COVID-19 and expatriation in Hungary

Lastest about casinos in Vegas...If you don't get a vax as an employee then you must get a weekly PCR test.
I am so happy my son quit that industry.
Looks like you must surrender your body for a dollar.

Latest news from Vegas...
If you are an employee of a casino you must either get a vax or have a weekly PCR test to keep your job.
I am so happy my son quit that industry.
It's surrender your body for a buck to even make a living any longer.

Latest from Las Vegas is...
If you are a casino employee you must submit to a vax or have a weekly PCR test.
I am so happy my son quit the industry, he was offered the possistion of shift boss on the swing shift.
That is a stepping stone to becoming a casino manager.
He declined as he knew he would be leaving soon.
It's a sad state of affairs when it comes down to having to surrender your body for a paycheck.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Latest from Las Vegas is...
If you are a casino employee you must submit to a vax or have a weekly PCR test.
I am so happy my son quit the industry, he was offered the position of shift boss on the swing shift.
That is a stepping stone to becoming a casino manager.
He declined as he knew he would be leaving soon.
It's a sad state of affairs when it comes down to having to surrender your body for a paycheck.

It's going to become normal to demand that.   

It's a bit  exclusionary - some people cannot have the vaccine due to other conditions.

Perhaps it's not that bad - perhaps not having the vaccine due to other conditions would be treated as a disability or something like it.

On the other hand, not believing in vaccinations because of being a tin foil hat wearing QAnon supporter ain't going to give anyone a free pass.

What happened to the interesting views of guestposter? Admittedly a bit late reply or comment on my behalf. I think my behaviour is not outrageous if any if is too careful in protecting me and my wife (and in doing so others). In the meantime we got our first jab and will receive the next one before May.
As for shopping it is highly recommended to do so max once per week, when doing this once per month I would think it is even better.
On the own provision we are no farmers but get our portion of tomatoes, radish, salad, apples, various other fruits garlic etc.
I am sorry that I am decadent (or have sufficient funds (even if not abundant I have to say ))

I am still a bit upset on this comment, I know a few people who have contracted Covid (and were in hospital) and will have to live with the long term effects.
Social contacts should have (and still) been limited to an absolute minimum.

On the topic of buying massively, just an example (I do not only drink wine), we bought last September 300 bottles of sparkling water, still lasting. The same principle for dog food, cat food, canned food. (The latter two are starting to run out). We will get our second jab as mentioned by the end of April and call me naive by that time we will also not be infectious anymore (I hope).

Last year has not been easy on any of us, I tried my best with my wife to limit the impact. Classifying me as egocentric is probably true, but also adhering to rules where we can/could,

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Latest from Las Vegas is...
If you are a casino employee you must submit to a vax or have a weekly PCR test.
I am so happy my son quit the industry, he was offered the possistion of shift boss on the swing shift.
That is a stepping stone to becoming a casino manager.
He declined as he knew he would be leaving soon.
It's a sad state of affairs when it comes down to having to surrender your body for a paycheck.

Did I repeat myself enough? Actually yesterday when I tried to post this thought ex-pat was telling me they were not operating so I tried again and again...
Sorry for the repeat.
I saw a video stating that there are been a reported 10,000 deaths due to getting a vaccination .
7,000 cases in Europe with over 200,000 people have a negative reaction that has disabled them.
Who knows how sensitive a person's system might be to a foriegn substance crusing through their viens?
Nothing wrong with being a prepper.
My sisiter's first FIL was doing this in the 1960's. When he passed however she and her husband spent weekends cleaning out all the rusty tins from floor to ceiling in his garage.
My cousin in NM allowed her bi-polar brother to live with her and her husband.
He got a bit wild and being a "super prepper" he pulled his machine gun out and told them he might just take them out. Long story, he went into the mental hospital at the VA and now lives alone with his free rent apt. that the state provided for him. Not sure how "mental" he really is, perhaps just crazy like a fox.
Well when he was in the head farm that month , his sister cleaned out her spare bedroom. He had taken over half her house with his prepping without her permission, she had just given him one room of his own. No matter, she had floor to ceiling cans of food to remove.
Not sure if she donated them or tossed them out.
I think if I remember she stored them for her bro even though he pulled that stuff on her.
I had some Mormon friends in the past, it is part of their religion to have a years supply of food and water in case the "rapture" doesn't happen, well not sure what they believe in really, I know they do believe they are suppose to rule their own planets as Gods if they are perfect enough.
That's another topic though.
I wonder how many people are claiming it goes against their religion to get a jab?

cdw057 wrote:

What happened to the interesting views of guestposter? Admittedly a bit late reply or comment on my behalf. ....

Guestposter279 was a contributor called Kevin who owns or owned a vineyard down in Balaton.   

He seems to have a meltdown and deleted himself although he came back a while ago in another form but with revenge in his mind and probably got himself banned.

One of the things he didn't seem to get properly was the difference between banter, trolling and outright aggression.   There could have been a self-confidence issue.  None of us really know each other but it's possible to guess things in style and tone -  perhaps wrongly.   Reading between the lines, there may have been other going on with him we don't know about.

It's a shame really as I personally liked him, enjoyed his writings and I think we all miss his contributions.  I hope he comes back sometime after a period of renewal and reflection.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Latest from Las Vegas is...
If you are a casino employee you must submit to a vax or have a weekly PCR test.
I am so happy my son quit the industry, he was offered the possistion of shift boss on the swing shift.
That is a stepping stone to becoming a casino manager.
He declined as he knew he would be leaving soon.
It's a sad state of affairs when it comes down to having to surrender your body for a paycheck.

