Foreign restaurants, chains, franchises- Are they ruining HCMC?

You're not even making sense.

jonnybgood wrote:

Socialist Extrovert wrote:

Without knowing the initial expenditures and calories these are just numbers.  Out of how many dollars and calories initialily?

This is the kind of data presentation that people who actually work with data recognize as deliberate deception.  I could sat "armospheric CO2 rose by 100 parts per million" but if you don't know what it was before, 10 ppm or 500 ppm, it's a meaningless figure.  It just so happens we already know it was 13%.  Which doesn't sound like much, and isn't, whiile "18.4 billion calories" sounds like oooooh aaaaaah.

And as I said, 13% reduction in 32 years, I would call that "failure."  You could achieve a lot LOT more with a good public information campaign about proper nutrition habits; the USA once had such campaigns and has them no longer.  I wonder why.  One thing I like about Vietnam is that it does have PICs, even including exhorting people to have fewer kids and to do their part to keep the city clean.  They don't seem to be working too well.

& yet - Quebec still has the lowest rate of childhood obesity in the country. Strange coincidence.

But thanks for highlighting this useful study- I'll further reference it in class, to friends, teachers etc.

Here's a suggestion (as it was you who stubbornly highlighted the study to begin with & who seem to be in a desperate corner trying to defend advertising to children with ambiguous rhubarb ).
Why don't you read the report (here's the link-)
https://www.ama.org/Documents/fast_food_consumption.pdf
And then write a detailed essay refuting it. Address it to: 
*Professor Tirtha Dhar- University of British Columbia.
*Professor Kathy Baylis- University of Illinois.
Explain to them why their study is so terribly utterly wrong. I'm sure they'd love to hear from someone who can't manage posting on an Expat.com site without being constantly banned. Perhaps then- after you have corresponded - when you have some concrete evidence & justification as to why it's such a worthless, useless & 'deliberately deceptive' study, people will not be so naturally inclined to thinking of you as an entire ass.   

Did someone say his name was chris or something? - Nauseating.
(I won't be responding to that oxygen thief again)

Based on Michelle Obamas latest campaign
http://freebeacon.com/michelle-obama-pu … n-schools/
I'd say the US government has realised that fast/junk food advertising to children has become a serious enough health problem to address directly on a national level. Must be stopping workers productivity as well as filling up the hospitals. But there is No reason why Vietnam shouldn't be aware of this campaign too. Especially as fast food is now becoming a major component of young peoples consciousness. I find many of my younger students seem to respect the Obamas- So perhaps their stance against advertising to children and their focus on healthy eating will further encourage them to stop eating at these chains. Any thoughts Jademan?

I'll beat that

jimbream wrote:

jonnybgood wrote:

Socialist Extrovert wrote:

Without knowing the initial expenditures and calories these are just numbers.  Out of how many dollars and calories initialily?

This is the kind of data presentation that people who actually work with data recognize as deliberate deception.  I could sat "armospheric CO2 rose by 100 parts per million" but if you don't know what it was before, 10 ppm or 500 ppm, it's a meaningless figure.  It just so happens we already know it was 13%.  Which doesn't sound like much, and isn't, whiile "18.4 billion calories" sounds like oooooh aaaaaah.

And as I said, 13% reduction in 32 years, I would call that "failure."  You could achieve a lot LOT more with a good public information campaign about proper nutrition habits; the USA once had such campaigns and has them no longer.  I wonder why.  One thing I like about Vietnam is that it does have PICs, even including exhorting people to have fewer kids and to do their part to keep the city clean.  They don't seem to be working too well.

& yet - Quebec still has the lowest rate of childhood obesity in the country. Strange coincidence.

But thanks for highlighting this useful study- I'll further reference it in class, to friends, teachers etc.

Here's a suggestion (as it was you who stubbornly highlighted the study to begin with & who seem to be in a desperate corner trying to defend advertising to children with ambiguous rhubarb ).
Why don't you read the report (here's the link-)
https://www.ama.org/Documents/fast_food_consumption.pdf
And then write a detailed essay refuting it. Address it to: 
*Professor Tirtha Dhar- University of British Columbia.
*Professor Kathy Baylis- University of Illinois.
Explain to them why their study is so terribly utterly wrong. I'm sure they'd love to hear from someone who can't manage posting on an Expat.com site without being constantly banned. Perhaps then- after you have corresponded - when you have some concrete evidence & justification as to why it's such a worthless, useless & 'deliberately deceptive' study, people will not be so naturally inclined to thinking of you as an entire ass.   

