Life of a woman in riyadh

Dan_the_13th wrote:

As i've said this was the first time I ever heard of heels being a bad thing, I mean come on, every girl I know wears heels, even Saudi and expats o:

Lots of bad Saudi girls wearing heels and ruining their health then!

:-)

Btwn-Fear-N-Hope wrote:

Your very welcome and god bless you too.

Separation only exists if there are men who are not related to the woman, guests. A married couple in Islam are considered to be closer than a garment to each other. A husband becomes even closer to his wife than any member of her family. If you think about it, your husband knows you intimately and should a relative walk in while your undressed your husband is the one that helps cover you.

I don't think that a practicing Saudi man who follows Islam correctly would abandon his wife's bed without there being a just cause. Leaving a wife's bed is something men do to show dissatisfaction in the relationship. Like in the west when a couple fall out, the man sleeps on the sofa.


There is no shame in the close family unit sharing the same environment what is considered shameful is when a husband brings his males friends round the house and requests his wife to entertain them. The wife would usually cook for her husbands guests, she would say Salam and then do her own thing  while her husband entertains his friends. Likewise if the wife has guests the husband usually does the shopping, he greets the friend if their paths cross and he leaves the house so the wife can catchup and entertain her friends.

Is this not dependent on the number of wives the Saudi husband has? If he has more than one he will not share the matrimonial bed with all at the same time so will leave one and move to another. As he has to treat all his wives equally.

In all other aspects there is very little difference between the way the west and the family here behave. If my wife wants a girly night in then I will not disturb them unless invited. Saudi families all eat at the same table so to speak as do western families.

The differences between here and the west are minimal just some appear more stark and noticeable.

Freshlikesushi wrote:

this is all EXTREMELY social based and not really islam based.

Martin Fin wrote:

Btwn-Fear-N-Hope wrote:

Your very welcome and god bless you too.

Separation only exists if there are men who are not related to the woman, guests. A married couple in Islam are considered to be closer than a garment to each other. A husband becomes even closer to his wife than any member of her family. If you think about it, your husband knows you intimately and should a relative walk in while your undressed your husband is the one that helps cover you.

I don't think that a practicing Saudi man who follows Islam correctly would abandon his wife's bed without there being a just cause. Leaving a wife's bed is something men do to show dissatisfaction in the relationship. Like in the west when a couple fall out, the man sleeps on the sofa.


There is no shame in the close family unit sharing the same environment what is considered shameful is when a husband brings his males friends round the house and requests his wife to entertain them. The wife would usually cook for her husbands guests, she would say Salam and then do her own thing  while her husband entertains his friends. Likewise if the wife has guests the husband usually does the shopping, he greets the friend if their paths cross and he leaves the house so the wife can catchup and entertain her friends.

Is this not dependent on the number of wives the Saudi husband has? If he has more than one he will not share the matrimonial bed with all at the same time so will leave one and move to another. As he has to treat all his wives equally.

In all other aspects there is very little difference between the way the west and the family here behave. If my wife wants a girly night in then I will not disturb them unless invited. Saudi families all eat at the same table so to speak as do western families.

The differences between here and the west are minimal just some appear more stark and noticeable.

your right about the polygamous marriage, thanks!

Btwn-Fear-N-Hope wrote:

As for saudi, they are a country and a people who sin like everyone else... if some smoke so does half the world, no1 said suadi was a gleaming example of islam!

rather than look at cultures and people, i as a muslim choose to look at the evidence found in the quran and the hadiths... now if you are interested we can have a discussion based on evidence, otherwise its argument for arguments sake which tbh i view as pointless.


i'm not the expert on heels and health, i merely gave an answer to a question based on islamic answers previously given by scholars. you can disagree and down saudi 'version' of islam, however the lady specifically asked for islam and saudi culture.

But my fiend you are in the UK and not here in Saudi so where is your authority to speak as a Saudi Muslim, surely this is your academic view of how things are?

O

Martin Fin wrote:

Btwn-Fear-N-Hope wrote:

As for saudi, they are a country and a people who sin like everyone else... if some smoke so does half the world, no1 said suadi was a gleaming example of islam!

rather than look at cultures and people, i as a muslim choose to look at the evidence found in the quran and the hadiths... now if you are interested we can have a discussion based on evidence, otherwise its argument for arguments sake which tbh i view as pointless.


i'm not the expert on heels and health, i merely gave an answer to a question based on islamic answers previously given by scholars. you can disagree and down saudi 'version' of islam, however the lady specifically asked for islam and saudi culture.

But my fiend you are in the UK and not here in Saudi so where is your authority to speak as a Saudi Muslim, surely this is your academic view of how things are?

O

if you read my original answer i made it clear i spoke from an islamic perspective and not a saudi one...

if your refering to my comments on saudis sinning, this is based on islam, because no human is perfect, nor can an entire nation be perfect.

