International Relations
Perhaps you could comment on the Russian style law that was modelled on the US law.
Why is it Russian, not American? - @Fred
It's what the news reporting site(s) called it. I only put the link in and copied the headline. I always do that - those are not my words.
You can read the article(s) if you want and form an opinion from there. I noted two sources that had published the story quickly -within an hour of each other.
There's additional reporting on Reuters which is where they must have got the original reporting text from. Reuters is highly trusted obviously as an objective newswire.
There are no laws like the proposed one elsewhere in the EU. Not that I know of anyway.
.....The law is not just a good idea, it's essential to protect that country from the CIA. - @Fred
Ok, I'm completely convinced by your highly persuasive argument that everything is a CIA plot.
Now does anyone else here have something truly interesting and analytical to say about this proposed legislation? - @fluffy2560
See the links - one left wing group admitting to working for the US in its own website - @Fred
ZZzz.....got other stuff to do.....Zzz.....
. - @SimCityAT
Yet another highly intelligent comment.
.....The law is not just a good idea, it's essential to protect that country from the CIA. - @FredOk, I'm completely convinced by your highly persuasive argument that everything is a CIA plot.Now does anyone else here have something truly interesting and analytical to say about this proposed legislation? - @fluffy2560See the links - one left wing group admitting to working for the US in its own website - @FredZZzz.....got other stuff to do.....Zzz..... - @fluffy2560
Ah, the Trump style, "lar lar lar, I can't hear the truth" message.
You spout propaganda, commonly bigoted propaganda, but cry to mummy when called out.
At the end of the day, the US is trying to bend public opinion in a number of countries- see the quote from the Indonesian group that openly admits it - but you don't want to know because you prefer blind hate over demonstrable fact.
.....The law is not just a good idea, it's essential to protect that country from the CIA. - @FredOk, I'm completely convinced by your highly persuasive argument that everything is a CIA plot.Now does anyone else here have something truly interesting and analytical to say about this proposed legislation? - @fluffy2560See the links - one left wing group admitting to working for the US in its own website - @FredZZzz.....got other stuff to do.....Zzz..... - @fluffy2560
Ah, the Trump style, "lar lar lar, I can't hear the truth" message.
You spout propaganda, commonly bigoted propaganda, but cry to mummy when called out.
At the end of the day, the US is trying to bend public opinion in a number of countries- see the quote from the Indonesian group that openly admits it - but you don't want to know because you prefer blind hate over demonstrable fact. - @Fred
Go and seek help! Seriously.
Ah, the Trump style, "lar lar lar, I can't hear the truth" message.You spout propaganda, commonly bigoted propaganda, but cry to mummy when called out.At the end of the day, the US is trying to bend public opinion in a number of countries- see the quote from the Indonesian group that openly admits it - but you don't want to know because you prefer blind hate over demonstrable fact. - @Fred
Yes, Fred. I totally agree with you about everything. It's all a conspiracy by the CIA and it's all my fault for being suckered into it. I can see you are here to put us all straight.
I really don't know how I managed to get by day to day without having you watch out for me from that hotbed of intellectual knowledge located in darkest Indonesia. A country known for it's magnificence and sambal. It's a privilege to have my own private bodyguard looking over my shoulder to make sure I don't stray off into having bad thoughts.
I should say this is a thread about Hungary. If you know something more than we who live here know about the country, please do let us all know. We know you won't hold back. We need to know. We'll listen intently.
BTW, my Mummy is dead unfortunately. But your mother too! I can only imagine how proud she is or was that you're still living in her metaphorical basement listening to Iron Maiden (baby).
Actually, come to think of it, if you were listening to Iron Maiden, I'd give you a few more credibility points in the music category.
Meanwhile, I think I'll have a go at spray painting my cupboard. It's the 2nd coat. It's a bit windy but I'll risk it. That was my other thing to do.
The issue here is spouting propaganda.
You post stuff that is weak in facts at best, is spun out of all reality, and is sometimes a downright lie.
The 'Russian' law you mention is actually based on a WWII era US law that requires foreign agents to register their interests. FARA.
Many countries need such a law in order to get some control over foreign agents acting against them.
