immigration in Manilla

23POSTS

10 years ago

I have a friend from Mindanao. Juliet Damalerio who was denied a boarding pass to Bangkok Thailand, despite fulfilling all the requirements necessary by Phillipino Immigration laws. They said she needed a guarantor from the Phillipines with a signed document from the Phillipino embassy in Thailand - Can anyone please help her with this problem xx — with Juliet Damalerio in Thailand.

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Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

From what I have read earlier, the person's employer could produce a certified letter confirming that they employed the person in a position in their company/school and of course proof of funds and payment of salary and this would be part of the documentation required to obtain a visa before leaving. This happens everywhere. If you don't have a valid visa to enter the country of destination of a flight - you don't get on the plane.

cthierrymk ViP

1418POSTS

10 years ago

How you want people help if she did not understand why they ask her for guarantor.

There is a list of questions asked to filipinoss and they must provide proof :
http://www.thaiembassymnl.ph/images/sto … n-form.pdf

What was the purpose of the visit in Thailand? did she work in Philipines ( pemanent job ) ? Did she have bank accout with money ? Did she book an hotel in Thailand ? return flight ticket ? etc...

Without clear understanding I can not see how somebody can help as they will ask this people the relastionship with your friend and the will not be able to answer any.

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

yes she had a return ticket, & the amount of money in her account required by law, however as I am not a Phillipino relative, they said that more was required i.e a guarantor here who is from the Phillipines & a something official to verify this at the phillipino embassy here in Bangkok

Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

Well it seems you actually know the answer and what to do then....... she needs a sponsor in Thailand who is from the Philippines..

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

officially a filipino doesn't need a visa to stay here 30 days - only 10000 baht, a 1620 peso tax & a return ticket - Juliet is not seeking employment

Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

She also needs all the proofs which are mentioned at the link above.

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

yes, that's what I'm hoping for - do u know anyone that has enough heart to want to help her with this ?

Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

Did you look at the link provided by experienced member cthierrymk? That confirms a visa or an entry permit questionnaire is actually required these days - see page 2 for additional requirements. I guess part of question 12. has to do with having a sponsor.

cthierrymk ViP

1418POSTS

10 years ago

#10

Graham H wrote:
yes, that's what I'm hoping for - do u know anyone that has enough heart to want to help her with this ?

You don't understand what is a guarantor (1), their responsibilities (2), the list of documents required (3), please read below :

(1) guarantor
It can be family/friends or business/enterprise
Not an anonymous people like you are trying to find, and the reason you will not find one is below

(2) responsibilities of the guarantor
The guarantor guarantees that he/she will cover your food and accommodation expenses while you are in Thailand.
The guarantor also guarantees that he/she will cover the state's expenses should you fail to leave Thailand when your visa expires so that the police have to deport you from the country.
You have a better chance of being granted a visa if you have someone to provide a guarantee for you. However, this does not mean that everyone who has a guarantor will be granted a visa.

(3) guarantor must provide many documents
The guarantor must complete a guarantee form for visits
The guarantor must bring the completed form to the police to have it stamped.
The guarantor must show:
passport or valid proof of identity with photo
last month’s pay slip
last year's tax return
bank statement
After this, the guarantor must send the original copy of the form to you who plan to apply.
You must complete the last part of the form and submit it together with your other application papers.

Sorry but this must be prepared in advance of the trip, your friend has certainly a past history airport police was able to check from her passport, you trust your friend but you don't know all her life, and as written above having a guarantor does not guarantee the visa will be granted.

Nobody will take risk to cover financially somebody they don't know, it is as risky as accepting a luggage at airport from anonymous people you have never met ( it can be a bomb or have drugs inside ).

Sorry mate, but you need to be realist and see the true life.

Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

#11

Just another British mug

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

#12

Thanks for your reply.Juliet is only an innoccent tourist.Ni crimunal record & the funds necessary by lawnShe has a return ticket.It appears that the 30 day stay for a fillipno requires a visa; although this is offficially unecessary

Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

#13

Graham - why are you not going to meet her in the Philippines then? That would have been more natural and simple wouldn't it?

