COVID-19 Where is it leading?

Philippine Destiny wrote:

Should we be wearing an N95 tinfoil hat in this thread?

I know that earlier it was ruled out very strongly by member's here (quoting the WHO) that we wear N95 mask's, so i guess members are wearing Tinfoil hats.

poopat wrote:

Though it could take much time, but humans are resilient ... one day everything will be back to normal.

One day? How about thousands & thousands one days, but who among the survivors who will live to a ripe old age to see this. 

Future generations will learn about 2020 in classrooms. Just as I learned about bubonic  plague in grade school.

A 100 years ago "consumption" was listed on many death certificates, meaning they consumed too much? Too much of what?

W9XR wrote:

A 100 years ago "consumption" was listed on many death certificates, meaning they consumed too much? Too much of what?

TB consumed their lungs.

Philippine Destiny wrote:

In 2017 75,000 people died from flu and pneumonia every year in the Philippines.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/phi … -pneumonia

That is about 6,00 every month.

that is about 18,000 in the last three months (when the COVID-19 began)

how many have died from COVID-19 in that time?

144

It is a great question.  Can you tell us how many people in the Philippines contracted Flu ?  And Pneumonia?

pej1111 wrote:

Philippine Destiny wrote:

In 2017 75,000 people died from flu and pneumonia every year in the Philippines.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/phi … -pneumonia

That is about 6,00 every month.

that is about 18,000 in the last three months (when the COVID-19 began)

how many have died from COVID-19 in that time?

144

It is a great question.  Can you tell us how many people in the Philippines contracted Flu ?  And Pneumonia?

Google it and you will find that about 70,000 people die from flu and pneumonia in the Philippines every year.

2016 57,000 deaths
http://outbreaknewstoday.com/pneumonia- … ths-91248/

This site says the death rate per 100,000 is 115 which would yield about 115,000 per year (seems too high)
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/phi … -pneumonia

The Philippine News authority places the yearly average for pneumonia deaths at around 57,000
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1052723

Keep in mind that these high numbers are in spite of the fact that there is both a. herd immunity and b. vaccines which to a degree limit the mortality.

In the US hundreds of thousands of people die each year as a result of medical malpractice
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28186008

Is that not a huge news story? If journalism was not total trash is that not the story of the century or at least one of them?

Where's the outrage? Has anyone seen even a single news report? I wonder why not? The healthcare industrial complex is protected by the media industrial complex, which are often all part of the same enormous global corporate mega conglomerates.

These are the same forces that do not want people to receive cheap, effective and out of patent medications.

Fred wrote:

PD - What you're suggesting is a lot of deaths are simply covered up because big business needs it so.

This is my argument against your point

....

How am I suggesting what you just said? Explain yourself in detail.

I am not suggesting anything.

If you have a problem, then you problem is with the data and the facts.

Philippine Destiny wrote:

pej1111 wrote:

Philippine Destiny wrote:

In 2017 75,000 people died from flu and pneumonia every year in the Philippines.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/phi … -pneumonia

That is about 6,00 every month.

that is about 18,000 in the last three months (when the COVID-19 began)

how many have died from COVID-19 in that time?

144

It is a great question.  Can you tell us how many people in the Philippines contracted Flu ?  And Pneumonia?

Google it and you will find that about 70,000 people die from flu and pneumonia in the Philippines every year.

2016 57,000 deaths
http://outbreaknewstoday.com/pneumonia- … ths-91248/

This site says the death rate per 100,000 is 115 which would yield about 115,000 per year (seems too high)
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/phi … -pneumonia

The Philippine News authority places the yearly average for pneumonia deaths at around 57,000
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1052723

Keep in mind that these high numbers are in spite of the fact that there is both a. herd immunity and b. vaccines which to a degree limit the mortality.

In the US hundreds of thousands of people die each year as a result of medical malpractice
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28186008

Is that not a huge news story? If journalism was not total trash is that not the story of the century or at least one of them?

Where's the outrage? Has anyone seen even a single news report? I wonder why not? The healthcare industrial complex is protected by the media industrial complex, which are often all part of the same enormous global corporate mega conglomerates.

These are the same forces that do not want people to receive cheap, effective and out of patent medications.

I believe  your figures mate.

My my question was:

*  if you knew how many people in the Philippines, got the Flu? and pneumonia every year.  NOT how many died, i already read that in your previous statement.

pej1111 wrote:

Philippine Destiny wrote:

pej1111 wrote:

It is a great question.  Can you tell us how many people in the Philippines contracted Flu ?  And Pneumonia?

Google it and you will find that about 70,000 people die from flu and pneumonia in the Philippines every year.

2016 57,000 deaths
http://outbreaknewstoday.com/pneumonia- … ths-91248/

This site says the death rate per 100,000 is 115 which would yield about 115,000 per year (seems too high)
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/phi … -pneumonia

The Philippine News authority places the yearly average for pneumonia deaths at around 57,000
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1052723

Keep in mind that these high numbers are in spite of the fact that there is both a. herd immunity and b. vaccines which to a degree limit the mortality.

