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Fred

This is rough, not especially well researched, and open to error.


The victim appears to have been trying to block ICE agents - That makes her political, not a bystander or someone who just happened to be there.


When her car moved forwards, the ICE agent was directly in front of her and in clear danger.


However, he seems to have fired AFTER the danger to him was past and no other ICE agents were potentially in danger as the nearest was several yards behind the car.


It looks a lot like the ICE agent fired without reasonable justification. They had her plates so they could have arrested her at a later time.

fluffy2560

This is rough, not especially well researched, and open to error.The victim appears to have been trying to block ICE agents - That makes her political, not a bystander or someone who just happened to be there.When her car moved forwards, the ICE agent was directly in front of her and in clear danger.However, he seems to have fired AFTER the danger to him was past and no other ICE agents were potentially in danger as the nearest was several yards behind the car.It looks a lot like the ICE agent fired without reasonable justification. They had her plates so they could have arrested her at a later time. - @Fred

I looked at the video and she's was no serious threat.  They told her to leave, then tried to get her out.  WTF?  The wheels were turned to the right and clearly she was going to miss the guy from multiple camera angles. Looks like unreasonable force and therefore murder.


We'll see if Federal Immunity comes into play.  How quickly is it going to be swept under the carpet?   


She lived in that street apparently.  And the people who video'd it and were interviewed were her neighbours.


And of course, she was allowed to protest against ICE.  That's her protected right.  Ignored by ICE/DJT.

Fred

I have every confidence the ICE agents were nothing short of nasty AND there was no justification for the shooting as the danger had past and she was moving away from the area.

An arrest later for driving offenses, maybe other charges if she deliberately aimed at him, might have been justified.


This video is pretty good. It clearly shows ICE shooting her when there was no further danger, and it's worth noting he put himself in danger in the first place.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/0 … -operation

The greatest story is told by the agent's 'you can't touch me' walk as he walked away from his victim's car.

fluffy2560

From Euronews:


Donald Trump intends to visit Hungary's Orbán during key election campaign


The US president sent a letter to the Hungarian PM, confirming his willingness to visit Hungary and wishing Orbán "best of luck" with the key election in April.


US President Donald Trump teased a visit to Hungary at the invitation of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán as the country readies for a crucial election in April.


I cannot see Trump turning up here making any difference to those opposed to Fidesz and Orban.   

fluffy2560

Iran:


Anti-government protests spread in Iran as authorities cut communications


• Protests that began over crippling economic conditions have swept across Iran, becoming the most serious anti-regime demonstrations in years.


• Thursday saw the biggest unrest to date, prompting authorities to cut internet access and telephone lines in Tehran and other cities. At least 45 protesters, including eight children, have been killed since the unrest broke out almost two weeks ago, Norway-based Iran Human Rights NGO reports.


My speculation.....I don't see the regime as it looks now surviving the current unrest.  Probably Khamenei will "retire" or die suddenly in harnesses with some kind of organised propaganda funeral to sway the people.  There will be promises of reform post that but nothing truly substantial.  It won't address the underlying economic conditions as they are fundamental.  I wonder if they'll dollarise or Euro-ise the economy.

Fred

Iran:Anti-government protests spread in Iran as authorities cut communications• Protests that began over crippling economic conditions have swept across Iran, becoming the most serious anti-regime demonstrations in years. - @fluffy2560

A quick history.

The UK and US removed Iran's DEMOCRATICALLY elected government in favour of a mass murdering dictator. See Operation Ajax in1953.


The US backed Shah tortured and murdered his way into holding on as absolute dictator until he was removed in 1979.


The US backed dictatorship caused the very conditions that allow extremists to thrive, and thrive they did until Ayatollah Khomeini gained power by popular demand in that year.


There went America's oil profits again, so the mass murdering US installed dictator was painted as the nice guy kicked out of his country by religious nutters. Whilst I suppose there's a lot of truth in that point of view, the US tend not to admit they laid the seeds that allowed the Islamic Republic to come into existence.


There are now riots in Iran, this being started by difficult condition the US tends not to mention its sanction are mostly responsible for.

