A black market will grow, just like it did between the Netherlands and Germany in the 1970's. A feature for my wife's family was every Sunday to drive across to Gronau and fill all the cars up.- @Cynic
A black market will grow, just like it did between the Netherlands and Germany in the 1970's. A feature for my wife's family was every Sunday to drive across to Gronau and fill all the cars up.- @CynicI wasn't aware of that Dutch/German differential. The one I always think of is Venezuela/Colombia. What was the difference between NL and DE way back then in the post-groovy 70s.- @fluffy2560
Reading posts on social media, the rice of the price of fuel is orchestrated by the governments so people will buy electric cars and the stay made is to cover the money they lost with COVID.- @SimCityAT
A black market will grow, just like it did between the Netherlands and Germany in the 1970's. A feature for my wife's family was every Sunday to drive across to Gronau and fill all the cars up.- @CynicI wasn't aware of that Dutch/German differential. The one I always think of is Venezuela/Colombia. What was the difference between NL and DE way back then in the post-groovy 70s.- @fluffy2560Back in those days, they also didn't share a currency, it was Hfl and Dm; my wife saved 25 guilders a week filling up her little Renault 5 in Germany. Her dad had a company car which ran on LPG, there the price difference went the other way, it was much cheaper in Holland. It got more complicated because I got tax-free fuel in Germany.- @Cynic
A black market will grow, just like it did between the Netherlands and Germany in the 1970's. A feature for my wife's family was every Sunday to drive across to Gronau and fill all the cars up.- @CynicI wasn't aware of that Dutch/German differential. The one I always think of is Venezuela/Colombia. What was the difference between NL and DE way back then in the post-groovy 70s.- @fluffy2560Back in those days, they also didn't share a currency, it was Hfl and Dm; my wife saved 25 guilders a week filling up her little Renault 5 in Germany. Her dad had a company car which ran on LPG, there the price difference went the other way, it was much cheaper in Holland. It got more complicated because I got tax-free fuel in Germany.- @CynicThat's complicated to arrange. I suppose a siphon or pump was in use occasionally.I remember HFL and DEM! I liked the Dutch money, very colourful notes. German less so. I suppose 25 HFL was about £8 on a tank. Today's money that would be about £70-80, about 10 x the difference. That's a lot!More recently (like this morning), I've been told by someone I know further West that the minders at the stations closer to the border are not actually there all the time. People are therefore just buying as freely as they wish at the automated stations, including those on foreign plates.Probably the foreign cars are actually Hungarians working elsewhere as cross border workers so it's going to be interesting to see how that is going to work out if they were actually challenged by someone. I can see Hungarian on Hungarian contact.And they'll lose at football vs England next time. That'll show 'em what's what. None of that low fuel price discrimination nonsense.- @fluffy2560
That's complicated to arrange. I suppose a siphon or pump was in use occasionally.I remember HFL and DEM! I liked the Dutch money, very colourful notes. German less so. I suppose 25 HFL was about £8 on a tank. Today's money that would be about £70-80, about 10 x the difference. That's a lot!More recently (like this morning), I've been told by someone I know further West that the minders at the stations closer to the border are not actually there all the time. People are therefore just buying as freely as they wish at the automated stations, including those on foreign plates.Probably the foreign cars are actually Hungarians working elsewhere as cross border workers so it's going to be interesting to see how that is going to work out if they were actually challenged by someone. I can see Hungarian on Hungarian contact.And they'll lose at football vs England next time. That'll show 'em what's what. None of that low fuel price discrimination nonsense.- @fluffy2560When you put it like that, it doesn't sound right (that's a lot of money) in 79; not helped by the fact I was driving without paying any mwst, so it all seemed bloody expensive to me, but that's what they say amongst themselves when reminiscing about queueing at the border crossings back then.- @Cynic
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https://www.skysports.com/football/engl … ort/461703
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A bit linked, but inflation is good for governments to decrease debt, voters will not always happy though, Germany the best example I think. Me myself I am also an example against inflation (stagflation), I have some savings, I am not investing (too scared)Personally a recession sounds fine to me and deflation even better. (Just me)But zero growth for a few years (with employment not being an issue) is very very fine.- @cdw057
This a is a good site to give you an idea https://www.fuel-prices.eu- @SimCityAT
I have an App on my tablet called "Fuel Flash" that gives me up-to-date prices in Austria and Germany. A very handy thing to have if you are not familiar with the area and what to get the best price.- @SimCityAT
https://www.skysports.com/football/engl … ort/461703
- @SimCityATShock result.Unfortunately, OV is going to say it vindicates his massive investment in sports and especially football stadiums.
