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Has anyone found a legal source of CBD topicals for pain in the Philippines or is it legal at all? I haven’t been to a doctor to ask yet.
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Michaelm54 wrote:

Has anyone found a legal source of CBD topicals for pain in the Philippines or is it legal at all? I haven’t been to a doctor to ask yet.


Have you tested if malunggay functions against your pain?
An American in USA, NOT selling anything, he is telling about it just to assist people his joint pain changed from 8 at a 10 scale, couldnt drive car, to 3 could even chop some wood by eating a few malunggay capsules regularly. (=Same as malunggay powder but dont taste terrible as the powder   :)      They are made of leaves, so I suppouse leaves can function too.) Some sources say malunggay SEEDS even assist against some cancer types.)

There are some other natural pain meds growing in Phils too.

Pretty clearly answers my question. Thanks!

coach53 wrote:

Have you tested if malunggay functions against your pain?


My first thought was "QUACK ALERT" but articles on reputable sites suggest these things can have positive effects against inflammation and pain for some people.
Given they're quite cheap and appear to be legal - perhaps the things are worth a try.

I had the Q A too, I’ll check it out too.
Concerning dosage of malunggay powder it isnt dangerous to "overdose" but can get some unrest stomach if to much, so best to test "half max" and raise if no problem.  I believe its max 20 gram powder per day recomended, but in a poor prison in VietNam they got better when they got 1 cup of fresh leaves per day instead of one can sardines per week. (Malunggay cover almost all nutrision needs so scientists recomend poor people to eat much malunggay.)
The American, who I wrote about, said he use 2 - 4 capsules per day, but they didnt tell size  :)
So I found this, I’ll ask around our barangay!

Moringa, also known as malunggay in the Philippines, is intriguingly one of the healthiest parts of your favorite Filipino soup dishes. Dubbed the “miracle vegetable”, the Moringa has antiviral, antidepressant, antifungal and anti-inflamatory properties.

Michaelm54 wrote:

So I found this, I’ll ask around our barangay!

Moringa, also known as malunggay in the Philippines, is intriguingly one of the healthiest parts of your favorite Filipino soup dishes. Dubbed the “miracle vegetable”, the Moringa has antiviral, antidepressant, antifungal and anti-inflamatory properties.


Nature is heaving with all sorts of handy cures for a lot of things.
Science had (often has) a nasty tendency to ignore way too much. A lot of doctors still know nothing about Qi energy; something I know to be absolutely amazing. The mind can be an extremely powerful weapon against pain.

Michaelm54 wrote:

So I found this, I’ll ask around our barangay!

Moringa, also known as malunggay in the Philippines, is intriguingly one of the healthiest parts of your favorite Filipino soup dishes. Dubbed the “miracle vegetable”, the Moringa has antiviral, antidepressant, antifungal and anti-inflamatory properties.


Yes. Moringa Olifiera elsewhere, called malunggay in the Philippines, where its very common.

An American botanist said he can see where Filipinos live in USA by looking which houses have malunggay trees   :)

coach53 wrote:
Michaelm54 wrote:

Has anyone found a legal source of CBD topicals for pain in the Philippines or is it legal at all? I haven’t been to a doctor to ask yet.


Have you tested if malunggay functions against your pain?
An American in USA, NOT selling anything, he is telling about it just to assist people his joint pain changed from 8 at a 10 scale, couldnt drive car, to 3 could even chop some wood by eating a few malunggay capsules regularly. (=Same as malunggay powder but dont taste terrible as the powder   :)      They are made of leaves, so I suppouse leaves can function too.) Some sources say malunggay SEEDS even assist against some cancer types.)

There are some other natural pain meds growing in Phils too.


Moringa/Malunggay Cuttings

Months and months ago when I was picking up loam soil for my Tomato seed planting my wife bought Moringa/Malunggay cuttings. I didn't know anything about these till Coach's post.

The gardener simply climbed up in the tree and cut a small branch off. My wife simply place it in a large flower part and it grew and grew. My wife just goes out to the balcony and plucks the leaves she needs for cooking.

You can do a search on Shopee for Moringa Cuttings or Malunggay Cuttings, the prices start at 10 PHP and up. You don't need a green thumb, just stick the branch in a large flower pot.

:/ I had to laugh when I showed the word ‘Malunggay’ to Ann, my wife, she knew of the medicinal and nutritional use, pointed to a tree in our yard and said they’ve been using in cooking as long as she can remember. I want to try some of the powder in tea or something. My CBD roll on is sorely missed in the evenings. I didn’t bring any because I suspected it was still illegal here.
To the OP,
I use a pain relief rub made from bees wax and ginger oil. It worked for my back and shoulder pain. I also use it for head aches. An employee,  who was using it for neck pain, was the one who introduced it to me. Send me a private message if you want to know the name of the product. You might find it in Lazada. This is not an endorsement. Just sharing.

