Filipina Tennis Sensation

@Cherryann01

I hear she has a good forehand

...She is now safely ranked in the top 100 players and obviously has great potential and won the 2022 US Open Girls Single title... - @Cherryann01

Unless...

Google search result for "US Open Girls Single transgender"

"AI Overview

The US Open Girls' Singles tournament is open to female-identified players. Transgender athletes, specifically those who have transitioned to female, have been able to participate in women's sports, including the US Open, under specific conditions."

I certainly hope this isn't true, but I fear otherwise. Best of luck to Ms. Eala,

A couple of years back I entered a post on the Vietnam forum on that subject.

@Cherryann01I hear she has a good forehand - @Lotus Eater

If she does it will probably improve my Lob.

@Aidan in HCMC

The US Open Girls' Singles tournament is open to female-identified players. Transgender athletes, specifically those who have transitioned to female, have been able to participate in women's sports, including the US Open, under specific conditions."

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@Aidan in HCMC
The US Open Girls' Singles tournament is open to female-identified players. Transgender athletes, specifically those who have transitioned to female, have been able to participate in women's sports, including the US Open, under specific conditions."
😳 - @Lotus Eater

I feel sorry for the actual girls in this event. They are so handicapped by the physicsl advantage of men "competing". The tranny movement is actually the testosterone tyranny movement setting out to destroy women's athletics, or it seems. But women's tennis is very popular and they probably  could organize their own penis-free ladies event where more fans would likely attend. F the US Open, right?

I feel sorry for the actual girls in this event. They are so handicapped by the physicsl advantage of men "competing". The tranny movement is actually the testosterone tyranny movement setting out to destroy women's athletics, or it seems. But women's tennis is very popular and they probably could organize their own penis-free ladies event where more fans would likely attend. F the US Open, right? - @danfinn

I strongly agree with you on this subject. The last time I checked (This morning 😎), a woman doesn't have a penis.

Men, in general, tend to be physically stronger, so any man, even ones claiming to be a woman so they can cheat their way to winning, is a bit pathetic.

Quite why that stupidity is allowed is beyond my comprehension.

I feel sorry for the actual girls in this event. They are so handicapped by the physicsl advantage of men "competing". The tranny movement is actually the testosterone tyranny movement setting out to destroy women's athletics, or it seems. But women's tennis is very popular and they probably could organize their own penis-free ladies event where more fans would likely attend. F the US Open, right?
- @danfinn
I strongly agree with you on this subject. The last time I checked (This morning 😎), women don't have a penis.
Men, in general, tend to be physically stronger, so any man, even ones claiming to be a woman so they can cheat their way to winning, is a bit pathetic.
Quite why that stupidity is allowed is beyond my comprehension. - @Fred

I also strongly agree with these comments. My understanding is that transgender players need to provide tests to make sure their testosterone level in serum must be below a certain level throughout the persons desired eligibility to enter a WTA Tournament. Other rules also apply and obviously this is a hot topic at the moment so things may change. What the rules for mixed doubles are, I am not sure.

It is difficult for tennis players to adjust to the different playing surfaces without having to worry about competing against somebody who was born with a penis so the rules should be simple in my opinion and they should have seperate tournaments for transgender.

Saying all that, would anybody notice the difference if Sabalenka played a Trans Player?

Quite...

I also read that Alexandra Eala moved to Mallorca and attended the Rafael Nadal Tennis Academy from the age of 13 or 14 and wonder what if any rules he has concerning Trans athletes. Maybe he does not accept them but I guess that would be up to him.

The big problem with the trans crap is the rights of a very few are above the rights of roughly 50% of the population.

I am in the happy position of living in a civilised country where a man entering the women's toilets would get kicked out at best, or have the crap kicked out of him before being thrown out at worst .. or maybe more if he touched/attacked a real woman.

I have absolutely no idea why some countries allow that rubbish.

Mind you women with big breasts are at a disadvantage when competing in tennis and most other sports. Simona Halep a Grand Slam winner and Ex World No1 had breast reduction surgery because she said her breasts affected her physically and made her uncomfortable. Imagine being smacked in the face every time you served.

I do hope that Dolly Parton never had a desire to be a tennis player.

I also read that Alexandra Eala moved to Mallorca and attended the Rafael Nadal Tennis Academy from the age of 13 or 14 and wonder what if any rules he has concerning Trans athletes. Maybe he does not accept them but I guess that would be up to him. - @Cherryann01

According to US Open rules, the chances of her competing against a "trans-woman" is, unfortunately, not zero.

Fred said . . . .The big problem with the trans crap is the rights of a very few are above the rights of roughly 50% of the population.
I am in the happy position of living in a civilised country where a man entering the women's toilets would get kicked out at best, or have the crap kicked out of him before being thrown out at worst .. or maybe more if he touched/attacked a real woman.
I have absolutely no idea why some countries allow that rubbish.

