BREXIT
Personally I doubt anyone knows, including the politicians so I would dearly like to discuss with the ones who say "this or that" will happen. It doesn't matter if someone replies who is. a 'retmainer' or a leaver. I'm simply interested in discussing the pros and cons; if there are any!
Obviously I do have a view, and an opinion which is fairly fundamental. I am genuinely interested in debate, not insults or accusations; just debate.
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Cameron was a fool to even consider offering a referendum on leaving/remaining in the EU; he was even more foolish to promise to implement the decision of the referendum, thus putting the British Government in a bad place because referendums are not normally given that kind of status. That said, I can understand why he did what he did, but I guess nobody ever thought it would end as it did, I certainly didn't.
As for putting the government in a bad position: It is easy, with hindsight, to take such a stance. Had it been the other way around would you be singing his praises? I too didn't think the nation would vote in favour of Brexit. I wonder if that makes you and I a fool also? I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised!
My opinion of Cameron's foolishness comes from him offering an outcome that the Government had not prepared to implement; to the extent that shortly after the vote, despite him saying "The will of the British people is an instruction that must be delivered", he then walked away from it; I guess he had assumed getting a remain decision and didn't know where to start - we'll never find out till his memoirs are leaked in the press.
I just wish they would get on with it and leave, it has split the country in two and the continual desperation of the remainers is driving me mad.

That the referendum result was carried through, in my view, was absolutely correct. Had the result been to remain then that result would also have been correct. What is the point of a referendum if the majority voting in favour, one way or another , is ignored? It is nonsensical. I am totally against a second referendum, not because of my belief that the U.K. should not be part of the E.U.; I would think the same if the result had been to remain.
Perhaps if the issues are still profound enough another vote, in say, five or ten years could be held to decide if we should ask to rejoin!!! As for splitting the country in two: I think the press make much of that but I don't believe it. Yes we know how many voted for and how many against. That doesn't divide the country though and a few thousand people with all sorts of agendas, from 'ban the Bomb' to 'I hate Trump' marching through London doesn't make me believe the country is divided. I suppose the same point could be made after any General election!
I never liked Cameron, I thought him a poor Prime Minister detached from reality and was probably well illustrated in his taking the decision to hold a referendum. I have serious doubts about Mrs May also. I don't like the way she has handled herself at all. She has misjudged disastrously the true mood of the country. Then again who else is there, Boris or Corbyn?
Like you I want it settled and over with. Personally I would have walked away from the negotiations long ago. I understand why the E.U. is being as it is but the U.K. has been weak I feel. On verra bien!!!

To quote Cameron from his speech on 21 June 2016 (2 days before the vote), where he made his plea to remain (you can read the whole thing here):
David Cameron wrote:“......... and remember: they can’t undo the decision we take. If we vote out, that’s it, it is irreversible, we will leave Europe – for good and the next generation will have to live with the consequences far longer than the rest of us.
So, the British Prime Minister effectively made the referendum decision binding ..... the rest is history.
All the comments from those who are trying to turn the result around always seem to ignore one simple fact, we voted to leave and the quote from the British Prime Minister (above) spells out quite clearly what that meant. If they want to rejoin, then there is a process for doing that, they would be well advised to follow it; there is nothing to stop a future UK Government from applying to join the European Union.
Cynic wrote:Cameron was a fool to even consider offering a referendum on leaving/remaining in the EU; he was even more foolish to promise to implement the decision of the referendum,.
There was a large public movement against membership of a group no one had ever voted to join and was very unpopular. Only Scotland remaining in the UK made the vote even close to even but, at the end of the day, the majority voted to leave and politicians are supposed to follow the will of the people.
He might very well have been politically stupid, but the result proved holding the vote was the right thing to do as far as the majority were concerned.
All this second vote rubbish is of no concern or you open the door to second votes on everything, even general elections.
I can see it now, the "my party didn't win" lot demanding a new election, then the first lot demanding another to change it back.
Referendum held, won by the leave majority, end of story unless you want chaos.
The useless set of twits in parliament that couldn't set up a boozy party in a brewery are to blame for the mess we see at the moment. The lot are a bunch of wimps without the slightest clue about much - blame them, not the majority of voters.
...or you could always kick out the government by force and create a peoples' popular revolution with military rule and all that goes with it. Right or left wing makes little difference, you'd end up with roughly the same mess, just with a different sort of flag.
Vote over - now keep kicking the politicians so they make the best of it for Britain, something they're failing to do in epic fashion because they're all pathetic wimps (All parties).
This is a non aligned message with a noted bent toward respecting democracy but not wimpy politicians, those including the leaders of all three major UK parties, all of whom are unfit to empty dustbins on a Barnsley council estate, much less run UK politics.
I'm a firm believer in the old adage that if a politician's lips are moving, then he or she's probably lying.
Cynic wrote:To be fair, we did vote to join the Common Market;
The EEC, yes, but never for the EU.
That's like claiming you voted for the end of school milk because you voted for a tax on beer.
Fred wrote:Cynic wrote:To be fair, we did vote to join the Common Market;
The EEC, yes, but never for the EU.
That's like claiming you voted for the end of school milk because you voted for a tax on beer.
I voted for leave, not for any obtuse reason, just that we don't need the EU to create another layer of politicians and bureaucracy for our national politicians to hide behind; we need less of it, not more.
I, obviously, don't think it odd! I simply believe that countries should have the sole right to determine their own fortunes. This means that voters determine, through their elected representatives, how they think their country should be run.
I find it strange that many simply and casually forget that over fifty million people died during the second world war to establish that right. I don't think that edicts from a 'government' in Bruxelles or Strasbourg affecting how Britain operates, or any country for that matter, can be accepted. Indeed, I believe the whole concept will change dramatically and Brexit is only the start.
I think the 'E.U.' will continue but be unrecognisable in the future at to how it is structured today. It is, in my view, ridiculously inconceivable that countries as diverse as is in Europe can be brought together by laws thought up by politicians, most of whom appear to be self serving.
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