The Iranian government claim that Israel and the US are behind the riots - a claim I find easy to accept as likely to be true given the we know CIA spooks have done exactly that in several countries, including 1953 Iran


Once again, we see the US causing death, destruction, and misery for attempts at oil grabs.

fluffy2560

Iran:....The Iranian government claim that Israel and the US are behind the riots - a claim I find easy to accept as likely to be true given the we know CIA spooks have done exactly that in several countries, including 1953 IranOnce again, we see the US causing death, destruction, and misery for attempts at oil grabs. - @Fred



Don't need that history.  It's not interesting. We all know what went on.  Anyone over about 60 knows as we lived in those times.


What's your balanced analysis of today's events or in the near (weeks) term? 


Regime caves or survives? 


Make it about today, not the mid-1970s.

Fred

Iran:....The Iranian government claim that Israel and the US are behind the riots - a claim I find easy to accept as likely to be true given the we know CIA spooks have done exactly that in several countries, including 1953 IranOnce again, we see the US causing death, destruction, and misery for attempts at oil grabs. - @FredDon't need that history. It's not interesting. We all know what went on. Anyone over about 60 knows as we lived in those times. What's your balanced analysis of today's events or in the near (weeks) term? Regime caves or survives? Make it about today, not the mid-1970s. - @fluffy2560

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past ~ Orwell


The US needs us to forget their past crimes so we can't properly understand the blind stupidy of today's crimes in Venezuela, and the future crimes they are planning.

Fred

Trump is famous for lies, pushing the worst case in order to get deals, and massive idiocy.

That means his latest threats have to be taken seriously, just in case he's actually stupid enough to follow through.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … hite-house


Trump ramps up Greenland threats and says US will intervene ‘whether they like it or not’
US president doubled down on threats to acquire territory at a White House meeting with oil and gas executives


I wonder if the best bet would be as I suggested earlier - Countries each send a regiment there under Denmark's control.  That way, any attack on Greenland is an attack on every participant Country.  Trump seems to care little about NATO, but the idea of a US / Europe war might just put him off.

However, before any of that, all Countries should cancel all orders for US weapons systems, and find alternatives to US oil and gas supplies.

That rogue nation really should be isolated as quickly as possible.

Fred

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7yv4524gqo


This new video clearly shows the ICE agent was not in danger when he fired the fatal round.

Aidan in HCMC

What to make of this? Edited?

Fred

What to make of this? Edited? - @Aidan in HCMC

I can't watch it without signing into a dodgy site

Edit - It was deleted by someone

fluffy2560

What to make of this? Edited? - @Aidan in HCMC

I looked at it.  I wondered if there was any AI in it.  Have to wait for some verification.


Meanwhile, I cannot believe how Trump and Co are spinning it.


I wonder when they (ICE Barbie etc) are going to cave on demands for murder charges?

fluffy2560

Iran:....The Iranian government claim that Israel and the US are behind the riots - a claim I find easy to accept as likely to be true given the we know CIA spooks have done exactly that in several countries, including 1953 IranOnce again, we see the US causing death, destruction, and misery for attempts at oil grabs. - @FredDon't need that history. It's not interesting. We all know what went on. Anyone over about 60 knows as we lived in those times. What's your balanced analysis of today's events or in the near (weeks) term? Regime caves or survives? Make it about today, not the mid-1970s. - @fluffy2560Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past ~ OrwellThe US needs us to forget their past crimes so we can't properly understand the blind stupidy of today's crimes in Venezuela, and the future crimes they are planning. - @Fred

Of course, but don't rehash the past as it's pointless and adds almost nothing.   


It's what is going to happen now which is important.


What's going in Iran needs some scenarios in analysis:


  1. Regime fights back and kills thousands of protestors worsening situation
  2. Ayatollah resigns or dies by cruise missile or lead poisoning
  3. Popular revolution causes regime to fail and chaos ensues
  4. IRGC/Basij etc disbands or becomes "warlords" in civil war  (current regime has 600K armed personnel)
  5. Breakup (Kurdish areas, others, declare independence, e.g. Iranian Balochistan with Pakistan/Afghanistan involved).
  6. Shah's son returns to act as intermediary/temporary head of unity government
  7. Vaguely democratic government returns
  8. Sanctions removed, Iranian oil flows.

Marilyn Tassy

2026 has started out on a bad note.

Way too much insanity all at once.