Hungary has such an issue, as does Indonesia (I posted a link to one group who openly admit this on their own site).
Hungary may or may not have nice politicians, but the subject is US interference, and that is an absolutely proven thing in Indonesia, and highly likely in many other countries.
Many years ago we were sold the WMD lie that saw the end of a dictator in Iraq, but opened the way for extremist groups all over the region ... and oil deals ... and arms sales.
Do you really want to assist in spreading political spin of the sort that led to thousands of deaths along with utter misery in the middle east?
The issue here is spouting propaganda.You post stuff that is weak in facts at best, is spun out of all reality, and is sometimes a downright lie.The 'Russian' law you mention is actually based on a WWII era US law that requires foreign agents to register their interests. FARA.Many countries need such a law in order to get some control over foreign agents acting against them.Hungary has such an issue, as does Indonesia (I posted a link to one group who openly admit this on their own site).Hungary may or may not have nice politicians, but the subject is US interference, and that is an absolutely proven thing in Indonesia, and highly likely in many other countries.Many years ago we were sold the WMD lie that saw the end of a dictator in Iraq, but opened the way for extremist groups all over the region ... and oil deals ... and arms sales.Do you really want to assist in spreading political spin of the sort that led to thousands of deaths along with utter misery in the middle east? - @Fred
Blah-blah, another TLDR job. I only posted what was directly stated in the mainstream media.
And besides, I've got some other things to do so I'm not going to play today unless it's interesting and directly about today's current affairs involving Hungary, the UK, the EU or maybe the US.
And you've got to tidy your Mum's basement and put away your Hustler magazines before she gets home from working at the Co-Op.
They are dropping like flies..... In just 2 weeks another one has resigned. This is a total of 3 by-elections coming.
They are dropping like flies..... In just 2 weeks another one has resigned. This is a total of 3 by-elections coming.
https://www.itv.com/news/central/2025-0 … media-post - @SimCityAT
It's the lack of vetting and the push to get seats at any cost. Extremism is forgotten. Nigel will be hopeless in power. It's so much easier to stand on the sidelines jeering. But to be in the hot seat is a really tough job.
I had an argument with a supporter who wanted to drown immigrants at Dover. I said, if that's your opinion, why aren't you down at the seaside doing the "work" yourself? Of course, no-one really wants to do that except the loopiest of candidates.
Very few people would actually be prepared to take physical action themselves. So they demand the outsource murder to the armed forces.
Meanwhile, I wonder how Trump is going to find sufficient sycophants to double up on jobs? Rubio has already got something like 4 jobs. And others have 2 or 3. It's going to come down to just a handful of people doing all the jobs of the cabinet.
@fluffy2560
Nigel is always in America, it's like Richard Tice he spends half the time in Dubai where is girlfriend lives full time (Isabel Oakeshott) funny pair, totally against immigration and go and live in another country.
@fluffy2560
Nigel is always in America, it's like Richard Tice he spends half the time in Dubai where is girlfriend lives full time (Isabel Oakeshott) funny pair, totally against immigration and go and live in another country. - @SimCityAT
Yes, the Members for Washington DC and Dubai. Moronic.
The big issue today at SCOTUS is the Birthright citizenship EO issued by Trump.
Obviously I'm not an American but the arguments seem to clear that Trump's EO is blatantly unconstitutional.
However the argument of today is if universal orders have weight across the country, not birthright citizenship per se. It'll be chaos if the law is not applied consistently across the country. Even the most daft MAGA lawyer knows that.
I do have some experience of inconsistent law being applied in Russia. It's possible there to go to different Republics and "forum shop" for the right answer which then applies across the entire country. Out of control craziness.
Trump Bores UAE Businessmen About Sean Duffy & Lee Greenwood Cameos in Qatar | The Daily Show - @SimCityAT
I just couldn't take it. He's clearly not all there.
In Trump 1.0, he apparently never read the briefings written for him by his advisors. We could tell but he was better at disguising it.
And in Trump 2.0, he's probably sitting in his office in some kind of trance. His riffing and ad-libbing just doesn't work any more.
