has chickened out again over Greenland.   I guess it'll be sovereign base areas in the agreement with NATO countries including of course Denmark.   So he's backed out of his overwhelming demands to take the entire island.   Why did he even bother doing all that in a public forum?

I think he was facing a major revolt externally and push back and did not understand it.  But the same thing is going on as usual.  He says it's all going nicely and nothing is a failure.  But he's under serious pressure all over.   The mid-terms are looming for November.

He didn't look that sick in his speeches but he was slow moving and he confused Iceland with Greenland.   I wonder if he's operating on autopilot.  Just waffling on and on.    Who is operating the Trump puppet?  Stephen Miller?  Putin? 

Meanwhile,  the Board of Peace is just bonkers.   I note the UK is not joining in readily.  And what is Putin doing there. And Netanyahu?  WTF?

When he gets back to the USA, Epstein will be back with Maxwell due to give evidence to Congress.  She's supposedly taking the Fifth Amendment throughout.  She'll be deposed remotely and not in person.  Will we see this deposition?   She's got to be relying on Trump to help her out.  But he's not going to pardon her until he's on the verge of leaving office - that's the quid pro quo.  So she's got 3 more years in Club Fed.

@fluffy2560

He isn't very bright

He even got Greenland confused with Iceland yesterday

@fluffy2560He isn't very brightHe even got Greenland confused with Iceland yesterday - @SimCityAT

Yes, I saw that.   His riff was ice and he carried on that word into Greenland.   I reckon he's confused, possibly not dementia, but just pure tiredness.   He is nearly 80.   I think he's far too old and decrepit.  I'm 65 and recognise my limitations but he seems unable to control himself.   His legacy will be one of chaos, self-enrichment and criminality. And post-Trump, I can predict all of these people who support him being under the microscope.  Probably some will do time for their unexplained or dubious wealth.  But he'll get away with it and cheat justice either by dying or using his immunity.

Board of Peace announced -  7 member board, all of which are likely or definitely Trumpist sycophants.  Blair is still there but I think he's not going to go through with it as he's got no credibility with anyone post-Iraq.   His Middle East envoy stint did absolutely nothing.  And meanwhile, people are still dying in Gaza (11 killed yesterday).       

I reckon Trump rolled over on Greenland when he was spoken to by senior Republicans in Congress.   It's all domestic for Trump.  And he has no support in the MAGA base for Greenland interventions.

@fluffy2560

When asked by a reporter earlier this week if the board should replace the UN, Trump said that "it might".

Moreover, the members of the board have attracted controversy.

Who will ultimately join the board is still uncertain at this point. Traditional allies such as Italy have declined. Others including nations that have long had strained ties with Washington such as Belarus have accepted.

Russia was also invited but has said it's still studying the proposal. Trump claimed last night in Davos that Vladimir Putin had accepted the invitation, however.

When asked by a reporter earlier this week if the board should replace the UN, Trump said that "it might".Moreover, the members of the board have attracted controversy.Who will ultimately join the board is still uncertain at this point. Traditional allies such as Italy have declined. Others including nations that have long had strained ties with Washington such as Belarus have accepted.Russia was also invited but has said it's still studying the proposal. Trump claimed last night in Davos that Vladimir Putin had accepted the invitation, however. - @SimCityAT

Trump claims a lot of things.   

Putin might be thinking Trump is trying to scam him out of $1B.   

Interesting event if he falls for it.  Be quite funny if the Grifter in chief pulls it off and cheats Putin out of the money.

When asked by a reporter earlier this week if the board should replace the UN, Trump said that "it might".Moreover, the members of the board have attracted controversy.Who will ultimately join the board is still uncertain at this point. Traditional allies such as Italy have declined. Others including nations that have long had strained ties with Washington such as Belarus have accepted.Russia was also invited but has said it's still studying the proposal. Trump claimed last night in Davos that Vladimir Putin had accepted the invitation, however. - @SimCityAT

Trump claims a lot of things.

Putin might be thinking Trump is trying to scam him out of $1B.

Interesting event if he falls for it. Be quite funny if the Grifter in chief pulls it off and cheats Putin out of the money. - @fluffy2560

You have to read the news. The reasons for Putin joining are there IF you get past the first paragraph

Putin has agreed to join IF the money comes from frozen assets.  The rest should allow well read people to come to likely conclusions.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/fr … rcna255425

France has joined in.

Putin has already suggested he may run navy escorted convoys, something that will either stop the pirates or potentially cause something really quite unpleasant.

Given Biden started this when he removed Ukraine's democracy and NATO's eastward expansion threatened Moscow, the so called Russian threat is just propaganda,  and the rest is about oil and gas.

The real kicker for the foolish EU comes when you realise their productivity is dependent on cheap fuel from Russia,  but sanctions are taking that away.

The EU are shooting themselves in the foot, and giving away massive amounts of money to Ukraine to do so.

If they take away the threat they pose to Russia,  all the problems disappear,  but so do armaments industry and oil company profits, so Russia will stay painted as nasty.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/fr … rcna255425
France has joined in.
Putin has already suggested he may run navy escorted convoys, something that will either stop the pirates or potentially cause something really quite unpleasant.
Given Biden started this when he removed Ukraine's democracy and NATO's eastward expansion threatened Moscow, the so called Russian threat is just propaganda, and the rest is about oil and gas.
The real kicker for the foolish EU comes when you realise their productivity is dependent on cheap fuel from Russia, but sanctions are taking that away.
The EU are shooting themselves in the foot, and giving away massive amounts of money to Ukraine to do so.
If they take away the threat they pose to Russia, all the problems disappear, but so do armaments industry and oil company profits, so Russia will stay painted as nasty. - @Fred

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international … 700_4.html

You have to read the news. The reasons for Putin joining are there IF you get past the first paragraph Putin has agreed to join IF the money comes from frozen assets. The rest should allow well read people to come to likely conclusions. - @Fred

FFS, don't be so presumptuous. 

I know that of course about the frozen assets. 

Putin is no fool.

I was more interested if Putin would fall for Donny's BS.

You have to read the news. The reasons for Putin joining are there IF you get past the first paragraph Putin has agreed to join IF the money comes from frozen assets. The rest should allow well read people to come to likely conclusions.  - @Fred
FFS, don't be so presumptuous.

I know that of course about the frozen assets.

Putin is no fool.

I was more interested if Putin would fall for Donny's BS. - @fluffy2560

You assume they aren't working together. That may or may not be an error.