On one had that poor women in Minn. should of just stopped her car and not given any excuse for that ICE agent to act on her.On the other hand, he never should of been back to work if he was so afraid of cars hitting him as he claims happened last year.

Taking someone,s life like that is horrible.I hope he is fired at the least.

Cops are out of control. In the 70s the few times I had contact with police as a young women, they were always super cool with me.

Now, their training or something is inhumane.

In country jail a couple months back my brothers cell mate, a 65 year old Mexican man needed CPR. Help was called but the guards just stood over him and said let the Fer die!

He thankfully was taken to the hospital and jail medical staff started CPR but he was lucky to not have passed away waiting.

What sort of people say, let the Fer die and watch??

My brother who has throat damage due to being on life support with tubes down his throat was chocking on some hard roll in prison just a month or so ago. 10 mins to down your terrible food. He tried to drink some milk to get the roll down but his airway was partly blocked. Took 20 mins for medical help to get to him. By then it had gone down on it,s own.

I guess you could say in prison they serve, killer meals!

IDK what the agenda is but it does not seem bright.

So many people in the US and perhaps elsewhere living off credit cards and losing jobs.

Is it planned to ruin everyone or what?

Perhaps social credit is coming and those who owe will owe the system?

I keep an eye on how much they are paying on average in NV for machinist jobs.

My husband is too old to do that intense job these days, even if he says he can do it.

Finally after years of watching they have a open slot for a master machinist at the USAF base, pays  6 figures a year with health care.

Good luck to them to find anyone qualified these days.They want someone with years of skills and no one these days knows anything about that trade. Who is going to spend over a decade learning these days, this world everyone wants to be rich overnight on U tube, not actual work. The requirements for that job  are skills for 3 people really they want so much for so little.

I swear if we were 20 years younger, now would be the time to reopen a machine shop. War is defo coming and they are prepping for it.

fluffy2560

2026 has started out on a bad note.Way too much insanity all at once.On one had that poor women in Minn. should of just stopped her car and not given any excuse for that ICE agent to act on her.On the other hand, he never should of been back to work if he was so afraid of cars hitting him as he claims happened last year.Taking someone,s life like that is horrible.I hope he is fired at the least.Cops are out of control. In the 70s the few times I had contact with police as a young women, they were always super cool with me.Now, their training or something is inhumane.In country jail a couple months back my brothers cell mate, a 65 year old Mexican man needed CPR. Help was called but the guards just stood over him and said let the Fer die!He thankfully was taken to the hospital and jail medical staff started CPR but he was lucky to not have passed away waiting.What sort of people say, let the Fer die and watch??My brother who has throat damage due to being on life support with tubes down his throat was chocking on some hard roll in prison just a month or so ago. 10 mins to down your terrible food. He tried to drink some milk to get the roll down but his airway was partly blocked. Took 20 mins for medical help to get to him. By then it had gone down on it,s own.I guess you could say in prison they serve, killer meals!IDK what the agenda is but it does not seem bright.So many people in the US and perhaps elsewhere living off credit cards and losing jobs.Is it planned to ruin everyone or what?Perhaps social credit is coming and those who owe will owe the system?I keep an eye on how much they are paying on average in NV for machinist jobs.My husband is too old to do that intense job these days, even if he says he can do it.Finally after years of watching they have a open slot for a master machinist at the USAF base, pays 6 figures a year with health care.Good luck to them to find anyone qualified these days.They want someone with years of skills and no one these days knows anything about that trade. Who is going to spend over a decade learning these days, this world everyone wants to be rich overnight on U tube, not actual work. The requirements for that job are skills for 3 people really they want so much for so little.I swear if we were 20 years younger, now would be the time to reopen a machine shop. War is defo coming and they are prepping for it. - @Marilyn Tassy

It's only been one year with Trump at the helm.  I do not know if there's an element of buyer's regret.   Some people must be kicking themselves for voting for the guy.  His latest ramblings are just dreadful.  I think he's not riffing, these are his internal thoughts, spoken aloud.  Now we know for sure.  Blowing your own Trump(et) like he is is going to lead to one person rule.     


SCOTUS didn't publish its tariffs decision on Friday so that's to come.  Trump says he doesn't recognise the word Affordability.  He's about to find out if SCOTUS rules against him as all the lower courts have done.


