Does anyone know when to allow tourists to enter Vietnam thanks

FabriceVN wrote:

Contem talk wrote:

I came here last June from Tokyo when I reach Narita airport

So you were in Japan, not in Canada at first?

Yes, I was in Japan since Last March.

The good news for those who are stranded abroad due to Covid-19.

There seems to be a chance, that some of you can make their back to Vietnam:
https://vietnamnet.vn/en/society/vietna … 56953.html

"Major destinations he suggested include Tokyo of Japan, Seoul of the Republic of Korea, Guangzhou of China, Taipei of Taiwan (China), Vientiane of Laos and Phnom Penh of Cambodia."

"to bring back Vietnamese citizens stranded overseas due to COVID-19, as well as foreign specialists, business executives and skilled workers to Vietnam."

An more detailed article about the reopening with Asian countries:
vnexplorer.net/vietnam-reopens-intl-air-services-to-some-asian-countries-from-mid-july-a202064506.html

FabriceVN wrote:

An more detailed article about the reopening with Asian countries:
vnexplorer.net/vietnam-reopens-intl-air-services-to-some-asian-countries-from-mid-july-a202064506.html

Yep, 15 years ago they also said, the metro's are running 10 years ago .... There is not year mentioned. This is likely to be decided in 20 years, which year....
They also "had" a "facebook", outrunning facebook ....

Should just send one of those automated messages on text or zalo.. "we don't know" because no one knows, any glimmer of hope gets quickly overshadowed by new cases announced in China and the west.

Maybe VN should export their expertise in fighting covid overseas.

Makes you wonder if more developed countries are too developed or not at all

Jlgarbutt wrote:

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Maybe VN should export their expertise in fighting covid overseas.
.............l

That doesn't democratic enough, despite very clear, that this is ONLY way.
Even without any Covid, the economical crisis would shatter many tourist dreams. Personally I doubt more and more for any (normal)  international tourism for this year, when looking countries numbers and the action the take

You will find Insurance Companies will have a big influence on when & IF airlines start flying again.

Most travel insurance policies don't cover pandemics.
C19 cover does exist , but it's EXPENSIVE.   

Governments probably won't let their people leave the country without that in place.   Given that the premiums will be out of reach for most budget travellers .....this region won't see a lot of western tourists .

Airlines won't go anywhere with empty seats , so regular schedules won't be possible.   They'll be like the Thai public buses......They leave when they're full🤓

I know Vietnam & Thailand are getting sick of destitute Russians walking the streets asking for charity & countries don't want their people coming home carrying that “smell”.   

For us expats , we had better factor in C19 insurance into the budgets. Thailand & Cambodia are already applying it.   Recent quotes indicate @ $400 per month for a 65 yr old and $600 per month for 75 yr old.  After that ,,,,they don't offer it.   

In Thailand , without the Insurance, the Visa won't get renewed.

Interesting times ahead kiddies. 😆😇

Jlgarbutt wrote:

I doubt even the authorities even have an idea. Seems every time there are rumours about borders, visas and tourists nothing happens.

Success in fighting covid-19 worked..but everything else seems to have been forgotten about

Mid of July, that is at least 12 hours + $unknown (in years). Don't believe in rumours. The things one sees daily  are fact, anything else is fiction

1 flight per Asian destination from August !
https://vnexplorer.net/international-fl … 65777.html

I found a broker who quoted full C19 medical cover for around $100 a month for age 67, paid monthly (so you can cancel whenever) provided you take a big deductible, around $5k. So if you get sick you pay the first $5k of the bill. But since you only need it as an entry requirement it should be good enough. PM me for details (no advertising on this forum).

hdgh29 wrote:

I found a broker who quoted full C19 medical cover for around $100 a month for age 67, paid monthly (so you can cancel whenever) provided you take a big deductible, around $5k. So if you get sick you pay the first $5k of the bill. But since you only need it as an entry requirement it should be good enough. PM me for details (no advertising on this forum).

Thanks for that mate.....you might have found the same Company I did in PP
They quote about $5 per day ,,but cover only lasts 60 days.     So for long term deals , maybe keep updating.

For me,,a mate has a business there ( used to be a business 😆) and I go across every now & then to catch up.  Not a hope in hell I'll be throwing the $3000 Bond into the hat for a short term visit.

The Thais are really ramping it up now.   They offer their own Thai insurance which I mentioned in previous posts.....it's pricey .    Now...they'll be cancelling the extended stay permits for people that couldn't get flights.   They say it's PRISON if you over stay Beyond 31/7.      That'd be fun In a Thai prison.

We live in interesting times.

hdgh29 wrote:

I found a broker who quoted full C19 medical cover for around $100 a month for age 67, paid monthly (so you can cancel whenever) provided you take a big deductible, around $5k. So if you get sick you pay the first $5k of the bill. But since you only need it as an entry requirement it should be good enough. PM me for details (no advertising on this forum).