I suppose he thought, "I'm nearly 78, I'll be into my 80s by the time I've finished screwing things up for everyone and then so what? There's nothing anyone can do to me. I won't be responsible because I've got dementia and won't remember anything. The grim reaper will come and I'll be off the hook for all the suffering and pain I've caused".
Meanwhile, there's a protest today in Budapest over the manipulation of the media and regulator (area of the Novotel). Mrs F is considering joining in. She was so upset this morning over Orban's constant power grabbing. She says he's going to eliminate any semblance or pretence of press freedom.
As a follow up on the demonstration alert:
MEPs protest Hungary’s Budapest Pride ban
According to the article, Pride will take place 28 June with MEPs in attendance.
It looks like there's going to be a direct confrontation with the government.
Also this related one:
LGBTQ+ American travellers are looking to Europe for safer and more inclusive holidays
You really couldn't make this shit up.....
Trump officials reportedly consider TV gameshow with US citizenship as prize
You really couldn't make this shit up.....Trump officials reportedly consider TV gameshow with US citizenship as prize - @SimCityAT
Blimey, that's absolutely off the wall.
Presumably if a wannabe immigrant doesn't win, they get deported to an El Salvador prison.
Or 2nd prize is US citizenship and 1st prize is Canadian citizenship or anywhere else civilised.
Makes you wonder if the US government is actually a simulation or just one big reality show and suddenly there will be a reveal and Blofeld is behind it.
Trump says two-hour call with Putin was 'excellent' - as he talks up trade with Russia after war concludes - @SimCityAT
Looks again like Trump being played like a fiddle and he falls for it every time.
Putin must be laughing all the way to Donetsk.
Perhaps the issue with Trump is that he cannot accept he's being had. His belief system is all about himself. Look at the Biden-Trump election. He refused to accept it. And he still doesn't accept it. If Putin told him the sky was purple, Trump would believe him despite looking out of his own window.
Beggars belief.
I'm wondering if the strong international criticism of Israel over their policies in Gaza is going to actually do anything to change their minds.
I'm prompted this morning by reading about the enormous amount of food aid sitting in USAID warehouses which may expire in early July and will be turned potentially into animal feed or will be incinerated. USAID had muscle to do good (and bad) works but generally well intentioned. I would of thought airlifting it to Gaza or Sudan or anywhere else has to be a good thing. As for the DOGE appointed Jeremy Lewin, a 28 year old appointed to dismantle USAID, reports on news media say he's he's well short in the empathy department. Now the US is faced with a decision - enjoin with Israel on running a concentration camp or actually try and support the Palestinians. It takes me back to the Sri Lankan government destroying the Tamil Tigers. They pushed on, destroyed them and worried about the consequences afterwards. I don't think anyone really remembers the brutality of those times. I am sure the government argument would be it was necessary to bring it to an end one way or the other.
It seems also Trump has deported Asian people to South Sudan despite a Federal court order not to deport them. What is the punishment for ignoring an order? Arrest members of the US government. Oddly, it seems the US government has been order to maintain control over the deportees now they are in South Sudan. It could mean they are going to be held on the plane until the issue is resolved. Quite possibly, they could be returned to the USA for hearings.
Kristi Noem showed what she doesn't know by getting the definition of habeus corpus wrong. You'd think she'd know having been a lawmaker previously. It was stunningly telling. She's too busy cosplaying ICE agent in pictures from far away detention centres.
Meanwhile, I noted RFE (Radio Free Europe) is getting emergency funding of a few million EUR from the EU. But it will only cover Europe and not other continents. I never listened to it myself but I did on occasion listen to PBS and NPR - particularly podcasts. Those institutions are also being dismantled.
As I have predicted many times
China is selling off US debt
https://www.ft.com/content/894c1ce3-23c … 2fff034ff2
The US Dollar is loosing its position as the global currency. It was used for over 70% of world trade in 2000, but has crashed to just above 50% this year.
and the US credit rating is falling
https://ratings.moodys.com/ratings-news/443154
US hegemony as we know it is dying fast, and that's very bad news for countries such as Japan and the UK that are holding on to the US as an ally.
They risk their US debt and Dollar holdings becoming worthless as the American economy collapses under the weight of years of epic stupidity.
The British empire took many years to fall from its position of power, but that was back when communications were slow and information was limited.