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I guess they will have to remove the Tampon machines from the boys room in the states, after fighting many court dates.

During the Supreme Court nomination hearings, Ketanji Jackson now a justice on the supreme court was asked, What is a woman?

She said,  I can't answer that, I'm not a biologist.

By the way, how does Indonesia, a "civilized" country, treat Gays and Trans people?

I guess they will have to remove the Tampon machines from the boys room in the states, after fighting many court dates.
During the Supreme Court nomination hearings, Ketanji Jackson now a justice on the supreme court was asked, What is a woman?

She said, I can't answer that, I'm not a biologist.

By the way, how does Indonesia, a "civilized" country, treat Gays and Trans people? - @Enzyte Bob

With the exception of Aceh where they can face a whipping for sex or cross dressing, they are generally left to themselves with a 'live and let live' policy.

There are plenty of ladyboys in the cities. As long as they don't assault anyone, they are left to whatever they want to do.

They are generally considered to be outside normal society, and commonly upset people because of their begging and general pushy behaviour.

However, if a man decides to enter a woman's toilets, they can expect a serious telling off or a beating.

During the Supreme Court nomination hearings, Ketanji Jackson now a justice on the supreme court was asked, What is a woman?

She said, I can't answer that, I'm not a biologist.
- @Enzyte Bob

I had to look her up. My conclusion is that she is an educated idiot.

I have an O level in biology. I didn't have that when I first snogged a girl but I knew she was a girl.

I was a rather advanced 11 year old, so I checked my somewhat limited anatomical knowledge with my fingers.

That is the day, in a car park under the local library, I found out what a girl really was.

However, I have to wait another five years before I fully tested my thoughts - She was 32 - the naughty lady.

If that dumb judge can't manage at her age ....... Sod it, you know what I'm thinking without me having to express how bloody stupid she is.

I have a confession.

Prior to my coming out, I was a male trapped inside a female body. Then my mother birthed me.

@Cherryann01

My understanding is that transgender players need to provide tests to make sure their testosterone level in serum must be below a certain level throughout the persons desired eligibility to enter a WTA Tournament.

That is a false indicator that hurts our cause.

My understanding is that checking testerone levels does not help. The muscles are still larger, still on a larger frame. A bit of extra testosterone during the event acts like a steroid but does not begin to account for the awesome advantage of natural born men vs real women in athletics.

@Cherryann01
My understanding is that transgender players need to provide tests to make sure their testosterone level in serum must be below a certain level throughout the persons desired eligibility to enter a WTA Tournament.
That is a false indicator that hurts our cause.
My understanding is that checking testerone levels does not help. The muscles are still larger, still on a larger frame. A bit of extra testosterone during the event acts like a steroid but does not begin to account for the awesome advantage of natural born men vs real women in athletics. - @danfinn

Surely the best test is the presence or absence of a sausage.

If they have one, or have had one in the past, keep them out of women's toilets and women's sports.

I have a personal opinion that covers most of life.

If an action doesn't cause harm, it doesn't bother me, and nobody should care.

If an action causes harm, it's probably wrong (with exceptiions).

Men in women's sport cause harm.

I have a personal opinion that covers most of life.If an action doesn't cause harm, it doesn't bother me, and nobody should care.If an action causes harm, it's probably wrong (with exceptiions).Men in women's sport cause harm. - @Fred

I've adopted a similar maxim. 

If an action doesn't cause harm to another, it doesn't bother me, and nobody should care.

If an action causes harm to another, it's probably wrong (with exceptions).

Vices are NOT Crimes (Link, PDF)

A Vindication of Moral Liberty

by Lysander Spooner

"For a government to declare a vice to be a crime, and to punish it as

such, is an attempt to falsify the very nature of things."

"Vices" as defined by religious organizations  of course are not always crimes depending upon a country’s legal standards, and the term "vice" itself as applied to gender disuria is not important in this discussion unless you happen to live in certain Muslim counties like Iran and Saudi Arabia. To leftists, I'm sure they would consider those countries lost causes in terms of their political transgender agenda.

But what leftists do in the West is 1) frame it a "vice", a religious moral issue, and 2) on that basis they claim that conservatives are inappropriately applying their moral standards to the Constitution.

I will grant that a few Evangelical groups may oppose trans insanity on biblical terms as part of their moral beliefs that trans but that is not the position that the majority of us take.

I also agree that not all vice is illegal and I agree that trans is not necessarily a vice, it is simply a mental condition, "gender disuria", in which the victim denies the reality of the gender he/she was born into.

Our issue is that people with this mental condition, driven by a well funded and  highly organizeded leftwing agenda, are trying to force everybody else to agree with the insanity, that men can have babies etc..They demand, not request, that we accept what is scientifically not real and that we turn our society, with all that is real, upside down, to accommodate their mental illness.