No need for insurance. I bet, they also take cash as you go ...

Tiny_63 wrote:

hdgh29 wrote:

I found a broker who quoted full C19 medical cover for around $100 a month for age 67, paid monthly (so you can cancel whenever) provided you take a big deductible, around $5k. So if you get sick you pay the first $5k of the bill. But since you only need it as an entry requirement it should be good enough. PM me for details (no advertising on this forum).

No need for insurance. I bet, they also take cash as you go ...

Oh yeah...they'll take the cash.
But....to board the plane  to PP they'll likely  require proof of all documentation needed.
Bus companies...probably the same deal.

Otherwise your left standing .

A decent sized sized suitcase full of cash sure will do the trick. Also fake certificates are still more available, than fake handbags, I would bet. And followed by trick No 17 .. they can't read it, because even their English language certificate is a fake.
Nobody has ask me for a certificate as  did arrive in Vietnam, but virtually  everyone was asking for cash.
Else, this guy sure gives you a certificate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fztZQyjQ_CQ of no Covid

https://tuoitre.vn/sau-99-ngay-viet-nam … 243991.htm

Contem talk wrote:

https://tuoitre.vn/sau-99-ngay-viet-nam-them-1-ca-nhiem-covid-19-tu-cong-dong-2020072412243991.htm

This is NOT over yet, even if Vietnam did do well in the first round(s). A bit of to little attention and ... 99 days nobody detected, somewhere he must have got it is well. He didn't breed it in home kitchen.
There are sure a lot of time bombs around and nobody knows, when and who

Probably millions of vietnamese are infected, without symptoms because young!
And they don't want to go to hospital. If ever they are positive, they know they will lose their job, shame on their family, their picture will be in the newspapers, it's horrible, so they prefer not to be tested.
In a country where there is no free press, difficult to know.
Vietnam did 275,000 tests. USA did 51,552,175 test. No test, no problem!

FabriceVN wrote:

In a country where there is no free press, difficult to know.

If you want to know, ask Rupert Murdoch. 

You might be right,  but I have many friends in Vietnam both expats and locals and all of them tell me there is no virus except for border entrants. Vietnam was one of the first countries to enforce mask-wearing (people arrested in the street for no masks), they had large scale shutdowns of restaurants bars and public venues, and closed borders. Unlike the US everyone obeyed the laws , no protests, no cries of freedom of speech,  no mass gathering.  It may not be a democracy but hey, it works.

I am not one to doubt the sincerity of Vietnamese government pronouncements on the coronavirus but I certainly think that it is possible that there has been low level infection endemic in Da Nang all along.  Go back mentally to the incident with the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt.   The first infected sailor came down with symptoms about two weeks after the ship left Da Nang and before it entered any other port.  Before it reached Da Nang it was at sea.  In fact there was a 14 day "quarantine at sea" for the whole Pacific theater in place from 14 Feb, which would have ended on 28 Feb, just prior to the 5 March arrival of the ship in Da Nang.  Washington Post  The only place the first sailor could have become infected was Da Nang.  I suspect this was downplayed by the US Navy in order to help preserve the current excellent state of relations between the US and Vietnam.

I hope and expect that the health authorities will aggressively track down this elderly man's contacts, but I suspect that other techniques such as sewage systems testing and blanket testing of whole neighborhoods may be necessary.

I still find it odd that the VN peolpe are so desperate to be more like the americans.

The 14 day quaratine or self isolation process seems to be a questionable process, with daily increases in some countries getting higher despite the isolation - either the ones under quarantine are not fully oberving the requirement or the infectious stage can be longer than the 14 days, how else can  the numbers be growing ?

Yep Murdock will know. His editors will print what he says.

THIGV wrote:

...blanket testing of whole neighborhoods may be necessary.

It's highly doubtful that COVID-19 can be transmitted via a "blanket"...

😊

OceanBeach92107 wrote:

THIGV wrote:

...blanket testing of whole neighborhoods may be necessary.

It's highly doubtful that COVID-19 can be transmitted via a "blanket"...

😊

another new case in Da Nang over night 😮
Also read some people have  been caught allowing chinese nationals to cross the border for cash,

Jlgarbutt wrote:

I still find it odd that the VN peolpe are so desperate to be more like the americans.

The 14 day quaratine or self isolation process seems to be a questionable procsss, with daily increases on some countirs getting higher despite the isolation - either the ones under quarantine are not fully oberving the requirement or the infectious stage csn be longer than the 2r days, hkw else the numbrs be growing ?

The self-isolation is the problem. Not everyone has a 2-weeks supply of foods and other needs at home at any given time. There are pressorous jobs, appointments and other things, people can't just can't "cut-off" and will knowingly and unknowingly take risks to infect others. And if it's only bringing the trash bin to the container.
Isolation must be enforced and guarded, anything else will fail by a lot of people.