This is the internet age, so I give the US five years at most.
As I have predicted many timesChina is selling off US debthttps://www.ft.com/content/894c1ce3-23c … 2fff034ff2The US Dollar is loosing its position as the global currency. It was used for over 70% of world trade in 2000, but has crashed to just above 50% this year.and the US credit rating is fallinghttps://ratings.moodys.com/ratings-news/443154US hegemony as we know it is dying fast, and that's very bad news for countries such as Japan and the UK that are holding on to the US as an ally.They risk their US debt and Dollar holdings becoming worthless as the American economy collapses under the weight of years of epic stupidity.The British empire took many years to fall from its position of power, but that was back when communications were slow and information was limited.This is the internet age, so I give the US five years at most. - @Fred
Yup, US bond prices are falling and tense tariff discussions with China continue. It's not however major news. Hardly anyone is reporting on it and for many people, they don't recognise what it means. The latest fall is - I believe - due to the budget plans. Resistance is high even if it makes for strange bedfellows.
I don't think it'll collapse in 5 years (which is a bit longer than Trump 2.0's term obviously).
I think Trump 2.0 could collapse far faster than that. His agenda is falling apart in the face of federal judges orders. His "team" is full of divisive idiots. Kristi Noem is the latest one to embarrass herself.
But anyway, Trump 2.0 is not the same as the USA as a country.
Cross-party MEPs demand a complete cut of funds for Hungary, claiming it regressing alarmingly. The European Commission is willing to discuss the use of the budget tool to preserve democracy.
Cross-party MEPs demand a complete cut of funds for Hungary, claiming it regressing alarmingly. The European Commission is willing to discuss the use of the budget tool to preserve democracy. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025 … m-eu-funds - @SimCityAT
That's a bit of a change of gear. And a welcome one. But will it get anywhere?
I wonder if, knowing Orban, this will become an excuse for a referendum on EU membership., i.e. it's incompatible with his version of Soviet Hungarian sovereignty and nationalism.
I cannot see the population voting for HUexit but you never know. Turkeys have been known to vote for Christmas (aka the UK and Brexit).
I received an e-mail today telling me to vote on Ukraine's membership of the EU. Yeah right, I'll get right on that as a non-citizen. But essentially the gist is that the votes/envelopes have not been delivered because they've been stolen by someone, whoever that may be. Presumably these mysterious people have been working with the Post Office to sabotage the entire thing. It might be that there's no interest in the vote. Our household voted FOR Ukraine to join the EU. OV has no credibility. All smoke and mirrors.
Cross-party MEPs demand a complete cut of funds for Hungary, claiming it regressing alarmingly. The European Commission is willing to discuss the use of the budget tool to preserve democracy.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025 … m-eu-funds - @SimCityAT
The link
The letter recalls that this law, adopted in 2023, enables the investigation of the usage of foreign funds to influence voters and is seen as a tool for deployment against government critics.In addition to that law, the Hungarian parliament is currently debating a draft law that could see foreign-funded media and NGOs listed and fined.
Why is that a bad thing?
Cross-party MEPs demand a complete cut of funds for Hungary, claiming it regressing alarmingly. The European Commission is willing to discuss the use of the budget tool to preserve democracy. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025 … m-eu-funds - @SimCityAT The linkThe letter recalls that this law, adopted in 2023, enables the investigation of the usage of foreign funds to influence voters and is seen as a tool for deployment against government critics.In addition to that law, the Hungarian parliament is currently debating a draft law that could see foreign-funded media and NGOs listed and fined.Why is that a bad thing? - @Fred
It's not currently the same law in Hungary as far as I am aware. In any case, voter influence is BS.
This new NGO law (version) is based on the Russian model which can - arbitrarily - be applied to any organisation according to Orban's whim. i.e. same as Putin's version. Orban controls the office (obviously) that decides who is evil and who is not.
And also because the law as it is currently drafted is widely drawn. It can apply to any foreign organisation funding, including the EU itself and also - for example - Soros.
As we all know (here), Soros is the perpetual bogeyman for Orban and Co despite Orban himself having been a recipient of an early scholarship funded by Soros's democracy foundation. Soros also funded CEU (Central European University) which has always been considered a bastion of free thinking. It's had to pull out of Hungary and relocate to Vienna because of interference. We know someone who works there and it's effectively gone.