Thankfully their losses are are beginning to show, finally. Ultimately it is a battle that I believe they cannot win based on the simple fact that belief in the unreal is not sustainable forever.

It is not a vice. It's gender disoria. I agree that mental disoria is not a crime by any means but it is 100% wrong to advocate an agenda that forces the rest of society to accept their gender fantasies as being "real".

It becomes immoral when acting out these fantasies, such as men pretending to be women in women's sports, denies real women the opportunity to win awards they have worked hard for or even college scholarships which makes it financial plus stripping real women of privacy when they invade restrooms and girl's locker rooms.

I have a personal opinion that covers most of life.If an action doesn't cause harm, it doesn't bother me, and nobody should care.If an action causes harm, it's probably wrong (with exceptiions).Men in women's sport cause harm. - @Fred
I've adopted a similar maxim.
If an action doesn't cause harm to another, it doesn't bother me, and nobody should care.
If an action causes harm to another, it's probably wrong (with exceptions).


Vices are NOT Crimes (Link, PDF)
A Vindication of Moral Liberty
by Lysander Spooner
"For a government to declare a vice to be a crime, and to punish it as
such, is an attempt to falsify the very nature of things." - @Aidan in HCMC

Go on, accepted with reservations.

People only harm themselves when using illegal drugs, but they tend to commit criminal acts for drug money, and the drug supply chain is littered with dead bodies.

That vice is harmful to others.

As for men pretending to be women, that harms nobody so I really don't, as Clark Gable said, give a damn.

If they enter women only areas or cheat in women's sport, that causes harm, thus my position changes to reflect that.

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I don't recall any ####### participating in men's sports. - @Enzyte Bob

https://worldcrunch.com/culture-society … ns-sports/

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The term I used is  an acceptable word found in the dictionary and other places. Yet profanity and innuendo's are allowed on this forum.

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Selective stifling? Who put my post under review?

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"Vices" as defined by religious organizations of course are not always crimes depending upon a country’s legal standards, and the term "vice" itself as applied to gender disuria is not important in this discussion unless you happen to live in certain Muslim counties like Iran and Saudi Arabia. To leftists, I'm sure they would consider those countries lost causes in terms of their political transgender agenda.But what leftists do in the West is 1) frame it a "vice", a religious moral issue, and 2) on that basis they claim that conservatives are inappropriately applying their moral standards to the Constitution.I will grant that a few Evangelical groups may oppose trans insanity on biblical terms as part of their moral beliefs that trans but that is not the position that the majority of us take. I also agree that not all vice is illegal and I agree that trans is not necessarily a vice, it is simply a mental condition, "gender disuria", in which the victim denies the reality of the gender he/she was born into.Our issue is that people with this mental condition, driven by a well funded and highly organizeded leftwing agenda, are trying to force everybody else to agree with the insanity, that men can have babies etc..They demand, not request, that we accept what is scientifically not real and that we turn our society, with all that is real, upside down, to accommodate their mental illness. Thankfully their losses are are beginning to show, finally. Ultimately it is a battle that I believe they cannot win based on the simple fact that belief in the unreal is not sustainable forever.It is not a vice. It's gender disoria. I agree that mental disoria is not a crime by any means but it is 100% wrong to advocate an agenda that forces the rest of society to accept their gender fantasies as being "real". It becomes immoral when acting out these fantasies, such as men pretending to be women in women's sports, denies real women the opportunity to win awards they have worked hard for or even college scholarships which makes it financial plus stripping real women of privacy when they invade restrooms and girl's locker rooms. - @danfinn

I agree. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, not a vice in the sense I had intended. In fact, in my opinion all forms of dysphoria (body dysphoria, social dysphoria, gender dysphoria, etc) are an indicator of some sort of mental disorder, or at the very least a symptom of an underlying psychological issue. But that's just me.  I've little doubt that my view would be branded by some as being intolerant. That said, I should stress that when I say "mental disorder", what I mean is a disorder of the mental process. Not, "crazy". I'm sure that for the dysphoric it must be feel absolutely torturous.

Spooner's use of the word "vice" was in the context of it being...

"a bad habit; serious moral failing: Drinking too much is a vice.

  3.A.    A slight personal failing; a foible...

     B.    A flaw or imperfection; a defect..."  (source)

My reply to Fred (and my agreement with his post) was simply to expand on his philosophy of doing no harm, by my adding that "to others" insert. I'm a firm believer in the (almost cliche) slogan, "My Body. My Choice".

I have been trying to keep out of this topic as it's definitely political, religious and a fair amount of bias.

Don't confuse transgender with transexual, 2 different beasts. To me it seems a man that wants to go through gender realignment does so for a reason, that person wants to be a woman,,,,,,, Choice, not a mental disorder.

