EV's. Should I or not?

Hence the wheel Fred? Look where that led and I wonder if the inventor patented it.

Your fat advertising guy sounds like you Fred,,,,,, old school.

BTW the new car, on the dash "digitally" gives battery charge and range, as does the fuel left and range that can be travelled on either/or.

When I talk about range anxiety Fred it's not the car but the lack of fast recharge stations though slowly improving and pay a premium you do for the service. A PHEV gives the best of both worlds instead of  full EV.

All our local running around from 50 to 100 klicks so far has been battery, plugged into the solar when I or Ben get home, never heard the ICE engine yet and keen to hear how quiet others say they are.

Aside it was time for a new car and our choice was simple. Remember the word choice Fred? Yours is to keep your 10 year old car that works for you, I wonder if you still have a CRT television or an analogue phone? I'm sure you at many levels have moved with the times and developments, EV's or perhaps hydrogen will be the way of the future bit like the wheel.

Nothing wrong with ICE transport and has been around since the late 1800's and going strong.

Cheers, Steve.

Remember the word choice Fred? Yours is to keep your 10 year old car that works for you, I wonder if you still have a CRT television or an analogue phone? I'm sure you at many levels have moved with the times and developments, EV's or perhaps hydrogen will be the way of the future bit like the wheel.
Nothing wrong with ICE transport and has been around since the late 1800's and going strong.

Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

I do not have a TV. There are three in the house, one unused, but I never watch them.

I care about my phones, but I rarely buy the latest. I usually buy a level down because they are all very similar, but the price of last year's design is far lower.

When my wonderful note 20 died, I had the choice of an S21 (I use one of those for work), an S22 Ultra, and an S23 Ultra.

I wanted the S-Pen, so it was going to be an ultra. The 22 does far more than my Note 20, and I didn't use all those features. The S23 was a lot more money, so it seemed pointless to spend more to get things I will never use.

Logic is the only way to decided on most things, which is why I don't used Windows unless I have to.

Yes Fred and you said it, "logic".  Decisions and choices should be based on logic, well researched logic and never passion.

Part of that logic is need and serviceability, budget of course. We could have a Ferrari sitting in the garage but practical? No. Need and usability? No.

At the end of the day logic and realism wins the day.

Cheers, Steve.

Always buy to suit needs.A very common one is when buying a computer.

Why did you buy windows?

1. Windows requires a high spec machine to work
2. It doesn't work very well
3. It has very poor security
4. Updates slow your computer down, and commonly fail

Android machines, especially the Samsung S series tablets, are way faster. They update, but the process is reasonably quick, easy, and problem free.

Saying that, a cheap A9 + would be plenty for most people.

hang on ... breakfast

Nice breakfast. Small but plenty as we will be going out for lunch.

"Ah, but what about Microsoft office, 364 and a half, or whatever they have renamed it to this week?", comes the cry.

Google's Sheets, Slides, and Docs do the same job for free, and you can export in Microsoft formats or PDF.

Unless you have to do fancy work, a Windows PC is an expensive way to be inefficient.

I use my 'entertainment and easy carry' Samsung A9 (8 inch) as my portable machine unless I'm doing heavy work, then it's a Samsung S8 tab with a second screen.

I have windows, but only because I have a few tasks Android can't do, and they are all work related. I gave up Windows years ago when the first update took all morning. I bought a Samsung S5e, and that was the end of Windows for years.

Choices have to be informed rather than just following the crowd.

Green ham and eggs Fred?

Yes choices and computers or refrigerators, A/C units, microwaves, tv's in reality are cheap peripherals in the scheme of things, homes, cars and investments require logic and serious consideration.

Here we have 2 x 15" MacBook pros, an MSI 17" gaming laptop plugged into a 42" curved screen and a Hp banger as a back up, all run windows and never an issue, we run iPhones and never a problem, our care taker runs an android and forever has problems and hates it but and but? Budget as that's all he can afford.

All those things to me are cheap disposables and 5/6 or if you are lucky 7 years they are replaced,,,,, a fact of life in a consumer driven world.