I can see a Southgate resignation on the horizon!- @fluffy2560
Thought it was time to jump over here from the "weather" report site.My goodness, by one of your girls going to jail in Germany I do hope you meant another military person and not your own blood.That would be any parents worst nightmare.My boy was trying to be a gent in Las Vegas when his ex-Hungarian wife went insane and he covered for her, she had him tossed in the pokey for a very long day.She was the one who belnged locked up and for good!She didn't even have the respect to tell us what happened until he finally got his one phone call. I hung up several times on him becuase it was a vice message saying the call from from jail.It had to be a wrong number after all.Then I thought about what a terrible persn my DIL was and I picked up on the next ring.We had to bail him out after he did his min. of X amount of hours , think it was 18 hours ?Poor guy, never in any trouble in his life until he met her...I still have a bone to pick with her, such a demon in disguse...My husband did about 3 months behind bars in old cmmie Hungary and he was 100% innocent of any crime.Now I know why the good book says do not bare false witness... Some ,"chick" was mad at a guy and just tossed my teenage husband intoo the mix for more drama.Wrong place at the wrng time with the wrong person involved.Me, I had a ride in the back of a sqaud car once after a traffic accident. The police were nice and gave me a ride hoome when my car went off to the junkyard..It was very strange not being able to open the back doors for yourself and having that screen between the seats.Once when I was my silly teenage self, I was suppose to be at my BFF house fr a sleep ver... Well every Friday to Sunday we actually had a house party with a min. of 25 people in attendance. 2 parites ging on really, my friends party and her brther had a party with his cllege buddies in the other end of the house.The 2 paths rarely crossed, it was nice though that her br's frineds were ver age 21 and bught all the beer anyone could dream of. They also had some good grass that they feely shared.Well, once I decided to check out another party with this guy and a few people at the other end of our small town.I did smething not normal for me, I tok about 2 or 3 downers, never was into reds as we used to call them but for some reason I just took them, silly girl.I passed out cld and wke up with a flashlight in my eyes.Wasn't in the best of mods and swore at the person with the light in my eyes.It was our local cops!!!I passed out s a friend put me in the back of a Willy's Jeep to sleep it off.This friend was driving me back to my BFF's party house and got stopped by the cops and hauled off to jail.Seems while I was out he had for fun ran over 3 US mail boxes. Destruction of US property.The local cops were super cool with me, still not sure why I got so lucky.They drove me back to my friends loud party and never even bothered to check out what was going on insde the house.Just warned me to be more careful of who I hung out with in the future ect.I mean that was worth more then winning the lotto. If my mom ever got wind of me doing anything so crazy she woule of murdered me on the spot.Later we found out this guy broke into the police impound yard to get his stash!The things one does when they are young and dumb!.. Well young at least!- @Marilyn Tassy
It was one of the girls who worked for me, but the outcome was devastating all around; without going into detail, she ended up in a bitch fight with somebody who was trying it on with her boyfriend, the outcome of which was she ended up in jail and being discharged from the army. Had it happened anywhere else, it would have been broken up and life would have moved on, but it didn't; I was her CO and had to witness the entire farce. I still speak to her via social media and to her credit, she has moved on, married, raised a family and has the most amazing job; we don't discuss the past, it's not appropriate 26 years later, but I sometimes wonder what the Army lost that day.- @Cynic
They say there is little crime in Japan.I know why.Any offense means a min. of 23 days in jail before seeing the judge and they have no bail system!Say you are charged with 2 minor crimes, that is automatic 46 days in jail before being offically charged with anything!Your lawyer can not appear in court to face the judge with you either!!!!I've told my son he had better keep his nose clean in Japan!!I've seen video's on prison life in Japan.They basically force you to confess to anything they saw you did wrong.Talk about cruel!Not allowed to talk , only whisper with other inmates for 30 mins per day in the yard.Have to sit in 2 official ways in your cell, not lay on your bunk or mat.Either cross legged or on your knees resting on your feet. No walking around your cell or bugging the guard.Visitors hours are very limited. No heat in the winter and no A/C in the summer in jail.It's like a POW camp!- @Marilyn Tassy
