Hmm .. is this different from Russian missles on Cuba?

Wondering how this is any different from Russian missiles in Cuba?

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/03/the-d-brief-march-26-2025/404058/ - @PalawOne

That's an easy one to answer.

The CCCP put missiles into Cuba to counter the Jupiter missiles the US placed into Italy and Turkey. The Soviet missiles were to balance out against the US threat, but China has made no military moves against the US.

That's a pretty significant difference.

If your question was about the differences between the US placing nuclear missiles in Europe and the latest lot, not much.

Another difference is that there is a good chance expat life in S.E. Asia could be disrupted as the US military threat in the region increases. That wasn't a notable consideration with Cuba as the global war the US almost started would mostly have killed citizens in their own countries.

@Fred

Another difference is that there is a good chance expat life in S.E. Asia could be disrupted as the US military threat in the region increases

I think you will be just fine wearing your carpet slippers in South Jakarta Fred as Indonesia like all the above countries you have named has an Autocrat in power. Strength in numbers.

I think you might like to read a little in order to become properly informed.

The president of Indonesia was voted in from internationally monitored, free, and fair elections. As I mentioned previously, he enjoys a roughly 80% popularity rating .

Reading can be very enlightening. Perhaps you should try a little.

I think you will be just fine wearing your carpet slippers in South Jakarta - @Lotus Eater

I don't own any carpet slippers, or any carpets.

I don't live in South Jakarta.

You seem to be doing rather badly on facts at the moment. Ho hum, you Could ask Allen Pope, the CIA mass murderer - He knew quite a bit about killing Christian civilians on their way to church, so he might be able to offer you some assistance.

We do get some sad and misguided souls on this forum.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Sad as it is, LC has little grasp on reality.

I would be happy to become his personal tutor for a reasonable fee.

@Fred

The president of Indonesia was voted in from internationally monitored, free, and fair elections.

So was Ferdinand Marcos (1st) of the Philippines &  and the now topical Turkish president Recep Erdogan.

So there is 'precedent' for president Prabowo to follow.

Get it?

@Fred
The president of Indonesia was voted in from internationally monitored, free, and fair elections.
So was Ferdinand Marcos (1st) of the Philippines & and the now topical Turkish president Recep Erdogan.
So there is 'precedent' for president Prabowo to follow.
Get it? - @Lotus Eater

You are British, a nationality shared with Gary Glitter, Jimmy Savile, and Huw Edwards.

So there is 'precedent' for you to follow.

"Ah", I hear you wimper, realising your silly logic is utter balderdash, "that doesn't work because I'm not them.

Well, Prabowo isn't your examples.

As with so many, you attack a man without giving reasons, and you want to destroy a democracy because someone you like didn't won the free and fair election.

A free and fair election fine and look where many countries end up, dictators etc. and now with the US?

I'm sure no free thinking people no matter country vote for what they may get in the end, history repeats.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

@Fred

As with so many, you attack a man without giving reasons

As discussed on the Indonesia Forum a few months ago Prabowo has questions to answer. He was banned from visiting the USA for 20 years for human rights violations.

He is now in the process of stuffing his jack booted military henchmen into various government positions.

Take off your rose tinted adopted nation fawning dogma spectacles

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Ok gents, our question is, what's best or acceptable for the Philippines, China and our world, given ..

"Beijing hates the Typhon missile launcher Biden sent to the Philippines"?

What should the Philippines peacefully and wisely  say/do  dear gentle-folks??

@Fred
As with so many, you attack a man without giving reasons
As discussed on the Indonesia Forum a few months ago Prabowo has questions to answer. He was banned from visiting the USA for 20 years for human rights violations. - @Lotus Eater

But the US armed the  president of the time,  and trained Prabowo in the US.

They  also assisted in Suharto's rise to  power using CIA terrorist bombings and, when they were found out, other subversion.  Britain joined in the effort to put Suharto into power, but they were a bit crap at it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ … communists

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/1570 … legram-298

I have all  the  British and US papers downloaded. I'll be happy to create a burner email and send them to you.

It will help your education.