And there are moves against Barbie Bondi for screwing up the Epstein release - as AG, she should know she has to obey the law.  There was a vote on Affordable Care Act and some Republicans voted for it to be brought back.  Hope it works out for those who will become uninsured.  But of course, it's messing about around the edges - they need to create a decent national scheme.  But US people confuse social medicine with socialism.  That's kind of stupid.


I saw Musk is bleating  about freedom of speech in the UK because he wants idiots to be free to sexualise children and undress women.  All in the name of free speech - a usual trope launched by him.  Calling my neighbour the N word is allowed in Musk's world.  There have to be some standards of human behaviour in order to maintain community.   That Musk guy needs to be in a mental hospital as clearly he's mentally toxic and dangerous views. I wouldn't be surprised if X is banned in the UK.  Fine, I don't care for it and I don't care for him.   He won't be missed if he goes to Mars.  Perhaps he'll get kidney failure by the time he arrives - that's a result of radiation.  There were reports that multiple specialists say it's not feasible to go to Mars.  Hence possibly the Tesla robots as avatars.   Even the robots will suffer from "radiation poisoning" without special manufacturing/protection.


As for war, yes, it's coming.  And I am pretty sure Trump will do nothing to protect Europe.  That said, he had to use the UK to capture the Russian flagged oil tanker.  And there are 1000s of US military personnel in Europe. If NATO falls apart, those bases will have to be gone.  But Europe has never been ready and it needs to be ready yesterday.  Big failure.  Perhaps the US personnel will have to remain in place "protected" by local forces. Withdrawal from NATO will take at least 1 year and require approval in Congress.  I cannot see that happening.  Congress already wants to reign in  Trump over Venezuela.


Not sure about machine shops but as I've said, I've been monitoring defence stocks.  If there was a place to be with investments, it's there.  The other places to be are natural resources (mining) and banking (financing) as it's all in the same supply chain.   That sector is hot.  Some stocks have doubled in value in just a few months.


I hope your bro gets better treatment.  Sounds appalling.  Everyone in jail should know how to do CPR. Even the inmates.


I read cops only get a few months of training in some locations.  I watched videos of the shooting of Renee Good and the guy took his gun out immediately and shot her dead for no good reason.  They could have stepped back and let her leave and it would be all defused.  Minimum the guy needs to be in jail for negligent homicide or manslaughter and ICE needs to pay compensation to Renee's wife and kids.  I can see a lawsuit very soon.  Remember the murder of George Floyd!

Marilyn Tassy

Hate to sound all Biblical but it was written.

End times are here.

Trump is turning out to be yet another nightmare of a President.

My hubby keeps saying we should sell out and skip town, back to the US. He has been saying that since we got here.

I honestly do not think it matters at all where anyone is located.

If the SHTF nowhere is safe.

Perhaps some places will feel the impact sooner then others but in the end, what does it matter where you are?Cops, well ,again not sure how these newbies are trained but in the past I never had issue with them.

Perhaps I am protected as I tend to stick to the rules?

The deal is, the 65 year old Mexican man who needed CPR was not even sentenced yet as he was just in county jail.

In that case anyone can be abused by the police.

SimCityAT

What to make of this? Edited? - @Aidan in HCMC
I can't watch it without signing into a dodgy site
Edit - It was deleted by someone - @Fred

Talking rubbish again

Fred

What to make of this? Edited? - @Aidan in HCMC
I can't watch it without signing into a dodgy site
Edit - It was deleted by someone  - @Fred
Talking rubbish again
- @SimCityAT

Not really - it was shown as deleted content when I first posted, and X wouldn't allow access without signing up.

I have no idea why that should be as I dislike the moronic rubbish that most of social media is.

However, now I have seen it, it's the same video I linked to some way back in the thread.