Yes, in Japan they,"grill" you until you confess.If you make a fuss about sitting in your cell quietly then they put you in a looney bin for a while in a straight jacket.If you confess you may get out but then you are black marked for life and they keep tabs on you.Hard to believe in a modern world where Japan ranks as being part of the modern industrial world.Saw a show about their prison system and some poor elderly man was in there s long that is went menatal.The locals in is village are nice with him and know he was treated unfairly. He lives with his sister who cares for him. He just walks all day long becuase he is free and he couldn't take walks in jail.What a waste of his life, think he was in for 30 years!When my son's ex wife accused him of a false claim( thrown out of courst) and he spent a day in jail while the clock ticked away. We had to wait to pay bail, they have a min. amount of hours you must be in before they let anyone out.He was given the oranage jump suit and told us he was giving everything away, his pillow, his bed coverings , half his food,ect. just to keep the peace with the real crimmies in the holding area with him.I swear if it's the last thing I do in this life, I'm going to get that women and her mother.Maybe I should just have a curse placed on them? I know anyone who crosses their paths is cursed.I mentioned how evil the women were. The mom's HU BF went so insane from them that on his BD he jumped off the roof of their Balaton villa and kiled himself. My ex DIL found his body in the back yard the next morning...Her mom then sent her over to the guys apt. where he shared the place with his bro and sister. Her mom left a pair of shoes at their palce and sent my DIL to pick them up after he had jumped.They did give back the shoes... they threw them at my DIL while screaming for her and her mother to get lost. I have allot in common with these people!My boy was going through the Stockholm syndrome for sure.We could see the evil but all he saw was stars, maybe he saw stars after his wife hit him on the head so hard she broke her own hand? He never recovered from the head injury.- @Marilyn Tassy
After 5 years of not visiting the UK I am finally going in November with KLM via Amsterdam to Cardiff. I hope they get their act together.- @SimCityAT
@fluffy2560 No surprise, the subsidy has to be stopped somehow, I would imagine that the concensus will be up to this or that consumption on an annual basis will be subsidized, over that price will increase quite a bit.With such shortfalls in the budget something has to be done, increasing interest rates only will not suffice. (KATA/GAS/Taxes on big companies/what will come more)- @cdw057
My Bpi flat is gas/electric. Sure I could cut down a lot on my gas stove, but I have gas heating/water heating. Quick showers are in my future!In addition to the simple costs of petrol, inflation is killing the exchange rates, and Hungary imports a lot. The incredibly shrinking forint is held hostage by the HU/Fidesz govt's stubborness in not allowing Rule of Law changes. Many tens of billions of Euros earmarked for HU are frozen in Brussels until such time as O1G's govt complies with mandates. Honestly, I do not see this happening in the short term. Anyone rich enough to be a friend of Fidesz has moved their money out of forints long ago. The common videki people who support Fidesz don't travel much abroad so it comes down to local finances for them. The cost of bread, fuel, drink... Plus the recent election gives Fidesz a mandate despite their lies and hypocrisy for years to come.- @Vicces1
I tell people that in the years that I've owned my Bpi flat, its price has doubled. Unfortunately, the value of the forint has halved. I'm barely treading water there and the rate of inflation is killing my income. I do have some friends who received a "inflationary adjustment" to their salaries, but that won't be happening at the company where I work. I'm feeling quite a lot of pressure...
"What do we know so far?
Government information officer Gergely Gulyás said that in Hungary today, the average monthly consumption for electricity is 210 kWh/month, and for natural gas 144 cubic meters/month, which makes it possible to consume 2,523 kWh of electricity and 1,729 cubic meters of gas per year at reduced utility prices.
Szilárd Német, the government commissioner responsible for maintaining the utility reduction, added to this that a family with three children can now use the discount up to 2329 cubic meters instead of 1729 cubic meters per year. The limit increases by 300 cubic meters for each additional child. However, there is no such discount for electricity.
They did not address how the reduced utility price matters to those who do not pay a flat rate, but report their consumption with a monthly dictation, or what happens to those who heat with electricity rather than gas. In the case of gas-heated apartment buildings, the settlement of discounted and overconsumption is not clear either."
