How safe is driving through Mexico
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WaukeenahWonder
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Waukeenah Wonder:)
but never again...crossed into reynosa just at dawn...thinking wanted to get out of border area asap...and i guess we went TOO early...got stopped within a half block..by local crooked traffic cop, who was very demanding, very aggressive, basically said, you can pay me right now...or i will just hold you here until 10am when the cartel people show up and they shoot people here all the time...i have a street smart local husband...and still we paid $300...then he so graciously showed us the right road out of town...then in tampico, same day stopped 4 more times by crooked local traffic cops...threatened at length, tow truck in position, took a few things out of the suv...kept hus and i seperated, talking thousands of dollars...one even escorted us to an atm...which would not give us cash...oddly they accepted that...ended up a total of $615 dollars in bribes to get from reynosa to tuxpan..the cops even wrote their car number and color code...saying when you get stopped by the next cop...just tell them you paid and show them my car # written in the dust on your hood (doesn't work either)....the rest of the way south... lots of polite, respectful stops by military and feds all the way down to oaxaca...theory is 1.....it was near dia de los muertos...and local traffic cops are known to look for extra $ for their "taco" around holidays...our fault...2..car was conspicuous...and sorry to say, ours was older than yours...just having usa plates on an old suv makes it conspicuous...3. tampico is an oil rig town...not a tourism town...so no concern about affecting the tourism...by contrast in 23 years...never been shook down by a cop in oaxaca...or even pick pocketed...4...it's just getting a little more like the wild west in mexico...everyone looking for a little chance to take advantage...
so dear...the advice to go, but don't go in fear...? well, yes and no...make sure you don't over pack the car, you may find yourself unloading it all so the cops can make a mess and accuse you of not paying your fair entry tax on it's contents...(we had our receipt showing we paid an extra tax at to officials at a check point just outside of reynosa...and our crooked cops just shrugged that off,,,you cheated,,,you didn't show them everything...once you cheat here in mex...well...you are going to jail, we are taking the car and all the contents and it will cost you thousands to get this resolved...they were very disappointed with my many books in english, and trashed my paintbrushes...but stole a bottle of liquor and a couple of small tools...to which i just kept saying, come on...this is mostly used household stuff...no arms, no drugs, no electronics...grandma was cold so we brought her a heater...don't you have something more important to do....then i tried to change the subject, get friendly with one of them...so really this road is confusing...which should we take to get to tuxpan...he laughed...said you're not going to make it to tuxpan tonight or anytime soon, we're taking you in...then husband finally said...after frisking him, kinda roughing him up,,,but no real injury...he said...look take me in, i have nothing to give you, already been hit 4 times, even the atm won't give me money, we are both american citizens...take us in and we'll figure it out with the judge...they started to get more agitated and let him come over to talk to me...i stayed in the car the whole time they had him out w/ 5 cops around him...so he says the cops told him i agreed to give them 3000...usdollars...he told them that's crazy, don't have it...the cops told me husband agreed to 1000 usd...i told them that's crazy we don't have that...all the while i kept our laptop and camera and my purse between my legs in the car...and they never took them or asked for them...we had some cash hidden in the computer bag...and finally gave them 300...they patted us on the @%#$ and off we went...
i have never been afraid driving in mex before...loved it ...not anymore...if we could find a way not to drive out next month, i would do it in a minute...but current advise is go on the biggest toll roads...don't stop in any small town...pack light so if you have to gun the engine..you have more power...bless yourself, the car, the road, etc...and do what you have to do...but keep your eyes open, but not drawing attention...or...fly....again...major TOLL roads down the middle...not just major hwys...sigh...not looking forward to it...and hard to see things deteriorate like this...cuts us off from so many lovely people we used to meet along the way...sigh...good luck..be well, be prepared and calm and strong....
mjplatt wrote:I now take the bus from Houston (where I live) ...., you can take the bus all the way from Houston and feel quite secure.
@ mjplatt: I'm interested in your bus route and company. We live in Southern Mexico and most recently, we fly to Juarez and cross in taxi, but this time are thinking of taking the bus from Monterrey to Houston as my truck is currently parked there.
Can you give me some more info on the bus lines you have used and what destinations, etc.?
Thanks in advance for any info there.