Look at Solar, a larger investment and also a given life, property however rarely devalues and is permanent, most peoples biggest investment, one or multiple.

We will I'm sure be happy with our PHEV for the next 5/6 years and then replace it. Choice.

Cheers, Steve.

        Glad I rely on public transportation.

bigpearl said to Fred . . . .  Aside it was time for a new car and our choice was simple. Remember the word choice Fred? Yours is to keep your 10 year old car that works for you, I wonder if you still have a CRT television or an analogue phone?

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I'm surprised he doesn't keep these things up to and after 20 years.

@Enzyte Bob

The great thing about M&S boxer shorts is they don't need recharging

Good call Lotus, as some have no tolerance for home solar systems nor EV's they as old school simply recharge their M&S boxers with the odd misfire, seems to have worked having to date with a 20 year life span, beats batteries by a simple squirt now and again. OOPS.

Seems some that don't like a post take their bat and ball and wreck the game for others.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Green ham and eggs Fred?Yes choices and computers or refrigerators, A/C units, microwaves, tv's in reality are cheap peripherals in the scheme of things, homes, cars and investments require logic and serious consideration. Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

I stopped eating piggies a lot of years ago. I was in a restaurant eating gammon and realised I didn't really like it. A few months later I was going out with a girl who moved to a pig farm. I stopped eating pork on my first visit. I don't want to eat anything that eats food that's fallen its own, and its mate's, poop.

Filthy animals. The old testiment, Tanakh, and Koran have that one right.

I'm minimalist. I have what we absolutely need, what makes life easier, and what I really want. The microwave and air fryer, much as we can do without them, make life easy, thus are good moves.

It also means my computers, phones, and radios are within my boundries - Some make life easier, and others are pure pleasure.

My essential rule boils down to the advantages in buying something. If there aren't enough, it stays on the shelf.

We don't have a bed - we have a Japanese style futon. Not only was it far cheaper than a bed, and very easy to move around, but I've never slept so well in my life.

We don't have a sofa or armchairs - We simple don't need them. The kids have beanbags for when they want to watch TV. I put a TV in the bedroom for my wife. She wanted a smart TV with all the expensive crap, but a simple TV with one of the Chromebooks the kids used for covid online lessons works better.

EV (cars) are out because price against use just doesn't add up.

EV bikes are in - see above, but the maths work out very nicely over ICE.

However, my EV bike means I use my car even less, thus changing to a battery car is even less likely.

Full solar at home is too difficult at the moment, but a single AC run from solar in daylight hours is a possibility. I will install that myself as doing so will reduce costs significantly, and I will enjoy doing it. I did work out the investment costs against savings some while ago. It looked pretty good, but I will have to do it again against current prices. (electrician's joke there - did you see it?)

As for the pro and anti politics of EV and solar, it's all vested interests of whatever sort so they can go forth and multiply in the English slang sort of way.

Should I ignore Fred? Or retaliate? Ignore is far easier when it comes to thin skinned kids that run home and cry when it didn't go their way.

Ignore wins for me.

Steve.

Back on topic. Perhaps some should reread this thread  in totality and not get into Capitan Underpant's off topic rhetoric.

A refresher, the PHEV that we purchased was the same or in some cases far cheaper compared to the equivalent same sized conventional ICE products offered by the competition and my add on is that what we purchased is European style and finishes and the tech on top.

I researched EV's for years and PHEV was the way to go for us, all our local trips and running around? Plug it into the solar when you get home or every second day, free from the sun.

The math on Stand alone solar systems I also did for years and my math dictated a 15 to 18% ROI. Now? Pleasantly surprised by the over 23% ROI and my 6 to 7 year ROI is now under 5 years. Make it, use it and a reason why we went PHEV for a set of wheels

If we were on the grid I would still be running a conventional car and not super charged undergarments.

In both cases the money sitting in the bank earning 5% and taxable is now 4.8% and the reason why we invested in solar and PHEV.

Kind of reminds me of the old days when cars first came on the scene and the non believers were sprouting if you go over 40 MPH you will die.

Cheers, Steve.