In the US hundreds of thousands of people die each year as a result of medical malpractice
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28186008

Is that not a huge news story? If journalism was not total trash is that not the story of the century or at least one of them?

Where's the outrage? Has anyone seen even a single news report? I wonder why not? The healthcare industrial complex is protected by the media industrial complex, which are often all part of the same enormous global corporate mega conglomerates.

These are the same forces that do not want people to receive cheap, effective and out of patent medications.

I believe  your figures mate.

My my question was:

*  if you knew how many people in the Philippines, got the Flu? and pneumonia every year.  NOT how many died, i already read that in your previous statement.

I know what you are getting at even though you do not state it.

You are thinking about the CFR.

But think about this:

No one knows what the CFR for COVID19 is because it could be much more widespread than is known.

I have posted all of this before and I am not going to repost the sources, but current estimates are that half of more of all cases are asymptomatic.

This brings the CFR way down.

And two other issues that I have also stated are the fact that for both Pneumonia and flu there is longstanding herd immunity and there are also effective vaccines that are widely available and widely used. These bring the CFR for flu and pneumonia down and they can also bring it down for COVID19.

And also there is the fact that dying with COVID19 is not dying from COVID19.

All of these points can be searched and you can read extensively on them.

The truth is in the middle.

There are those with agendas to both over inflate and underestimate the CFR.

It is so much easier to get to the facts when people do not have a HIDDEN AGENDA.

bonus question: how many people survive being placed on a ventilator?

Philippine Destiny wrote:

Fred wrote:

PD - What you're suggesting is a lot of deaths are simply covered up because big business needs it so.

This is my argument against your point

....

How am I suggesting what you just said? Explain yourself in detail.

I am not suggesting anything.

If you have a problem, then you problem is with the data and the facts.

Here

Where's the outrage? Has anyone seen even a single news report? I wonder why not? The healthcare industrial complex is protected by the media industrial complex, which are often all part of the same enormous global corporate mega conglomerates.

No problem with that as it's true

pej1111 wrote:

The reason i asked if you, if you knew how many people died from the flu and pneumonia was not to create and argument, it was so all could compare and put a normal response based on variable ranges of the situation of your statement. 


"In 2017 75,000 people died from flu and pneumonia every year in the Philippines.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/phi … -pneumonia

That is about 6,00 every month.

that is about 18,000 in the last three months (when the COVID-19 began)

how many have died from COVID-19 in that time?

144

No argument. But I think it is intriguing to follow the CFR issue. I see that being brought up in a lot of places. I really do not know which way it will go. I want it to go to the level of flu and it could for a lot of reasons, but I fear that it may not.

I do not know people personally who have died from it, but I hear about them a lot. They tend to be older and in poor health, like most of the COVID19 deaths. The first man who died in the Philippines was from Wuhan and he had bacterial pneumonia and other issues on top of COVID.

Pneumonia is very common here for some reason. I had dengue twice last year and my daughter had it once. In all three instances there was also pneumonia. We also suspect that my wife had it in the middle of last year. It seems like the pneumonia is always there just waiting to take advantage.

manwonder wrote:

Then a "few good men/woman" step up!!!

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-ne … oronavirus

They have a self serving agenda. What ever they are offering they can keep and place it with great pressure in a dark warm location.

Philippine Destiny wrote:

They cannot cure the common cold in a century, but people believe that the cure for coronavirus can be found in 6 months. The stupidity of humanity is astounding.

but the cold is so much more the enigma is it?

well is it?

Governments appear desperate to get a cure asap...Hope is the only thing thats left!

Just Saying!

manwonder wrote:

Philippine Destiny wrote:

They cannot cure the common cold in a century, but people believe that the cure for coronavirus can be found in 6 months. The stupidity of humanity is astounding.

but the cold is so much more the enigma is it?

well is it?

Governments appear desperate to get a cure asap...Hope is the only thing thats left!

Just Saying!

even as more evidence is coming out that this is only 2-3 x more deadly than flu and ventilators are killing people

but those are just unconfirmed rumors like the rumors that it started in china (rumors started by racists no doubt)

Philippine Destiny wrote:

manwonder wrote:

Philippine Destiny wrote:

They cannot cure the common cold in a century, but people believe that the cure for coronavirus can be found in 6 months. The stupidity of humanity is astounding.

but the cold is so much more the enigma is it?

well is it?

Governments appear desperate to get a cure asap...Hope is the only thing thats left!

Just Saying!

even as more evidence is coming out that this is only 2-3 x more deadly than flu and ventilators are killing people

but those are just unconfirmed rumors like the rumors that it started in china (rumors started by racists no doubt)

Xi had warned Communist Party cadres of black swans and gray rhinos a year ago, as China headed into a year ending with a "9" & prediction of a cursed year ahead! (So 2020 was about right!)
I've felt the black swan effect!
However NO mention of bats nor have I seen/felt the gray rhino either!