Also, I've been driving down for years, though not recently as noted above. I also hear that it's gotten worse, but friends who drove back a few weeks ago in early March 2011 via the Veracruz coast had no problems in their RV.
my friends wrote:Were back in the USSA safe & sound, we had an easy trip, 3 days no problem, no missed topes, no narco- gangs, no bandito-policia around Tampico . It seems going through on a Saturday morning is best(cops maybe recovering from Friday night drunk). We saw no RVs on the road and when we got to the Emerald Coast and Nautla there was no sight of campers, trailers or RVs anywhere only a few local student tenters. Most of the military stops had guys with an electronic wand (looked like a small transistor radio) that was waved around vehicles apparently to check for drugs? Or guns? Or aliens?
When we approached Matamoros we saw more and more military trucks stopped with troops hiding under bushes and in ditches (usually just smoking or eating). About 20K south of the border we had a herd of 14 Federale police cars (all mustangs!) pass us heading south away from town at high speed.
I imagine that a safe trip depends on you, the value of your vehicle, and most of all, the route. The route we all take, from Reynosa/Matamoras down to Acayucan and then crossing the isthmus, seems to be ok still.
Edit: I just saw the newest post and may be wrong about the safety of the Texas> Veracruz> Oaxaca route, as it's the same as "ours". I plan on driving down one more time to bring another car (old) but besides that, buses and planes are becoming our choice. Traffic is dangerous in Mexico as well, more and more uneducated and untrained drivers on the road, passing blindly on curves and hills. No law, no control makes for a higher risk situation as the population grows. On the other hand, the highways are getting better and better.
Still doable, but. As far as the advice of those who drove years ago, well, times have changed and the scoundrels are on the rise now. It seems that more care and huevos and maybe sense of humor are required than ever. And luck.
Cheers,
Steve
I can't remember much detail, but...
Through Tamalipus, bypassing Tampico with the road that goes around. Then through Alamo,Veracruz bypassing Tuxpam and all that. There is a bypass now for Poza Rica also I think I remember. Then follow the 180? is that it? down the coast towards Veracruz, getting over onto the cuota just before Veracruz that goes around it. Cardel, I think it is. I remember a mess in there somewhere, similar to the one around Tampico, but... Then there is another quota in there that heads straight to Acayucan. From there, regular highway crossing the isthmus into Oaxaca and over to La Ventosa. From there, up or down the West coast as desired.
Hope that helps.
Waukeenah Wonder
Waukeenah in Florida! Once I get there I will write and let you know that we arrived safe.
The good news is that the overwhelming majority of Mexico is safer than the United States. Believe it.
No one stopped or searched us,
We had our permit on the windshield and visa, November we plan on going to PozA Rica Vercruz. Does anyone know if there autopista all the way from Reynosa to PozA Ricz?? Thank you
Apart from potential crime, the route South past Tampico, Poza Rica, etc has a lot of two-lane and small towns, which is slow, dangerous to be on and exposes you to more hassle. There are auto-pistas in small sections and around Veracruz especially, but there's a lot of slow highway on that route.
Taking our new route, Eagle Pass>Saltillo> Matehuala>Arco del Norte>Puebla was beautiful and easy. We were nervous the first day driving into Mexico after 8 years of just flying. But Aduana and Migra were easy on the border and interior checkpoint. We stopped and bought cheese from an Amish (or whatever they are) man with a very neat little farm and store. We asked him if things were peaceful around there. He said that more recently, pretty calm, but the previous few years had been scary. Ok..
As we got to the Saltillo area, I did realize that connecting to 59 from Laredo would be significantly quicker and still avoid most of Tamalipus. Next time. As the hours of good highway went on, no problems at all, We got enough confidence that we decided to drive into the evening to make it to Matehuala.
Just after dark, we came over a hill into a roadblock with a line of cars and trucks. We were quickly hiding the Garmin, good cell phones etc to avoid temptation and so almost got up to the stop before I got a look. It was a group of unmarked vehicles in the median and a few normally dressed men and an empty canopy setup for vehicles. They were passing everybody with a quick chat or just a wave. We came up, my Mexican wife and I The guy approaching was 50, slacks, very pleasant, shook my hand. Where from, where to? Lot of stuff in there what you got? Around then, I notice the guy standing just behind and to his side is dressed in all black, wearing a ski mask and a weapon. Hmm ....why is he the only guy in a mask? Who are these guys?
"Just the usual bunch of crap for living" was my typical answer about the loaded car (old Toyota wagon). "well, you need to pull over there and we'll see." he says.