And your opinion as the OP PalawOne? Perhaps like most countries with a finger in the air,,,,,, truck you as they are doing with the what appears to be the most hostile country in the world these days. Stupid is.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

`Ok gents, our question is, what's best or acceptable for the Philippines, China and our world, given .. "Beijing hates the Typhon missile launcher Biden sent to the Philippines"?What should the Philippines peacefully and wisely say/do dear gentle-folks?? - @PalawOne

Locals should be raging against the machines, preferably before they have to rage against the dying of the light.

However, the Marcos family tends to get well paid by  the US to take risks.

That gentle good night tend to be not so gentle if bombs are falling around you, and US first strike weapons around you might well see that in the future.

Yes and a fair question BP .. softly softly

methinks delay delay delay any missile movements

too early to say what's fair

Assertive Chinese maritime behaviour, requires closer missile bases?

Who knows?

Whatever, do your jobs government .. sort it .. carefully and well please?

Over and out

Assertive Chinese maritime behaviour, requires closer missile bases?

Who knows?
- @PPalawOne

But the Chinese only built up their military when Obama shifted focus to the South CHINA sea, and deployed carrier groups to threaten China.

@Fred

I'm sure you're idols, Probowo and Xi Jinping  see eye to eye on many things. Takes one to know one.

@Fred
I'm sure you're idols, Probowo and Xi Jinping see eye to eye on many things. Takes one to know one. - @Lotus Eater

Insults are easy, but rational points require a working brain.

Your posts in this thread so far are not demonstrating the latter.

I'm sure you aren't as thick as a brick, so perhaps you could try again.

Thank you.

@PalawOne

Wondering how this is any different from Russian missiles in Cuba?

I remember the Cuban missile crisis as a child. The big fear factor then was Kruschev deploying nuclear missiles 100 miles away from the US. With nuclear missiles the USSR or their puppet Fidel Castro could wipe out the US mainland in a very short period of time.

The typon missiles deployed in Luzon are conventional war heads. They are not offensive and do not significantly threaten the entire population of the mainland.

That is the difference.

Lotus Eater Said . . . . I'm sure you're idols, Probowo and Xi Jinping see eye to eye on many things. Takes one to know one.

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I'm sure this response to Fred can land you in purgatory as I was.

@PalawOne
Wondering how this is any different from Russian missiles in Cuba?
I remember the Cuban missile crisis as a child. The big fear factor then was Kruschev deploying nuclear missiles 100 miles away from the US. With nuclear missiles the USSR or their puppet Fidel Castro could wipe out the US mainland in a very short period of time.
That is the difference. - @danfinn

The difference is the Soviets put the missiles into Cuba to balance out the WMD (Jupiter missiles)  the US had placed in Turkey to make  a first strike on Moscow possible.

This latest US aggressive  move is not  to counter anything - it's just another example of bullying.

China has no offensive forces anywhere near the US, not has China ever spoken of attacking the US.

One has to ask which country is the problem. China that has seen not  much more  than a few border skirmishes since 1945, or the US that has bombed, murdered, and terrorised its way over the world.

And now the economic war affecting the globe, the laugh is it seems to be backfiring.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

And now the economic war affecting the globe, the laugh is it seems to be backfiring.
OMO.

Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

This is of course why the US is placing carrier strike groups and missiles into the area.

They are losing the economic war to a vastly superior nation of capitalists, so they threaten war instead.

As said it's backfiring, you can't beat proud people with egotism. Sad times we live in.

Cheers, Steve.

@Fred

They are losing the economic war to a vastly superior nation of capitalists

A nation that treats its subjects as pawns in a game. A nation of subjects with no free speech and verified instances of human rights abuses. If we were in China this Forum would be censored. Another thought for you Fred - the way Probowo is going you soon will not be entitled to exercise your vote as a citizen of your adopted country.

@FredThey are losing the economic war to a vastly superior nation of capitalistsA nation that treats its subjects as pawns in a game. A nation of subjects with no free speech and verified instances of human rights abuses. If we were in China this Forum would be censored. Another thought for you Fred - the way Probowo is going you soon will not be entitled to exercise your vote as a citizen of your adopted country. - @Lotus Eater

Yes, the US has really gone downhill.