SimCityAT

What to make of this? Edited? - @Aidan in HCMC
I can't watch it without signing into a dodgy site
Edit - It was deleted by someone - @Fred
Talking rubbish again
- @SimCityAT
Not really - it was shown as deleted content when I first posted, and X wouldn't allow access without signing up.
I have no idea why that should be as I dislike the moronic rubbish that most of social media is.
However, now I have seen it, it's the same video I linked to some way back in the thread. - @Fred

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SimCityAT

What to make of this? Edited? - @Aidan in HCMC

America is Nazi Germany now, with ICE doing the same as the SS.

fluffy2560

What to make of this? Edited? - @Aidan in HCMC I can't watch it without signing into a dodgy siteEdit - It was deleted by someone - @Fred Talking rubbish again  - @SimCityAT Not really - it was shown as deleted content when I first posted, and X wouldn't allow access without signing up.I have no idea why that should be as I dislike the moronic rubbish that most of social media is. However, now I have seen it, it's the same video I linked to some way back in the thread. - @Fred - @SimCityAT

The video is available on many outlets like CNN.  And no sign up.   I wonder how they got hold of it.  Was it leaked or did ICE release it? Seems to have been acquired.  I reckon the shooter is going to go down for that.  For murder.


I saw an interview with ex-police chiefs and ex-FBI investigators.  They all said Border Patrol officers should not be used in urban environments and the shooter was in the wrong place for that kind of stop.  It was all down to incorrect training and inability to judge the situation.


What Trump and Co will do is brush it under the carpet or kick it down the road until it's no longer in the public consciousness.   In the mean time, Renee's wife will sue ICE and they'll come to a settlement. And an NDA.

Fred

What to make of this? Edited? - @Aidan in HCMC
America is Nazi Germany now, with ICE doing the same as the SS. - @SimCityAT

They're rounding up Jews, murdering gypsies, and euthanizing disabled people?

That or you're talking rubbish.

fluffy2560

What to make of this? Edited? - @Aidan in HCMCAmerica is Nazi Germany now, with ICE doing the same as the SS. - @SimCityAT They're rounding up Jews, murdering gypsies, and euthanizing disabled people?That or you're talking rubbish. - @Fred


No, Fred. SimCityAT is correct.


You can Google it yourself.


I read earlier today there have been various opinion pieces in the media about the US government acting like Nazis and even  calling themselves Nazis. 


I read one on MS NOW when discussing Shady Vance's comments on wanting ICE to go door to door looking for illegal immigrants


Obviously a next step is for foreigners in the USA to wear badges showing their immigration status and thereby giving l-ICE-nse (see what I did there) to victimise and murder people (more than they do now).   


These are the apparent instincts of the Trump administration. We know how it started in Germany and we know where it went.   All you need is to look a bit different (cf. darker), perhaps not speak English too well and hang around in the wrong places.  Then you too can have a free trip to El Salvador.


There are other media pieces saying similar things.

Fred

@Fred
No, Fred. SimCityAT is correct.

You can Google it - @fluffy2560

Depending on how busy I am, I read 5 to 20 'newspapers' from around the world every day.

if I see a big international story, I read it in outlets from the 2 countries concerned,  plus press from allied nations.

If it's an internal affair, I read it on media from both political sides.


That means most people have to google what I know.


As for the silly statement about ICE doing what the nazis did, it simply isn't true.

That doesn't mean they don't want to open gas chambers and mass murder their own citizens,  but they aren't doing so at the moment.

If they start, I'll join you in equating them to the SS. Until then, saying it a pointless bit of rubbish.

ICE are very clearly being given the freedom to overstep civilised norms,  and they do round up US citizens that aren't the correct colour, but their aim remains illegal immigrants at the moment. They, I understand, release captured US citizens at this point in time.

They do not kill them as a general rule, but I'm pretty sure quite a few on the political right would love to start building 'showers'.


It should be noted that illegal immigrants are criminals and have no right to live in the US. I have no issues with criminals being deported without appeal as they are obviously guilty of breaking immigration law, but it must be done in a reasonable way. ICE use tactics that are designed to use fear of violence as a weapon, so reasonable people can't support their actions.

In other words, I fully support the US government in their desire to get rid of illegal immigrants,  but not the way they are doing it.

Legal immigration is a generally good thing for the host country, but it has to be controlled in a proper manner.

The rise of the US (and UK) far right is being assisted by mass illegal immigration that is allowed, even encouraged, by silly far left fools. Both the extreme left and extreme right throw away common sense in favour of political ideology - They share a common stupidity.