It's a stronger version of Trump using his power to stop Harvard's foreign students. That is to say, we'll tell you what to think while you're at university. No-one wants it. It's a really serious issue however Orban dresses it up.
Cross-party MEPs demand a complete cut of funds for Hungary, claiming it regressing alarmingly. The European Commission is willing to discuss the use of the budget tool to preserve democracy.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025 … m-eu-funds - @SimCityAT
The link
The letter recalls that this law, adopted in 2023, enables the investigation of the usage of foreign funds to influence voters and is seen as a tool for deployment against government critics.In addition to that law, the Hungarian parliament is currently debating a draft law that could see foreign-funded media and NGOs listed and fined.
Why is that a bad thing? - @Fred
It's not currently a law in Hungary as far as I am aware. In any case, voter influence is BS.
This new NGO law is based on the Russian model which can - arbitrarily - be applied to any organisation according to Orban's whim. i.e. same as Putin's version. Orban controls the office (obviously) that decides who is evil and who is not.
And also because the law as it is currently drafted is widely drawn. It can apply to any foreign organisation funding, including the EU itself and also - for example - Soros.
As we all know (here), Soros is the perpetual bogeyman for Orban and Co despite Orban himself having been a recipient of an early scholarship funded by Soros's democracy foundation. Soros also funded CEU (Central European University) which has always been considered a bastion of free thinking. It's had to pull out of Hungary and relocate to Vienna because of interference. We know someone who works there and it's effectively gone.
It's a stronger version of Trump using his power to stop Harvard's foreign students. That is to say, we'll tell you what to think while you're at university. No-one wants it. It's a really serious issue however Orban dresses it up. - @fluffy2560
BUT the Russian model is based on the American model.
Add this
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … -reactions
I see nothing wrong with any country wanting to keep foreign governments from interfering in internal politics. The includes the US law that forces anyone taking money from foreign funds to declare it. It's the one Russia based their law on.
FARA - Google it
. In any case, voter influence is BS.
- @fluffy2560
That's why politicians NEVER try to look good in public. They say what they mean and always tell the full story because they know public opinion means nothing.
. In any case, voter influence is BS.
- @fluffy2560
That's why politicians NEVER try to look good in public. They say what they mean and always tell the full story because they know public opinion means nothing. - @Fred
Well, whatever you say and however persuasive you think your links are, people are still against it because it will mean EU funded projects and absolutely anything Orban considers against him can be considered voter influence. He controls the list, he controls the media, he controls the parliament via a super majority, the universities and he controls almost all the economy.
You know - as well as all of us - that there's no due process in Russia. And Orban wants it to be the same here (as does Trump does over there). 25+ years ago he said Fidesz should be in power permanently. And he meant it. And he means no due process for anyone. He's become a bit desperate as his influence is waning, elections are next year and other parties are finally beginning to take him on. He lost quite a few MEPs to the opposition.
There's also the Pride ban which is also considered anti-democratic and anti-free speech. That's not even really about LGBT rights any more, it's morphing into general resistance and protest. There will almost certainly be mass civil disobedience at the end of June over it. It's very concerning as there are elements who will want to use strong arm tactics.
people are still against it because it will mean EU funded projects and absolutely anything Orban considers against him can be considered voter influence. He controls the list, he controls the media, he controls the parliament via a super majority, - @fluffy2560
No, the foreign paid for press and foreign governments are against it.
Not at all, but he can control the foreign funded media
So he controls the country because he's extremely popular. That sounds pretty democratic.
people are still against it because it will mean EU funded projects and absolutely anything Orban considers against him can be considered voter influence. He controls the list, he controls the media, he controls the parliament via a super majority, - @fluffy2560
No, the foreign paid for press and foreign governments are against it.
Not at all, but he can control the foreign funded media
So he controls the country because he's extremely popular. That sounds pretty democratic. - @Fred
Yeah whatever, haven't you got anyone in Indonesia to piss off Fred?