Students deported for speaking, and the Guantanamo concentration camps where people have been tortured for years without trial.

Phones searched by wannabe gestapo immigration, and massive poverty you can hardly believe is possible.

Luckily, China, the country that buys more BMWs than anywhere else in the world, can show us the way.

As for democracy, as Iran and Ukraine about that. Both countries had it, but the US destroyed it for its own gain.

Given China has a rich population under an extremely well run capitalist system against the US mess with nothing - China comes out on top.

Face it - The US is a third class dump that relies on bullying to get its way.

China builds whilst the US bombs.

Come on Lotus, the pot calling the kettle black? Simply look at what's happening in the US, the latest is universities and free speech and doctrines based on a constitution that appears to be crumbling under the hands of a mad man. Said it before that time will tell,,,,,, what happened in all the revolutions over the hundreds of years,,,,,, off with the head.

A very sad time now in human history.

Cheers, Steve.

@PalawOne
Wondering how this is any different from Russian missiles in Cuba?
I remember the Cuban missile crisis as a child. The big fear factor then was Kruschev deploying nuclear missiles 100 miles away from the US. With nuclear missiles the USSR or their puppet Fidel Castro could wipe out the US mainland in a very short period of time.
That is the difference. - @danfinn
The difference is the Soviets put the missiles into Cuba to balance out the WMD (Jupiter missiles) the US had placed in Turkey to make a first strike on Moscow possible.
This latest US aggressive move is not to counter anything - it's just another example of bullying.
China has no offensive forces anywhere near the US, not has China ever spoken of attacking the US.
One has to ask which country is the problem. China that has seen not much more than a few border skirmishes since 1945, or the US that has bombed, murdered, and terrorised its way over the world. - @Fred

Palawan simply asked about the difference between the US Luzon missile deployment in the Philippines and the Soviet deployment in Cuba in the 60's. The answer is: The Soviet missiles were nuclear. That has nothing to do with trying to justify  their missiles, Chinese deployments or anything. The original question  was, what is the difference. The answer is "nuclear".

And now the economic war affecting the globe, the laugh is it seems to be backfiring.
OMO.

Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

I am quite sure that, ultimately, when that "war" is over, trade with the US will be reciprocal in terms of tariffs and fair in terms of non-tariff barriers. The US allowed itself to get screwed in tariffs and protective barriers after WWII  mostly because Europe was poor after the war and they needed a little help to get their economies started again, not just UK but Germany. So the US didn't object to asymmetric trading and the rest of the world followed. Trump believes WWII has been over for a long time now so, we should reset to symmetry on trade policies. I happen to agree and eventually it will happen. It is interesting because Americans have lived with being screwed in trading since WWII and they never even noticed. Symmetry may unlock some pleasant surprises for Americans, what do you think?

This is of course why the US is placing carrier strike groups and missiles into the area.
They are losing the economic war to a vastly superior nation of capitalists, so they threaten war instead. - @Fred

Lol 😆

@PalawOne
Wondering how this is any different from Russian missiles in Cuba?
I remember the Cuban missile crisis as a child. The big fear factor then was Kruschev deploying nuclear missiles 100 miles away from the US. With nuclear missiles the USSR or their puppet Fidel Castro could wipe out the US mainland in a very short period of time.
That is the difference. - @danfinn
The difference is the Soviets put the missiles into Cuba to balance out the WMD (Jupiter missiles) the US had placed in Turkey to make a first strike on Moscow possible.
This latest US aggressive move is not to counter anything - it's just another example of bullying.
China has no offensive forces anywhere near the US, not has China ever spoken of attacking the US.
One has to ask which country is the problem. China that has seen not much more than a few border skirmishes since 1945, or the US that has bombed, murdered, and terrorised its way over the world. - @Fred
Palawan simply asked about the difference between the US Luzon missile deployment in the Philippines and the Soviet deployment in Cuba in the 60's. The answer is: The Soviet missiles were nuclear. That has nothing to do with trying to justify their missiles, Chinese deployments or anything. The original question was, what is the difference. The answer is "nuclear". - @danfinn

No. The difference is the Soviets were trying to balance out the nuclear missile first strike threat the US started by targeting Moscow.