Enzyte Bob wrote:

Moringa/Malunggay Cuttings

Months and months ago when I was picking up loam soil for my Tomato seed planting my wife bought Moringa/Malunggay cuttings. I didn't know anything about these till Coach's post.

The gardener simply climbed up in the tree and cut a small branch off. My wife simply place it in a large flower part and it grew and grew. My wife just goes out to the balcony and plucks the leaves she needs for cooking.

You can do a search on Shopee for Moringa Cuttings or Malunggay Cuttings, the prices start at 10 PHP and up. You don't need a green thumb, just stick the branch in a large flower pot.


Or ask your neighbours  :)   probably several of them have. 

Get much biger growth (at land planting) if cut the tops off over and over again so they become wide instead of tall.    Much easier to harvest too then.

Michaelm54 wrote:

:/ I had to laugh when I showed the word ‘Malunggay’ to Ann, my wife, she knew of the medicinal and nutritional use, pointed to a tree in our yard and said they’ve been using in cooking as long as she can remember. I want to try some of the powder in tea or something. My CBD roll on is sorely missed in the evenings. I didn’t bring any because I suspected it was still illegal here.


I have some doubts against HEATING natural meds, because I know some such lose/get less effect by heating
(while perhaps a few need heating  :)   but I believe thats more relevant for roots/barch meds.)

Oh I forgot to mension a while ago I got tip of a liniment type pain meds available in Phils.  I have forgot name but one ingridience is capsaicin,  available in chili.  I believe an other ingridience is kampher. So sellers of such probably know what it is if telling ingridience.

(No normal pain meds functions at me by I have got a gene from my father at who nothing functioned except such capsaicin patches, which Swedish hospitals use!   Remarkable because Swedish hospitals are in general crap at using natural meds  :)

NOTE! Be very careful if experimenting because such capsaicin patches/liniment can be very painful by themselves, so use gloves and test with litle/low dosage first.   
Liniment type can be made less strong by mix with coconut oil or olive oil.

An other to try is acupunkture. It helped me some. Or acupressure which is same possitions but pressure uinsteasd of needles. Acupressure has lower effect but no risk to get it wrong done and can do at yourself.
Now I have found out why capsaicin functions as pain killer.
It FOOLS the brain a part of body get burned, but it dont it only FEEL so, so the brain make so ENDORFINES are send to reduce the pain.. (In very high dosage it can become blisters and some people can get alergic reaction exsema.)

The sourse is in Swedish so I suppouse no point I post link.
Its from a producer of chili salt for cooking.  He use gloves and MASK when use high dosages in production.  He use only 9 % when making such to not become to strong for users. But thats for food. I suppouse can have some higher percent in pain meds.

The strongest part in the fruits is NOT the seeds as common believed, its in the WHITE stuff at the seeds.

Michaelm54 wrote:

So I found this, I’ll ask around our barangay!

Moringa, also known as malunggay in the Philippines, is intriguingly one of the healthiest parts of your favorite Filipino soup dishes. Dubbed the “miracle vegetable”, the Moringa has antiviral, antidepressant, antifungal and anti-inflamatory properties.


Malunggay also stimulates new hair growth, like an all-natural Rogaine. My mom and our housekeeper, who both have thinning hair, tried it and it worked for them. I haven't tried it yet. Maybe when my hair starts getting thin.

I got told the ingridiences but not proportions in a such balm sold in bottles in Cebu.
"Chili is added.base is coconut oil added to menthol, camphor & methyl salicylate."

Some others talk about adding ginger and turmeric too. They are antiinflamatoric too and pain often have inflamation involved.
To the OP,
I sent you info on the pain relief rub I use for my back and shoulder pain, what the label of an authentic product looks like (so you can avoid knock offs which don't work) and the link to the manufacturer's official Lazada store.

BTW, many Filipinos are not familiar with the term "moringa," but know very well "malunggay," which is pronounced like "mull" - loong - "guy". We have a tree in the vacant lot next to our house. We add it to tinola and corn soup. We also feed it to koi fish. As Enzytebob mentioned, it is easy to propagate. It's a cheaper alternative to spinach, which is quite expensive here in the Philippines.

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Yes, we eat a lot of it, especially in Monggo bean soup. Add a few sword peppers - Yummy.