I have no clue, how precisely conditions inside the Vietnamese isolations camps are and if there are any differences.
At least that, what was shown in the news, that was looking quite decent and likely a bit higher standard, than most of the "inmates" have in their daily lives.

I also still have a travel bag prepped and checked upon a friend, to take of my dogs, in case it affects me somehow with a quarantaine. Due to their sizes and training, they  just can't be put in a handbag and given to just someone. They also want their home cooked meals and human attention - he is so far the only one apart from myself, who just can take them or enter my home, without becoming live food.

Even, I am not a fan of masks, I will wear them again, without being "forced" and reduce even more any going out. I not see a need to become a patient 0 in my area

Jlgarbutt wrote:

another new case in Da Nang over night 😮
Also read some people have  been caught allowing chinese nationals to cross the border for cash,

Of course, money before safety.

FabriceVN wrote:

Probably millions of vietnamese are infected, without symptoms because young!
And they don't want to go to hospital. If ever they are positive, they know they will lose their job, shame on their family, their picture will be in the newspapers, it's horrible, so they prefer not to be tested.
In a country where there is no free press, difficult to know.
Vietnam did 275,000 tests. USA did 51,552,175 test. No test, no problem!

The number of tests alone says nothing and if - then it's to late anyway, that further tests are like buying snow chains in Vietnam.
Tests are useful there, where the borders of the outbreak needs to evaluated and/or for declaring infected or not. With Vietnam's very few cases and considering the costs and effort for such tests outside those areas, the numbers look pretty realistic and logic to me.
As for the "shame" factor  in communities - there is a thing, Vietnam could improve and should work on, one of the reasons, I also not want to become "patient 0" in my neighborhood either.
However, despite we all know, one can get infected anywhere at any time, there are still differences. Getting infected in brothel is likely a different stigma as when getting infected at a family party

Tiny_63 wrote:

Getting infected in brothel is likely a different stigma as when getting infected at a family party

Given the age of the two patients, I doubt that they were infected at a brothel.  The sailors from the Roosevelt are possibly another story.   

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Also read some people have  been caught allowing chinese nationals to cross the border for cash,

If they are showing up in Da Nang, how are they coming in?  Through Laos?  Regardless if these Chinese are the source of the current outbreak, any human smugglers should get put away for a long time.  Especially under the current circumstances, this is a crime where bringing shame on your family and village should be a real factor, above and beyond prison time.

THIGV wrote:

If they are showing up in Da Nang, how are they coming in?

By boat.

Four people have been arrested in Tay Ninh and given a combindd prison sentence of just 21 years.
People are taking risks and charging low fees to hide people, who knows how many and where they are crossing into VN

THIGV wrote:

Tiny_63 wrote:

Getting infected in brothel is likely a different stigma as when getting infected at a family party

Given the age of the two patients, I doubt that they were infected at a brothel.  The sailors from the Roosevelt are possibly another story.   

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Also read some people have  been caught allowing chinese nationals to cross the border for cash,

If they are showing up in Da Nang, how are they coming in?  Through Laos?  Regardless if these Chinese are the source of the current outbreak, any human smugglers should get put away for a long time.  Especially under the current circumstances, this is a crime where bringing shame on your family and village should be a real factor, above and beyond prison time.

You might be surprised. I know one foreigner, deceased now, up to death at 87 (!) he went twice a week for full service. He told me that as a customer and friend ad vietnamese man also go. Ages above the 60 are still normal clientele

THIGV wrote:

If they are showing up in Da Nang, how are they coming in?  Through Laos?  Regardless if these Chinese are the source of the current outbreak, any human smugglers should get put away for a long time. Especially under the current circumstances, this is a crime where bringing shame on your family and village should be a real factor, above and beyond prison time.

Don't know specifically how they entered.  My source said via land and I didn't have time to ask many questions.  All the smugglers involved with that group have been arrested.  And of course their photos will be on the newspapers.

THIGV wrote:

Tiny_63 wrote:

Getting infected in brothel is likely a different stigma as when getting infected at a family party

Given the age of the two patients, I doubt that they were infected at a brothel.  The sailors from the Roosevelt are possibly another story.   

Jlgarbutt wrote:

Also read some people have  been caught allowing chinese nationals to cross the border for cash,

If they are showing up in Da Nang, how are they coming in?  Through Laos?  Regardless if these Chinese are the source of the current outbreak, any human smugglers should get put away for a long time.  Especially under the current circumstances, this is a crime where bringing shame on your family and village should be a real factor, above and beyond prison time.

How are you sure that the infections are coming from the Chinese?
They are still looking for a responsible !
THEY DON'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT JUST THE INFECTION IS LOCAL ORIGIN.

Nobody is sure and the Chinese were tested negative and quarantined. So far is no proof for nothing, but that the borders are still a weak point.
Anyone, who had a stop-over in Danang cold be the source

If the figures of nk new cases are true then the most likely source has to be from across the border.

One of the new cases says she arrived here on bus overnight to avoid quarantine, very selfish attitude really.