This is more like the US deployment of weapons into Turkey, not the response to it.

Lotus Eater said . . . . They are losing the economic war to a vastly superior nation of capitalists
A nation that treats its subjects as pawns in a game. A nation of subjects with no free speech and verified instances of human rights abuses. If we were in China this Forum would be censored. Another thought for you Fred - the way Probowo is going you soon will not be entitled to exercise your vote as a citizen of your adopted country.

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A good point Dan but one could simply wonder what the US is deploying in many countries, tactical or nuclear, who could know. The Cuban missile crisis? No one wanted Russia sticking nuclear weapons in Cuba but it is fine for the US to put the same in Russias back yard,,,,,,, one wonders.

Belgium, Germany, Holland, Turkey, Italy all host US nuclear missiles, God know what other countries and one has to ask simply why Russia has a retaliation to Ukraine joining NATO, even closer nukes in their back yard. While I agree Putin needs to pull his head in is it any different to taking over Greenland or the Panama Canal or making Canada the 51st state? Thoughtless power directed in the wrong direction and who will suffer? The people.

You know for many years I had an aversion to purchase anything from China, 6 years ago we purchased a Chinese SUV and not missed a beat and far cheaper than local or imported counterparts, Time to buy a new car now and it will be Chinese, these years they are pumping out quality Euro style cars and half the price and more than imported stuff from Europe or the US, really a no brainer.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Palawan simply asked about the difference between the US Luzon missile deployment in the Philippines and the Soviet deployment in Cuba in the 60's. The answer is: The Soviet missiles were nuclear. That has nothing to do with trying to justify their missiles, Chinese deployments or anything. The original question was, what is the difference. The answer is "nuclear". - @danfinn

Ahh, but the cruise missilies installed can be nuclear and have been for years.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedi … -tomahawks

Fred said . . . They are losing the economic war to a vastly superior nation of capitalists, so they threaten war instead.

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The best sell all electric cars in China 2024:

Tesla Model Y 480,000

BYD Seagull 454,000

And now Bob? 2025? World sales put BYD far ahead of an ailing Tesla brand. The reasons? Better product.

Cheers, Steve.

bigpearl said . . . And now Bob? 2025? World sales put BYD far ahead of an ailing Tesla brand. The reasons? Better product.

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Lets compare apple to apples and oranges to oranges.

In the first quarter of 2025 all electric models:

Tesla Model Y 81,889

BYD Seagul 20,950

I feel a breeze in my BVD's

Bob, it's simple.

https://www.google.com/search?client=sa … p;oe=UTF-8

BYD sold 4.29M vehicles worldwide compared to Tesla of 1.79M in 2024, while both respectable figures one would ask who is buying a Tesla vehicles these days given the hate portrayed towards the founder/brand, graffiti, burning cars,,,,, Seems the US are not happy campers these days and share prices are reflecting the sentiments. Bit like the US economy?

Time will tell.

Cheers, Steve.

@PalawOne

Ahh, but the cruise missilies installed can be nuclear and have been for years.

Right, however nobody, even China expects the Philippine strategic deployment to be for a first nuclear strike. Many missile systems can be fitted with nuclear warheads but most people agree that was not the purpose of thd basically defensive Philippines Biden admin deployment.

Personally, I am opposed to the US spending so much taxpayer money to defend the South China Sea shipping lanes which has such little benefit to the US taxpayers themselves or to their children who might die preserving the area on military conflict. Many mothers of these children could not even point out the South China Sea on a map much less support their kids defending it. I suppose missiles used defensively could save a few American military lives.

Although 25% or so of global shipping depends on those shippping lanes, almost none of the US shipping depends on it. Here again the USA is a Mr Nice Guy, actually an unappreciated chump, helping to defend European shipping originating from the Suez Canal and ANZ and Indonesian etc.  Why, because no one else will? Probably Australia and the rest have the capacity to defend it by themselves. Do it!

I agree with y'all. Remove the missiles.

Yes, we have re-confirmed our MDT mutual defense treaty obligations to Marcos but we probably do not need missiles for that. provided the Philippines keeps up it's own military strength to defend its traditional boundaries.