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

#14

yes that may be necessary , but I may have employment problems. Also Juliet has about 25 days to rebook her flight - I am naive to life both in Thailand & the Phillipines, rather than a mere English mug, but she has been a part of my life, admittedly not in the flesh for 22 months & I have supported her attempts at small business's from England

Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

#15

So you are sending her money? One born every minute. As a Filipino she would know what were the requirements. You have to face the reality that she never intended to fly to Bangkok and does not want you to see what is going on in her home country..........

cthierrymk ViP

1418POSTS

10 years ago

#16

Graham H wrote:
Thanks for your reply.Juliet is only an innoccent tourist.Ni crimunal record & the funds necessary by lawnShe has a return ticket.It appears that the 30 day stay for a fillipno requires a visa; although this is offficially unecessary

30 days exempt of visa include philipines, the list of country can be found in the website of Ministry of Foreign Affairs : http://www.mfa.go.th/main/contents/file … 551809.pdf

That means this is NOT the reason, without checking all original papers yourself you will NOT understand the true reason.

By the way did you buy the flight ticket for her ? or did you send money to her to buy the ticket ? If you send money honestly it was a scam...even you met her before...I don't trust what she said to you...

Honestly 10,000 THB is not enough to live 30 days even hotel is already paid ( requirement to get Tourist Visa from Thai embassy in Paris is 1000 euros around 40,000 THB in your bank account )

Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

#17

Any sane person would want proof of everything and not be taken for a ride or made a fool of. When stories don't stack up, there is something more behind it.

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

#18

not true- she is still in Manilla - has left 3 children in the care of her sister & we speak regularly on Skype - don't be so cynical - life is more than just about money, Mate !

Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

#19

So why did this happen? Fly tomorrow to the Philippines? Most people would want this?

It is not being cynical - it is based on hundreds and thousands of similar cases.

cthierrymk ViP

1418POSTS

10 years ago

#20

Graham H wrote:
not true- she is still in Manilla - has left 3 children in the care of her sister & we speak regularly on Skype - don't be so cynical - life is more than just about money, Mate !

I live here you don't need visa for 30 days and you can go to the immigration to get an extension for 1900 THB for a further 30 days..

The reason given about 30 days is totally non sense, whichever you trust me or not, sorry

When you get the true reason why they refused her onboard you will understand but for the moment we are just turning around

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

#21

Both myself & Juliet are people u know nothing of - In the space of a about 90 minutes u have called me another English mug, told me that U are afraid to make a fool of yourself & that she is being consciously devious, & has been so over a period of 22 months - U r too arrogant for me to wish any further conversation with U . Mate - not a word I use to patronise - I came on here only hoping to help her in her present situation , & hope I find some kindness or intelligent advice, which your comments on the requirements of the guarators may be. Thank u

cthierrymk ViP

1418POSTS

10 years ago

#22

Anyway good luck, last message to you.......

Citizens of the Philippines are permitted to stay in Thailand up to 30 days if entering via international airport and up to 15 days if entering through a land border checkpoint from a neighboring country (Laos, Myanmar and Cambodia) under the Visa Exemption Rule.

Please note that you must be in possession of the following if you wish to visit Thailand:

A valid passport.
You will need a passport valid for at least 6 months following your departure date. It is also recommended that your valid passport have at least 2 remaining unused pages for any necessary entry and exit stamps that may be issued.

A confirmed travel itinerary
Proof of accommodation and funds of at least THB 10,000 per person and THB 20,000 per family.

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

#23

i have lived in Bangkok for abot 70 days - it is easy for me to get an extension here - there are unexpected difficulties at immigration for a girl from Surigao city, who has never flown anywhere before

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

#24

yes, she fulfilled all these requirements, but was still offloaded & she was not the only one- similar situation occurred to another fillipino called Mercy, who was offloaded at the airport with all the requirements by law fulfilled

Gravitas ViP

9040POSTS

10 years ago

#25

Really ?