As for self-proclaimed nazis in the US government,  the numbers seem to be pretty limited. Perhaps you would like to name a few.


ICE isn't the SS or Gestapo (yet), so it would be better to focus on reality rather than spew emotive balderdash.

fluffy2560

@FredNo, Fred. SimCityAT is correct. You can Google it - @fluffy2560Depending on how busy I am, I read 5 to 20 'newspapers' from around the world every day.if I see a big international story, I read it in outlets from the 2 countries concerned, plus press from allied nations.If it's an internal affair, I read it on media from both political sides.That means most people have to google what I know.As for the silly statement about ICE doing what the nazis did, it simply isn't true. That doesn't mean they don't want to open gas chambers and mass murder their own citizens, but they aren't doing so at the moment. If they start, I'll join you in equating them to the SS. Until then, saying it a pointless bit of rubbish.ICE are very clearly being given the freedom to overstep civilised norms, and they do round up US citizens that aren't the correct colour, but their aim remains illegal immigrants at the moment. They, I understand, release captured US citizens at this point in time. They do not kill them as a general rule, but I'm pretty sure quite a few on the political right would love to start building 'showers'.It should be noted that illegal immigrants are criminals and have no right to live in the US. I have no issues with criminals being deported without appeal as they are obviously guilty of breaking immigration law, but it must be done in a reasonable way. ICE use tactics that are designed to use fear of violence as a weapon, so reasonable people can't support their actions.In other words, I fully support the US government in their desire to get rid of illegal immigrants, but not the way they are doing it. Legal immigration is a generally good thing for the host country, but it has to be controlled in a proper manner. The rise of the US (and UK) far right is being assisted by mass illegal immigration that is allowed, even encouraged, by silly far left fools. Both the extreme left and extreme right throw away common sense in favour of political ideology - They share a common stupidity. As for self-proclaimed nazis in the US government, the numbers seem to be pretty limited. Perhaps you would like to name a few.ICE isn't the SS or Gestapo (yet), so it would be better to focus on reality rather than spew emotive balderdash. - @Fred


During a Fox News interview that aired on Wednesday, Vance said he expects to see “deportation numbers ramp up as we get more and more people online, working for ICE, going door to door and making sure that if you’re an illegal alien, you’ve got to get out of this country.”


From the horse's mouth.


QED.

Fred

During a Fox News interview that aired on Wednesday, Vance said he expects to see “deportation numbers ramp up as we get more and more people online, working for ICE, going door to door and making sure that if you’re an illegal alien, you’ve got to get out of this country.”From the horse's mouth.QED. - @fluffy2560

I read that, but where are the gas chambers for US citizens?

Removing illegal immigrants is not a crime, but illegal immigration is. Vance can't be faulted for his words.

I'm sure a number in the US are wannabe nazis, and I'd be willing to bet a good few in ICE fancy themselves in Waffen-SS uniforms, but they aren't there just yet.

These who are nazis in their head are far too cowardly to admit it.

fluffy2560

I read that, but where are the gas chambers for US citizens? Removing illegal immigrants is not a crime, but illegal immigration is. Vance can't be faulted for his words.I'm sure a number in the US are wannabe nazis, and I'd be willing to bet a good few in ICE fancy themselves in Waffen-SS uniforms, but they aren't there just yet. These who are nazis in their head are far too cowardly to admit it. - @Fred

Step-by-Step, that's how it went before.  A bit here and a bit there incrementally.   If you haven't visited a concentration camp, you really should.  It's mind numbingly terrible - from Germany to Cambodia and even Bosnia. Just infamy.


Banging on doors without probable cause, putting the jackboot on ICE and sticking it in people's doors, and suspending habeas corpus would be inevitable going door to door.  It means suspending a lot of the legal protections that currently exist.  The laws now apply to anyone in the borders, even illegal immigrants.  How could it be otherwise?


They already shoot US citizens.  And deem it acceptable.  The latest one isn't the only one.  Others were shot by ICE before and they were US citizens.  You can Google it. Marimar Martinez was shot multiple times by ICE but survived. And she was a US citizen. 


Maybe the three arms of the US government should do their job but those in the executive seem undeterred by legality of their actions knowing - it would seem - they face no sanction while Trump is running the circus for the other clowns.  He's chief clown immune from answering for his official acts.  The others under him are not.  They should think about that before they act.