Did someone say his name was chris or something? - Nauseating.
(I won't be responding to that oxygen thief again)

Based on Michelle Obamas latest campaign
http://freebeacon.com/michelle-obama-pu … n-schools/
I'd say the US government has realised that fast/junk food advertising to children has become a serious enough health problem to address directly on a national level. Must be stopping workers productivity as well as filling up the hospitals. But there is No reason why Vietnam shouldn't be aware of this campaign too. Especially as fast food is now becoming a major component of young peoples consciousness. I find many of my younger students seem to respect the Obamas- So perhaps their stance against advertising to children and their focus on healthy eating will further encourage them to stop eating at these chains. Any thoughts Jademan?

.
I'll beat that

It is diet and education

Tran Hung Dao wrote:

. "And I'm too lazy to cook on weekends."

That pretty much sums up the number one cause of obesity, wouldn't you say? Man has been getting fatter since the invention of the wheel. To put all the blame on fast food is an erroneous claim. Is making a hamburger at home any healthier?

Let's face it society has been getting lazier and lazier. When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's we spent all our time outside playing. Today kids do not leave their homes. They are too busy facebooking, playing video games, and texting.

Do you think eliminating fast food is going to solve the problem when it will just be replaced by some other convenient food? I am quite sure Doritos, Spaghettios, and frozen microwave TV dinners are just as bad for you.

"It's pretty clear to me (and others) that this person used to call himself IOS freelancer, then he morphed into Clock DVA, then Spahn Ranch and now he's using the handle socialist extrovert. It's the same dude. Chris Fox? Whoever you are and whatever your username du jour is, I'm going to christen you a new name, which I rather like: "Little corporate suck-up boy."
You are the caped crusader for rapacious trans-nationals, always ready to go to battle for your masters. I don't want to waste too much time eviscerating your arguments, and I can understand why johnnybgood is done with you."

Just think if IOS freelancer aka Clock DVA aka Spahn Ranch aka socialist extrovert aka Chris Fox used his keen mind, wily intellect and awesome vocabulary to do good. May the force be with him!

I do believe wrote:

"It's pretty clear to me (and others) that this person used to call himself IOS freelancer, then he morphed into Clock DVA, then Spahn Ranch and now he's using the handle socialist extrovert. It's the same dude. Chris Fox? Whoever you are and whatever your username du jour is, I'm going to christen you a new name, which I rather like: "Little corporate suck-up boy."
You are the caped crusader for rapacious trans-nationals, always ready to go to battle for your masters. I don't want to waste too much time eviscerating your arguments, and I can understand why johnnybgood is done with you."

Just think if IOS freelancer aka Clock DVA aka Spahn Ranch aka socialist extrovert aka Chris Fox used his keen mind, wily intellect and awesome vocabulary to do good. May the force be with him!

Read back and at least two of those monikers say the CEOs of the fast food chains belong in the gas chamber.  The very epitome of corporate suck-up.

As for the tiresome dual identity crap, there is a much more evident one in progress here.  Two two virulent champions of a return to hunter-gatherer lifestyle not only write exactly alike, they praise each other effusively.

I don't like fanatics.  They're really boring.

Parmyd wrote:

Tran Hung Dao wrote:

. "And I'm too lazy to cook on weekends."

That pretty much sums up the number one cause of obesity, wouldn't you say? Man has been getting fatter since the invention of the wheel. To put all the blame on fast food is an erroneous claim. Is making a hamburger at home any healthier?

Let's face it society has been getting lazier and lazier. When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's we spent all our time outside playing. Today kids do not leave their homes. They are too busy facebooking, playing video games, and texting.

Do you think eliminating fast food is going to solve the problem when it will just be replaced by some other convenient food? I am quite sure Doritos, Spaghettios, and frozen microwave TV dinners are just as bad for you.

I've been on political forums since at least 1994 and I've seen my share of uninformed people putting on this been-there / done-it-all shtick thousands of times but you are probably the most singularly uninformed lout I have run across yet.

If "man [had been] getting fatter since the invention on the wheel," we'd all be James Earl Hughes by now, topping off at 1,069 pounds.  It was not technology nor affluence that led to the recent surge in obesity, it can clearly be traced to one and one change only: the elimination under the free market approach of ethical considerations in business.  The same grotesque and immoral thinking that led tobacco companies to lie about cancer to keep fattening the shareholders with money operates in the boardrooms of McDonald's and Coca-Cola.  They don't care it kids get fat or lose the legs to diabetes from consuming their product; they brush all that aside with a few smarmy scolds about "personal responsibility" and then go back to running lawsuits against school systems trying to ban pop machines from their public premises, and finding ways to bypass good nutritional judgment to buy more of their oily, greasy food.  Here, have some grease-drenched fries with that.

