overstaying

king123225 wrote:

i overstayed in brazil for health reason and back to egypt i get maximam fine of 10000 real i am planing to pay but the embassey dont allow me the veisa so i can pay when i arrive so how i can pay this penelty in order to get the visa .nowing the penelty had to be paid in personal upon arrival. if any one can help solving this matter

If you know someone in Brazil, you or he can download the GRU online and pay the fine at Banco do Brasil. He can then send you the receipt to be presented to the Brazilian Consulate with your passport and other requirements to obtain the visa.

robal

king123225 wrote:

my application dont get denied they tell me i had to pay the penelty i answered them i attend to pay in arrival as i told befor i left brazil.but the consulate said pay first.i said give me the pasport he give to me without excepting or denieng.i think i need expert lawyer to guide me throught this bcz i love women in brazil too

Then you were denied on the basis of your outstanding fine:  if they won't give you a visa, or refuse to consider your application, that's a denial.

In that case, your best bet is to follow Robal's advice, work with your Brazilian girlfriend to pay the fine in Brazil, and present the Embassy with proof of payment the next time you apply.

Immigration lawyers are hard to find in Brazil; it's not a popular specialty.   If your girlfriend can find you one, that can end up costing you as much as or more than the fine - and you still may end up having to pay the fine anyway.

Texanbrazil wrote:

King
Listen to the answers. You have to pay when entering. Need to find someone to pay and send receipt. Does not mean you will be allowed. PF has final say, not Embassy/consulate. Two separate entities.
If you can not get visa because you overstayed, sorry you are at the mercy of PF.
Never break the laws.

Nice argument Tex. The maximum fine is R$10000. You can pay that upon or before entrance. But how about if someone overstayed like for 5 years? I haven´t seen anyone went to jail yet or sent back home  with no possibility of coming back after paying the fine. I wonder if they have already refused entry to someone where the gravity of the previous offense or contempt of overstay is to such magnitude that PF had to put him back to the next plane home.

robal wrote:

The maximum fine is R$10000. You can pay that upon or before entrance. But how about if someone overstayed like for 5 years? I haven´t seen anyone went to jail yet or sent back home  with no possibility of coming back after paying the fine. I wonder if they have already refused entry to someone where the gravity of the previous offense or contempt of overstay is to such magnitude that PF had to put him back to the next plane home.

That was why I asked how long the original overstay was (unfortunately,no answer to that one).  Most of the cases we see here seem to be from people with multiple use visas, phrased as either "180 in every 365 days" or "90 in every 180 days".  The visa for Egyptians appears to be 90 days, single use, no extensions.  In addition, where most Brazilian consular visa pages require at least generic proof of financial means to cover the entire trip to Brazil, the Cairo page actually sets a metric:  "As a reference, the applicant must have approximately US$ 150.00 per day available to cover expenses."  That's a pretty high bar, particularly for someone already starting with a debt of  R$10,000 ($2,448.31 US, at today's exchange rate).

If the 2018 overstay was much more than 10 days, the Embassy may have concluded that the risk of a second overstay is more than getting the R$10,000 is worth, especially while the R$10,000 is still outstanding.