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

#26

yes really - however I don't know u either, & I don't wish to judge u too quickly - I am a Mancunian, but family from Grimsby - I am intelligent & work here as an English teacher, but have a degree in maths from Bangor university - I have a mate in Chang Mei (?) called Barry Wells -Juliet is sincere- I know this - u cannot, if u are honest admit to knowing either me or her - if u want to be constructive, I would like to continue this conversation

ABCDiamond Serial expat

873POSTS

10 years ago

#27

Graham I answered your point on the other topic, and then saw this main one of yours.

There is a lot of confusion in the Philippines about travel requirements to Thailand.

Some girls are told they need a CFO even on a visitor visa, this has even been told by an inexperienced immigration officer. But the CFO is NOT needed for a tourist. Some are told they need a Visa, but in reality that's only for 30+ days. Although having one may be a good idea anyway.

Most girls who are nervous when being interviewed on leaving for Thailand, do stand a greater chance of not being allowed to leave the Philippines, to protect them from the human traffickers who operate in Thailand. It is mainly done for their protection, but also sometimes from the arrogance of an immigration official.

However, I have known some girls who have left Manila and had no problems going to Thailand for a 30 day visit (no Visa), but they were not alone and vulnerable (in the eyes of the Immigration officer).

A Visa is NOT compulsory, but I would consider getting one just in case, and to make it easier to cover some possible problems at immigration. They seem to be more lenient when they have a visa, although still get questioned/interviewed.

At least that way, the Manila immigration will know that you have covered all the requirements from Thailands point of view, which looks like it may include an affidavit of support.

Recent news articles with bits like this: "The discovery of 36 bodies at abandoned traffickers' camps (in Thailand) " do make some countries wary when letting single Filipinas leave for some countries.

Wimbleton Serial expat

385POSTS

10 years ago

#28

How old is this girl?

neneth Active member

32POSTS

10 years ago

#29

My daughter in law also got the same experience...got offloaded last month, my friend who has a friend in immigration help us...we pay 10k for erasure of offloaded mark onher passport in the system then 45k for escort...money can buy everything...now my daughther in law is working in china.

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

#30

She was 35 on the 4th July

Wimbleton Serial expat

385POSTS

10 years ago

#31

bottom line ... you must come to Manila to take her back with you .... It all goes away when they know you are with a foreigner ....

Graham H Member

23POSTS

10 years ago

#32

yes, Wimbleton, u r correct & this is perhaps the only solution

thailen Active member

38POSTS

10 years ago

#33

The best advice you can get is what the last person gave you. Fly to Manila, take her back. The chances of blocking her are 5%, regardless of all thosse documents and proof of enough money, etc. Philippine immigration is mainly interested in YOU and your ability to provide for her. Her age - 35 - is all the more reason you can bring her with you. Philippine immigration is always suspicious of young(18-30) filipinas thinking they are vulnerable to prostitution and want to protect them. It's a joke, of course; the llast thing Thailand needs are more prostitutes. I brought back two filipinas by going to the Manila airport and I urge you to do the same. Bring your bankbook with sufficient funds, just in case they ask about your work.

robertst Member

2POSTS

10 years ago

#34

Actually, I can help with this because I teach English for the Thai Govt employees and know many people at the immigration.
I also have a problem and want to know if I am blocked in ROP - the website has no email and no one answers the phone.
How would I know? I went to the ROP embassy and they said they can issue a visa but there is no way to know if immigration in Cebu has a block on me. Can anyone help me?

My email is physics.lnumsu@gmail.com - name is Robert Anthony Saint Denis
Thanks and send me an email and I will help you here in Thailand.

ABCDiamond Serial expat

873POSTS

10 years ago

#35

robertst wrote:
Actually, I can help with this because I teach English for the Thai Govt employees and know many people at the immigration.
I also have a problem and want to know if I am blocked in ROP - the website has no email and no one answers the phone.
How would I know? I went to the ROP embassy and they said they can issue a visa but there is no way to know if immigration in Cebu has a block on me. Can anyone help me?.

Why would you think you may be blocked in the Philippines?

With this thread itself, it isn't the Thailand Immigration that is any problem, it is the Philippine Immigration allowing people to leave or not, no matter where they are heading.