Fred

a concentration camp, you really should. It's mind numbingly terrible -

I see you have visited several

Fred

Banging on doors without probable cause, - @fluffy2560

I think the probable cause is they are illegally in a foreign country.

That is a crime that deserves deportation.

Fred

a concentration camp,  putting the jackboot - @flfluffy256


Emotional words for things that don't exist.

Your argument is based on images and scare tactics rather than facts.

It's very common when people don't have a valid position or make obviously false claims.

The irony is you and Trump use the same methods.

It would be funny if it wasn't pathetic.

fluffy2560

a concentration camp, you really should. It's mind numbingly terrible -I see you have visited several - @Fred


Yes, I have.  S-21 in Phnom Penh was the worst.


Visits to these places should be compulsory.

fluffy2560

a concentration camp, putting the jackboot - @flfluffy256
Emotional words for things that don't exist.
Your argument is based on images and scare tactics rather than facts.
It's very common when people don't have a valid position or make obviously false claims.
The irony is you and Trump use the same methods.
It would be funny if it wasn't pathetic. - @Fred

Ever heard the phrase "sleepwalking into dictatorship"?


and


"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"


Think about that for a bit

fluffy2560

Nobel Institute says Peace Prize cannot be transferred after Machado suggestion


The Norwegian Nobel Institute said the Nobel Peace Prize cannot be transferred, shared, or revoked, following remarks by Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado suggesting she might give her 2025 award to US President Donald Trump.

Fred

a concentration camp, you really should. It's mind numbingly terrible -I see you have visited several - @Fred
Yes, I have. S-21 in Phnom Penh was the worst.

Visits to these places should be compulsory. - @fluffy2560

I don't want my mind as numbed as you claim yours is. With the evidence in the way you post, I think you're right.

Fred

a concentration camp, putting the jackboot - @flfluffy256
Emotional words for things that don't exist.
Your argument is based on images and scare tactics rather than facts.
It's very common when people don't have a valid position or make obviously false claims.
The irony is you and Trump use the same methods.
It would be funny if it wasn't pathetic.  - @Fred
Ever heard the phrase "sleepwalking into dictatorship"?
and

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

Think about that for a bit - @fluffy2560

Sleepwalking?

It's kind of obvious to most that Trump wants to be a far right wing dictator.

My point is simply that, if you have to lie in order to make your point (and you do), your point is a waste of time.

fluffy2560

ICE documents reveal plan to hold 80,000 immigrants in warehouses


The Trump administration is seeking contractors to help it overhaul the United States’ immigrant detention system in a plan that includes renovating industrial warehouses to hold more than 80,000 immigrant detainees at a time, according to a draft solicitation reviewed by The Washington Post.


Kind of reminds me of internment camps.  If you have not heard George Takei's (Sulu in Star Trek) personal account of internment as a Japanese American, it's rather moving.  It's probably available in YT as there's a graphic novel describing his experiences. I heard it in a podcast some years ago but I don't have a link. George Takei is quite a guy and a good story teller. I recommend listening to it. 

SimCityAT

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH72poFX08A

fluffy2560

Just when you thought it couldn't get worsehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH72poFX08A - @SimCityAT

They are trying to reign him in a bit in Congress after Venezuela BUT it's hardly a major revolt amongst Republicans.


I think he'll not invade.  He doesn't need to.  He can just lower the Danish flag at the northern base and increase the troops there to "defend" it.  Then he'll just say it's now sovereign territory. Job effectively done.   If he does do that, any US civilians elsewhere in Greenland would surely have to be ejected.  I wonder if the US base commander would refuse to do it?  Without authorisation from Congress, surely it would be an illegal move.


NATO needs to get in there now.  There are potential bases in the East of Greenland that could be revived or temporary bases could be created.  There are unused airfields there apparently.


I tend to think this is distraction from Epstein.  Rubio said it was a negotiating tactic.  For what though?


BTW, that guy commenting on the Daily Mail article re Trump and the generals looks about 12.

Fred

https://united24media.com/latest-news/r … -one-14898


The Russians have taken my advice and are operating escorted convoys to deter US pirate attacks.

The question is now about the level of Trump's stupidity.