BTW - In case you didn't know, we are in a state of emergency:The coal-fired Matra power plant -- not operating since June 2021 -- will be restarted as soon as possible, and the government will launch the procedure to extend the operating license of the Paks nuclear power plant until 2042-2047 (different dates apply to the four Paks blocks). A sore point to citizens, those who consume energy above the national average will have to pay the market price for the excess consumption.Gulyas said the average annual consumption had been 2,523 kilowatt hours for electricity and 1,729 cubic meters for gas.As for inflation:Hungarian inflation hits 24-year high and shows no sign of slowingBoth headline and core inflation readings were higher than expected in June. The latter was more significant and suggests more entrenched price pressures in Hungary. We are still months away from seeing the peakHungary's central bank announced Tuesday its latest large interest rate hike as the country faces soaring inflation and a plunging local currency amid talks with Brussels over held-up EU funding.Hungarian headline inflation (HUCPIY=ECI) rose to 11.7% year-on-year in June, exceeding analyst forecasts for a 11.5% increase, while core inflation surged from the previous month, data showed on Friday.Core inflation (HUCPIC=ECI), calculated with a revised methodology, accelerated to 13.8% from 12.2% in May, above analysts' 13% forecast in a Reuters survey.The KSH said annual price increases were driven by higher food and consumer durables prices.Analysts said Tuesday's move was also aimed to steady the local currency, the forint, which has been plunging against the euro for weeks due to uncertainties over the holding-up of European Union funds to Hungary.Orban's government is in long-running talks with Brussels over the release of bloc funding that has been frozen by concerns about corruption and rule-of-law in Hungary.In a separate development, hundreds of protesters on Tuesday blocked traffic in downtown Budapest in a rally against the government scrapping a preferential tax for small business owners. (KATA)Inflation in Hungary is expected to strengthen further in the coming months. First of all, we expect the tax changes to impact both core and headline inflation from July. The government has raised the excise duty (alcohol and tobacco) and the public health product tax (certain sugary and salty products), while we also expect corporates to pass on some of the burden coming from “windfall” taxes.On top of that, EUR/HUF reached a new record level versus major currencies (417 vs EUR in early July), which might trigger further price changes. In addition, there is no relief in sight for global commodity prices, and the labour shortage is also driving up labour costs.In light of today's upside surprises and taking into consideration the pipeline price pressures, we move our inflation forecast higher. The extent and timing of the peak in price pressure highly depends on price caps, which are in place until 1 October, but we see another delay in the phase-out. All in all, we expect headline inflation to peak in the 13-14% YoY range in September or October. On average, we forecast an 11.5% headline reading in 2022, with 7-8% inflation in 2023 with risks clearly tilted to the upside.- @Vicces1
Yes, another COVID round coming. I wonder if they understand that those most at risk are their own supporters -- not only in HU but other countries as well. In the US, with over a million deaths now due to COVID, and the vast majority of those deaths among the unvaccinated, who are overwhelmingly Republican, I do wonder if it will have an effect in the midterm elections in November in simple mathematical terms of the number of voters. I have my 2 original shots and 2 boosters, so I hope that I have some degree of protection for any new variants.I can't see O1G caving to Brussels either -- it would mean opening up the books and he certainly doesn't want to do that. In fact, he hasn't even started on the required reporting basics:(Link at the top to change to English)And what does he really care? O1G, his cronies, Meszaros, stb have raped this country and sent their ill-gotten gains abroad, they are insulated from the financials. And I could even imagine a scenario where Fidesz blames Brussels for all the pain, if they didn't stand-up to Putin the way they did. Personally, I am amazed that a country still bent on Trianon and the 1956 revolution should develop amnesia and a lack of sympathy for Ukraine. It's been said to be a huge thorn in the side of Poland, who may reconsider some of their mutual admiration vetoes with Hungary.The question is really timing. Will Europe be able to source enough energy to overcome the shortfall from boycotting Russian energy? And in order to compensate, countries are delaying or restarting coal plants and other higher polluting energy sources. I do wonder how the German Greens have squared their circle of wanting to close down nuclear but now see a coal power resurgence in Germany.Then also, boycotting Russian props up harsh regimes elsewhere. The Rouble has never seen such strength in its own value in the past decade, while the forint plunges. Will food production recover from the major effects on grain exports from both Russia and Ukraine?So many issues...But the issue for me is that all could be solved relatively easily (or have been prevented) except for the egos of pathetic men in power, such as Putin and O1G. Just a slight change, a different path and the world would be a better place. Instead, we see the world destroying itself. It's so frustrating.- @Vicces1
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