I flinched. "No, but you don't understand. We went through the Aduana at the border, we saw the Aduana at the checkpoint and we are approved, and have permission for our vehicle, our stuff."
He looked at me for a loong minute and said, "well, I imagine you want to get down the road. Go on then."
Whew! What did we almost get into? Don't know. I'd had a few encounters like that 10-15 years ago too, always got out of them too. Anyway, 1 km after that, we see a highway patrol office just full of marked cars, no signs of life though. Then we see four state police around three semis pulled over . Then at the Pemex we see two truckloads of armed state police. All within 5 km of that road block.
Rest of the trip to Oaxaca was uneventful.
By the way, our Garmin for Mexico was very helpful, but no, don't trust. Always verify and make your own route decisions and just use it as an active map. Not nearly as good as google, say.
So, you have business or family in Poza Rica? Otherwise, I wouldn't recommend it. If so, I'd be looking at taking 57 down and see if there's an autopista from DF to Poza Rica (I think) that you can catch. Otherwise, I'd look further South for good destinations or stopovers.
I feel very safe and have found everyone very helpful.
thanks
Sandy
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FelipeZapata wrote:The area just south of Reynosa has a particularly bad reputation. Were I in your shoes, I would drive a bit farther up the line and cross at Laredo. But no matter where you cross, strictly obey the speed limit until you get a good bit south of the border area. Stopping "speeders" is a favorite ruse.
The good news is that the overwhelming majority of Mexico is safer than the United States. Believe it.
Three things I can totally agree with. One is rethink all of the stuff, for the most part old pots, pans, and T.V.'s are just making things riskier, taking up space, and not worth loading into your vehicle. They can easily be replaced, and believe it or not they may cost less. There are places like Mercadolibre where you can order just about anything.
We returned to Mexico 5 months ago. The route was thoroughly planned using crime statistic maps. Which meant we avoided places like Tijuana or Juarez. Other than a flat tire due to pot holes we had no problem. Give yourself plenty of time to make it to the next town before dark , and stay on the toll roads which are much safer and there will be help if you have a breakdown or flat. The road crew came to change our flat with in 10 minutes. That's part of what your toll fee pays for. It's better as Felipe says to go to a safer crossing, and over all Mexico is safer than the U.S.
Remember to travel only in daylight and stay on the toll roads. (They're marvellous). Much of the journey is boring in either case so make sure the youngsters have things to occupy themselves with.
Try to stay on the Quota roads they are safer and provide road service for break downs included in the toll fee. Be sure you have lots of pesos for those tolls. They don't do U.S., and make sure you get a import sticker when you cross the border that could cost 2-$300 U.S., but they refund the money when the vehicle is returned to the U.S.
You can also get Mexican auto insurance at the border on in advance on the internet. U.S. really won't cover you. It's pretty safe to drive other than the potholes and speed bumps you should be fine. I cross one of the borders at least every 6 months so I have been between Nogalas and the Yucatan numerous times. Have a box of Kleenex, or a roll of toilet paper for bathroom breaks. Toilet paper is not a guarantee.
Do you speak Spanish ? if not try to learn key phrases like lleno con What ever type gas you use. ( fill it with ...) There are some free translators for kindle that don't require internet which could help with basics.
Good luck
Tolls are high, so have plenty of cash in pesos handy.
Some of the toll plazas have parking areas with a convenience store and restrooms.
They are clean and safe and if there's no toilet paper an attendant should be able to get some.
If not, the convenience store sells it.
Almost every Pemex (gas) station has a convenience store. Again, if there isn't any toilet paper or attendant, the convenience store sells toilet paper.
The toll roads are expensive but they are so much faster and smoother that the savings in gas and maintenance make them the preferred alternative.
All of the driving I've done in Mexico has been in a fairly new but far from luxurious compact or mid sized car. Most of it has been on toll roads, but there have been some long stretches on secondary roads especially in the state of Michoacan, one of the drug capitals, to reach scenic, natural and cultural attractions with never a problem.
I can't make any guarantees but I suspect that danger is exaggerated by orders of magnitude in the press. That's not to say that it isn't higher than most of the US.
jiiliannrivera wrote:Okay thank you. I am also looking for specific information about which toll roads I will be taking are they pretty well marked.
I should probably leave these details to people who know the route.
My experience in trip planning has been that Google Maps always chooses toll roads to calculate the shortest drive time. You can add intermediate stops based on where you want to spend the night. Signage is excellent but there are times going through cities on surface streets where you can easily miss the sign to the toll road.