Btwn-Fear-N-Hope wrote:

1:no. Muslim women socialise with women and men with men. Mixed congregations are islamically discouraged.

That isn't the Islamic way. Women in Islam are allowed to socialize with men, do trade by themselves and even mix out in the open, with Hijab.

So you should have added 'in Saudi'.

Who are you to give out such pointless fatwas? Wearing heels is not provocative, perhaps its just your messed up mind. The health issues are so less that their negligible...  Saudi Arabia is on the extreme, you can take example of how Iran follows the basic principal of Islam.

p.s I'm not Shia.

EDIT: one more thing..

    Btwn-Fear-N-Hope wrote:

    1:no. Muslim women socialise with women and men with men. Mixed congregations are islamically discouraged.

That isn't the Islamic way. Women in Islam are allowed to socialize with men, do trade by themselves and even mix out in the open, with Hijab.

So you should have added 'in Saudi'.

Hi Dan,You see I asked for information directed to the KSA. At no time I did talked about Islam. Because we know that in Islam women can work and study and participate in communion with men, everything is permitted with modesty, prudence, guard, modesty. But we know that in ARABIA LAW diverts to stricter us commandments other Arab countries. I study Islam, but the questions are about the Country Saudi Arabia and NOT the Islam, Because we know that some interpretations are extremists in KSA, compared to other Arab countries.
I'm not criticizing I am adding my comment because been diverted the subject of this topic.

Dan_the_13th wrote:

I'm sorry Harmonie..

@fear-N

Who are you to give out such pointless fatwas? Wearing heels is not provocative, perhaps its just your messed up mind. The health issues are so less that their negligible...  Saudi Arabia is on the extreme, you can take example of how Iran follows the basic principal of Islam.

fatwa from a sufi site on high heel: http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index … &Id=113276
conclusion? a woman should not wear them except in front of her husband or when being in company of women only

fatwa from a shia site http://www.askthesheikh.com/are-women-a … ing-noise/

"anything which draws attention to a woman's beauty should be avoided" and "if wearing high heels (that is seen as higher than what ladies normally wear) draws attention and reveals some hidden parts of a woman’s body, it should be avoided."

personally i would say making your ass stick out and hips sway is showing off parts of your body that would otherwise be less obvious.

and from salafi site: http://islamqa.info/en/ref/26215

all this proves that it is not an islamic ruling which is exclusive to saudi arabia or even one sect within islam. and I do not issue fatwas im not qualified- as i said before i was merely sharing my ideas from an islamic perspective.

Btwn-Fear-N-Hope wrote:

1:no. Muslim women socialise with women and men with men. Mixed congregations are islamically discouraged.
That isn't the Islamic way. Women in Islam are allowed to socialize with men, do trade by themselves and even mix out in the open, with Hijab.

So you should have added 'in Saudi'.

please make a distinction between trade/necessary contact and socialising which is done for pleasure, and then please show me one example within prophetic narrations in which women from the companions chilled-out (socialised) with men from the companions- bearing in mind the starter of the thread was asking if a muslim woman can socialise with her husbands friends.


shia site on free mixing (socialising) http://www.world-federation.org/Secreta … munity.htm

sufi site on free mixing: http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index … d&Id=87310

and salafi site on free mixing : http://islamqa.info/en/ref/158651/free%20mixing

still only a saudi issue???

Harmonie wrote:

Hi everyone, to note that Expat.com is a platform for exchange,  please avoid arguing.

Thanks,
Harmonie.

im sorry if my posts come across as argumentative i was aiming at being informative and inviting discussion by requesting we have a meaningful dialogue based on evidence, i was not angry at any point and was enjoying the exchange of knowledge and ideas.

m.b.m88 wrote:

Salaam,
How is the life of a Muslim wife, middle class or upper middle class?

that depends on the $$$ u have

m.b.m88 wrote:

1. they can hang out with friends, as also Westerners does?

Yes they can, the best spots are restaurants (mcdolands? lol but assaraya!) and parks like Nadah,Nasira and I can't remember the third's name but its near Malik Fahad's library and Talih'ya st.

m.b.m88 wrote:

2. they can make dinners at home and share the same the home environment?

Yeah, why not?

m.b.m88 wrote:

4. women can walk freely inside the house when the husband receives a visit from his friends?

If your husband doesn't mind, and why would he? Its your home!

m.b.m88 wrote:

5. It allowed colored clothes?

Yeah it is, although if you go outside everyone will stare you like crazy so it would be better to wear the dull ol' black aba'ya

But one last thing, it depends on the openness of your husband tho, so you should ask some of these questions to him first.

I thought you would have been more open minded since you were not originally from Saudi but your posts show otherwise

Dan, please avoid this kind of unpleasant comment. Personal attacks are not appreciated on Expat.com. This kind of remark doesn't help anyone. This is our last warning.

BTW guys, I guess this is a thread for women. I may be wrong but shouldn't men stay apart from this thread ?