Now they're doing it in Saigon, where I'm not so concerned for reasons that have been stated many time.

I would say you don't know what you're talking about but I suspect that deliberately lying is mixed in there too.

jademan wrote:

Socialist Extrovert wrote:

You're not even making sense.

It's pretty clear to me (and others) that this person used to call himself IOS freelancer, then he morphed into Clock DVA, then Spahn Ranch and now he's using the handle socialist extrovert. It's the same dude. Chris Fox? Whoever you are and whatever your username du jour is, I'm going to christen you a new name, which I rather like: "Little corporate suck-up boy."
You are the caped crusader for rapacious trans-nationals, always ready to go to battle for your masters. I don't want to waste too much time eviscerating your arguments, and I can understand why johnnybgood is done with you.
You hate Vietnamese coffee. We get it. OK? Interesting that you keep harping on this subject, even though nobody here, myself included, ever tried to defend street coffee. But you try to impose a false dichotomy. It's either horrific street coffee, or Starbucks. Sorry, LCSUB, but I don't buy into that line of reasoning. There's plenty of good coffee here, if you're willing to put in the time to search it out. I'm sure that we could even put some pressure on Highlands, Trung Nguyen and others to increase their offerings of quality Arabica beans. But you, LCSUB, would rather just go to Starbucks. Knock yourself out, and enjoy your biodegradable cup. Oh, you just hated it when the poster called your precious SB coffee insipid. Yeah, I think he DOES know what the word means.
As for the statistical debate about Quebec, I'm glad it was posted and it's worth studying. As others have pointed out, it's certainly not a 'junk' statistic. Any time you are doing experiments and collecting statistics out in the real world, as opposed to a laboratory, there's room for error. But to dismiss it offhand? C'mon, corporate boy. We know advertising works. A massive increase in advertising usually will correlate to an increase in consumption. Why would the inverse be different? Sao Paulo Brazil, one of the biggest cities in the world, banned ALL outdoor advertising many years ago. Perhaps they were onto something?
You're just here to start fights, corporate boy. You obviously enjoy it.

You through?  You through?  Now breath in and out of a paper bag for a few minutes until your head stops spinning.

You have managed to misrepresent everything I've said except one .. I don't like Vietnamese street coffee, but then you've omitted the reason I don't like it, which is because it barely has any coffee in it.  It's made from other ingredients and tastes so bad that most people have to drown it in sugared milk to choke it down at all.

I do drink it, for the caffeine, but the coffee I have next to my Mac right now comes from one of the Vietnamese coffee roasters who don't use 60% corn and soy to bulk it up like the Chinese do with exported meat, or melamine in animal food.  So, great, of all I've written you just skim and see "doesn't hate Starbucks" and put me alongside the lobbyists.

You are a fool.

I'm on record in decades of political writing as vehemently anti-corporate, I would put the CEOs of the tobacco and fast food industries on trial for causing the deaths of millions and I would personally pull the lever that did the plop plop fizz fizz and if I had my way, my face would be their last image as the gas paralyzed their cardiac muscles.

Yet you come away from my writing saying I'm shilling for corporations?  This is about seven miles past "poor reading comprehension."  You need a psychologist.  Or maybe a neurologist.  Or maybe a total reformat and reinstall.

Don't bother me anymore.  I think I'll have dinner at Burger King tonight, though, and I'll tell them my name is yours.

"As the World Turns" - right here in SaigonTrouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in Ho Chi Minh City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Phun (fun),
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in Ho Chi Minh City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones moral
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

By the way, I'm a bit slow so could you all please name names when you are dumping on someone so I can keep track.

Mr Fantastic wrote:

One day (hopefully not), HCM will resemble Hong Kong, Bangkok, Manila and many other cities in Asia and South East Asia.

Truly sad.

It's convulsing as we write. It is absolutely incredible what Saigon has morphed into in the last 7 years. When I came here nobody was wearing helmets and banh mi ooplah and a drink was 8000VND. There were lots of bicycles and few cars. Now with the headlong rush to imitate the US and the immature spending habits of the nouveau riche Saigon has forever changed. This uniquely Vietnamese metropolis is something not quite definable. Nevertheless there are still pockets of the interesting times here and there. It's astounding - Time is fleeting, Madness takes its toll. But listen closely - not for very much longer, drinking those moments when it would hit me - The void is calling.

Uh-oh ...

http://saigoneer.com/saigon-news/1687-v … irst-month

That's some major ruination.