Google Maps Street View might solve that problem by showing you landmarks.
A smartphone, Mexican chip and data package plus Google maps on the phone might be a good investment. If you don't speak Spanish, it might take help from someone buying the chip and data package.
Between booking and google you should be able to make a plan that will make you comfortable.
If you go to the Lucerna they will be more than willing to advise also. As far as the roads go the signs will give you options of the Quota or Libre routes. It has been rare when that option was not clear. Unlike the U.S. the road signs do not repeat and repeat themselves. Often a sign will post something only once or twice before the turn off so stay vigilant. A GPS is pretty much useless except for the major roads. There will be a sign for Hermosillo not far from the border.
As for the toilet paper it's kind of late to go to the OXXO attached to the Pemex when you rush in to the bathroom. It's also possible that that Pemex is one of the lesser Pemexs that does not have a store as yet and is selling toilet paper at 3 pesos a piece in front of the bathroom. Not all Quota crossings have bathrooms, most do, but not all. I would rather have paper I know the history of so I always have a roll on the floor.
As for safety the roads are generally in pretty good repair ( Quotas), the driving is quite a bit more skilled than the U.S. and faster on the Quotas. The side streets can have killer pot holes and speed bumps which may or may not be marked so figure if you are coming into a town, really slow down, look for bump signs and observe the car ahead. If the car in front is signaling left on a straight away they are possibly suggesting that you pass them. It's one of the little habits here. They may also signal left while passing someone else, especially trucks.
As far as others go, the roads in Mexico are generally much safer than the U.S. as long as you give the border towns near Texas a very wide birth. You shouldn't be any where near them.
First I plan my trips to Cuenrnavaca as well as our adventurous trips to Oaxaca, Puebla, (Taxco) Guerrero, Vera Cruz and Chiapas using toll roads. Occasionally we have to go part of the way without the security of the toll roads when they are not available. Probably more than 95% of our travel is on the toll roads. I plan travel from Texas to cross the border as early in the morning as is possible as long as the sun is at least coming up. I am never in a border town on the Mexico side at dark.
Second, we try to do most all of our driving during daylight hours. Many times I reach Mexico City at dark and will finish my one hour trip to Cuernavaca in the dark. The worst thing is driving through Mexico City. The traffic is horrible even at night and the signage is not as helpful as our signage in the states.
Third, don't look or act wealthy and be polite. In other words leave the diamond and gold jewelry at home or secure it where it would be difficult to find.
The most aggravating situation is when the state or local police stop you and make up infractions to get money from you. They usually start out asking for 5000 pesos and the 2 times it has happened to me I was able to convince them that I only had 1000 pesos or so in cash. That is all I ever have in my wallet. One other time I had just received a piece of paper indicating I had already paid an hour earlier and so I got by with enough for the police to buy a couple of "refrescos".
My experience with other stops has been good. Occasionally the military have check points where they have done a simple vehicle search. They have always looked very serious but never gave us any problem. I have been stopped by the federal police as well. They have always been friendly. They would check my passport etc. and send me on my way with a "muy amable" from the officers. I am sure to be polite and friendly to all officials no matter how ridiculous their claim.
I believe it also makes a difference if you can speak at least some Spanish. Finally, I would not travel without a cell phone from Mexico or at least one that works in Mexico. On the toll roads they have service for people in trouble. The number will be posted along the toll road. I have not had to use it but I understand it is free. If I had to use it I would most likely give the person coming to help a nice tip.
Have a nice trip.
"Healthy Living and Traveling in Mexico" eBook (amazon.com/Healthy-Living-Traveling-Mexico-Sunshine-ebook/dp/B00R6NTBKO)
Have a good trip!
Terry L. Turrell
Auto Mechanic wrote:No one can tell you for sure if it is safe or not safe to drive in Mexico. It is like asking is it safe to walk in Mexico? One day it may be safe, other day it may be not. It also depends on a place and time, at night it may be not safe, in the northern states closer to the US it may be not safe. But no one can reassure you that driving say in some places of Veracruz at night is safe, even for locals it may be not safe there.
And then again, it might very well be safe.
I'd say most of the million or so Americans living in Mexico have never had to fear for their safety.
Some of the locals in the city of Zacatecas have complained/talked/wrote about crime in the last 6 years.
I know of only 2, maybe 3 incidents that may have been associated with the drug violence plastered all over the US media.
Are there any guarantees? No.
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