Yeah whatever, haven't you got anyone in Indonesia to piss off Fred? - @SimCityAT
In the total absence of a logical, reasoned argument, you just insult.
That's not very nice, nor does it display intelligence.
Perhaps you might like to rethink your life.
So he controls the country because he's extremely popular. That sounds pretty democratic. - @Fred
Just Google it and then you'll see it's nothing of the sort.
(BTW, he's no longer popular)
So he controls the country because he's extremely popular. That sounds pretty democratic. - @Fred
Just Google it and then you'll see it's nothing of the sort.
(BTW, he's no longer popular) - @fluffy2560
Then your worries are over as he will get voted out
So he controls the country because he's extremely popular. That sounds pretty democratic. - @FredJust Google it and then you'll see it's nothing of the sort.(BTW, he's no longer popular) - @fluffy2560 Then your worries are over as he will get voted out - @Fred
Obviously we hope that. Unless he manages to manipulate the result. He's done all sorts of things to stay in power forever. Word on the street is that he's in serious trouble politically and searching for more and more extremist options to stay in. We all hope he can be defeated before we're all trapped. We need a defeat that not even he can deny. But we'll see if Orban manages to get out to Dubai in time along with the rest of the cash and cronies. Maybe he won't even make it to the airport. But I doubt he'll be pulled out of a drainpipe he was hiding in while on the run in some hick town.
The current challenger is former Fidesz and a whistleblower. While we're not fan of his either - he bought into the lies - it's still likely to be a change many can accept as an interim before much more transparent and cooperative multi-party democracy returns. It's unlikely to be perfect but if it's just different, then we'd take it for now.
Our worries won't actually be over. There will have to be some serious investigations into Orban and Co's corruption. It could go on for years and years and affect a great many people. Expectation is jail time for many. And some people will no longer be as wealthy as they were.
One of Orban's lastest wheezes is legislation to stop people insulting him, his government and Hungary. If he has to introduce such things, it's really the end of the road for democracy here.
p.s. as a follow up, DW has a reasoned discussion and interviews on the NGO law.
It comes in the wake of the EU considering stronger action against Hungary.
p.s. as a follow up, DW has a reasoned discussion and interviews on the NGO law. It comes in the wake of the EU considering stronger action against Hungary.EU eyes action over Hungary's planned Russian-style law - @fluffy2560
The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) was enacted in 1938. FARA requires certain agents of foreign principals who are engaged in political activities or other activities specified under the statute to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities. Disclosure of the required information facilitates evaluation by the government and the American people of the activities of such persons in light of their function as foreign agents. The FARA Unit of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) is responsible for the administration and enforcement of FARA.
The Russian law was based on the US law noted above.
The very fact the story has a twisted title intended to fool low IQ sheep is enough to make it suspect.
Hungary is copying America's law.
The Russian law was based on the US law noted above.The very fact the story has a twisted title intended to fool low IQ sheep is enough to make it suspect.Hungary is copying America's law. - @Fred
Let's put this FARA nonsense to bed. Bringing up a US law is irrelevant. And it's hardly ever been invoked. One doesn't justify the other.
For us, it's the one here that counts as this is the Hungary forum. The HU scope is very broad and deep.
Get better informed if you want to comment on events hereabouts.
Read the article and watch the interview video. It highlights the concerns and it's an objective piece from a well respected broadcaster/news outlet.
The Russian law was based on the US law noted above.The very fact the story has a twisted title intended to fool low IQ sheep is enough to make it suspect.Hungary is copying America's law. - @FredLet's put this FARA nonsense to bed. Bringing up a US law is irrelevant. And it's hardly ever been invoked. One doesn't justify the other. - @ffluffy2560
The first point is very easy. If the US law is nothing, why does it matter that other countries have it?
The unused law in the US is used
https://www.rcfp.org/fara-prosecution-op-ed-writing/
https://www.rcfp.org/faras-threat-to-free-press/
https://www.mayerbrown.com/en/insights/ … nt-of-fara
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insider/20 … es-beware/
https://www.justsecurity.org/97840/mene … nvictions/
FARA is used in the US, and Hungary's version is very similar
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou … ca2OpuGcd3
Just for a little further comparison, Hungary has a far more modest version of the US FARA law
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