I do take offence when some say these issues of being gay, bi or transgender is a mental issue, sounds like RFK's thinking.

At the moment there are far bigger problems to worry about than some blokes choice to be a woman as well as those causing far greater problems within this world to the detriment of not only us but those that follow.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Go on, accepted with reservations.
People only harm themselves when using illegal drugs,...

Let's not give alcohol, nicotine, prescription meds, and on and on, a free pass.

but they tend to commit criminal acts for drug money,...

There are already laws on the books against any such criminal acts (hence their being labelled "criminal acts"). In any event I can proudly state that I've never been guilty of that.😉 It takes only one white crow to refute the statement, "All crows are black".

There are plenty of fully functioning, (otherwise) law abiding members of society who engage in their own form of vice. I don't think any "pre-crime punishment legislation" warrants, nor justifies, curtailment of one's free choice or one's free will.

and the drug supply chain is littered with dead bodies.
That vice is harmful to others. - @Fred

Oxycodone, SSRIs (among others) say to the illicit drugs, "Hold my beer". 

...To me it seems a man that wants to go through gender realignment does so for a reason, that person wants to be a woman,,,,,,, Choice, not a mental disorder.

"Wanting" to be of the opposite sex than a person is, is not the same as being convinced that the person is of the opposite sex.

Someone wanting to undergo rhinoplastic surgery because they don't like the way their nose looks, is not the same as believing that they were born with the wrong schnoz.

I do take offence when some say these issues of being gay, bi...

No one in this thread said anything about "gay" or "bi" being a mental issue.

or transgender is a mental issue, sounds like RFK's thinking.

At the moment there are far bigger problems to worry about than some blokes choice to be a woman as well as those causing far greater problems within this world to the detriment of not only us but those that follow.
OMO.
Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

But "...some blokes choice to be a woman..." is simply that. It's their choice, and so be it. Best of luck to them, I say. But to insist that others believe and affirm that they are a woman is antithetical to logic.

Interesting thoughts Aidan and many valid but vices don't stop with the above mentioned, fast cars, fast women, gambling, chocolate, overeating, loving your partner or pets etc. An open mind wins the day as all have choices but as we know you don't shove your choice down another's throat.

Are political or religious views a vice? Radicals perhaps yes but live and let live has always been my belief.

To Bob (Enzyme Bob) as far as your links and submissions though we have had our spats you have to remember that given you were banned, I'm sure you will be on the radar,,,,,,, over the years I've learnt to pull my head in and do try to be diplomatic as I've also had a few warnings but usually in a PM.

Keep it up but simmer a little, tact can win the day.

As always OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

I agree. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, - @Aidan in HCMC

I disagree.

We can't label someone as crazy because we don't understand them.

Even if it is, as long as no harm is done, I don't really see a problem.

Aidan.

Mental issues were brought up in relation to this topic, mine was a simple analogy of the same at all levels.

Is gambling a mental issue? Eating too much chocolate? Weighing 500 pounds?

Matters little until someone wants you to adhere and believe the same as they do,,,,,, blaming mental problems is instituted by those with no understanding or acceptance of another's choice and simply look to blame and not understanding choice.

Labels, a fallacy.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Interesting thoughts Aidan and many valid but vices don't stop with the above mentioned, fast cars, fast women, gambling, chocolate, overeating, loving your partner or pets etc. - @bigpearl

All the above are vices, but loving pets is illegal in most countries.

Quite right too.

Is gambling a mental issue? Eating too much chocolate? Weighing 500 pounds?

Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

As a fat person, I would say being overweight is, thyroid problems excluded, a matter of weak mindedness.

Gambling, unless you are good at it, is stupidity.

The aforementioned fast women is a fully understandable vice, but my overeating generally excludes me from that party these days.

Now you are changing the subject Fred, as always. I love our 2 Labrador's and like kids can be a pain at times especially when you take them for a walk but reality is they are taking you.

I often wonder if you have as much fun on the Indonesian expat sites.

Cheers, Steve.

Fred,,,,,,, weak-mindedness? Can that not attributed to a mental issue?

I smoke like a burning tyre and drink like a fish and sure it might take 10 years off my life but the thing is like most vices/addictions? You enjoy. Any different to drugs or overeating? Fast women? We are. not all clean living Clive.

CHOICE.

Cheers, Steve.

I agree. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder,  - @Aidan in HCMC

I disagree.
We can't label someone as crazy because we don't understand them.
Even if it is, as long as no harm is done, I don't really see a problem. - @Fred

Huh? You short-quoted me.

"That said, I should stress that when I say "mental disorder", what I mean is a disorder of the mental process. Not, "crazy". I'm sure that for the dysphoric it must be feel absolutely torturous."