Did I repeat myself enough? Actually yesterday when I tried to post this thought ex-pat was telling me they were not operating so I tried again and again...
Sorry for the repeat.
I saw a video stating that there are been a reported 10,000 deaths due to getting a vaccination .
7,000 cases in Europe with over 200,000 people have a negative reaction that has disabled them.
Who knows how sensitive a person's system might be to a foriegn substance crusing through their viens?
Nothing wrong with being a prepper.
My sisiter's first FIL was doing this in the 1960's. When he passed however she and her husband spent weekends cleaning out all the rusty tins from floor to ceiling in his garage.
My cousin in NM allowed her bi-polar brother to live with her and her husband.
He got a bit wild and being a "super prepper" he pulled his machine gun out and told them he might just take them out. Long story, he went into the mental hospital at the VA and now lives alone with his free rent apt. that the state provided for him. Not sure how "mental" he really is, perhaps just crazy like a fox.
Well when he was in the head farm that month , his sister cleaned out her spare bedroom. He had taken over half her house with his prepping without her permission, she had just given him one room of his own. No matter, she had floor to ceiling cans of food to remove.
Not sure if she donated them or tossed them out.
I think if I remember she stored them for her bro even though he pulled that stuff on her.
I had some Mormon friends in the past, it is part of their religion to have a years supply of food and water in case the "rapture" doesn't happen, well not sure what they believe in really, I know they do believe they are suppose to rule their own planets as Gods if they are perfect enough.
That's another topic though.
I wonder how many people are claiming it goes against their religion to get a jab?

The Forum had a hiccup yesterday, lots of duplicate things.

As for the videos, most people tend to believe the stuff they believe in, even if it's utter nonsense; if it makes you feel good and doesn't harm anybody, then wth, just don't make any life-changing decisions based on something you saw on the internet.  I guess I've seen too much angst come from these things.

Cynic wrote:

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As for the videos, most people tend to believe the stuff they believe in, even if it's utter nonsense; if it makes you feel good and doesn't harm anybody, then wth, just don't make any life-changing decisions based on something you saw on the internet.  I guess I've seen too much angst come from these things.

It's a phenomena of our age.   Previously having say, anti-vaxxer beliefs, would be just a thing that was not really shared far and wide.   But now everyone is a publisher.  Visit some of these sites and it's just an echo chamber reinforcing some aspect of what might be a delusion.  Saw this on the BBC today: Escaping the anti-vax conspiracy rabbit hole

I'm trying to convince my kids to spend time away from their screens.   I am beginning to think of it as a mental health issue, potentially even dangerous, especially for kids in the process of change like teenagers.   It's an addiction really.   We have actually "broken" the internet here deliberately to limit access.  Then we see something like withdrawal symptoms.  Quite worrying.

There have been some discussions (on LBC anyway last night) around about the Internet having had its day in its present form anyway. People are sick of their privacy being invaded.   It could end up with the breakup of Google and Facebook.  I wouldn't feel any regret if they did that - I'd cheer it on.   But where to wield the knife - easy for Google in one aspect - Android will be spun off.  Facebook not sure where to divide it.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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Nothing wrong with being a prepper.
My sisiter's first FIL was doing this in the 1960's. When he passed however she and her husband spent weekends cleaning out all the rusty tins from floor to ceiling in his garage.
My cousin in NM allowed her bi-polar brother to live with her and her husband.
He got a bit wild and being a "super prepper" he pulled his machine gun out and told them he might just take them out. Long story, he went into the mental hospital at the VA and now lives alone with his free rent apt. that the state provided for him. Not sure how "mental" he really is, perhaps just crazy like a fox.
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I can get some prepping but doing it to crazy levels is just looking like OCD or worse.   

It's not a good situation to have people with mental illness and guns.  It's their right of course to bear arms and believe in strange things but what about everyone else in contact with them.

I saw a tragedy unfolding around Fedex in Indianapolis.  People talk about folks going postal but what happened there is just unbelievable yet we're all becoming far too desensitised  to that kind of shooting.   Another school, depot or whatever.  Just business as usual.

If someone is having a meltdown or is showing dodgy behaviour, the last thing one wants to do is let them have access to a lethal weapon.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Cynic wrote:

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As for the videos, most people tend to believe the stuff they believe in, even if it's utter nonsense; if it makes you feel good and doesn't harm anybody, then wth, just don't make any life-changing decisions based on something you saw on the internet.  I guess I've seen too much angst come from these things.

It's a phenomena of our age.   Previously having say, anti-vaxxer beliefs, would be just a thing that was not really shared far and wide.   But now everyone is a publisher.  Visit some of these sites and it's just an echo chamber reinforcing some aspect of what might be a delusion.  Saw this on the BBC today: Escaping the anti-vax conspiracy rabbit hole

I'm trying to convince my kids to spend time away from their screens.   I am beginning to think of it as a mental health issue, potentially even dangerous, especially for kids in the process of change like teenagers.   It's an addiction really.   We have actually "broken" the internet here deliberately to limit access.  Then we see something like withdrawal symptoms.  Quite worrying.

There have been some discussions (on LBC anyway last night) around about the Internet having had its day in its present form anyway. People are sick of their privacy being invaded.   It could end up with the breakup of Google and Facebook.  I wouldn't feel any regret if they did that - I'd cheer it on.   But where to wield the knife - easy for Google in one aspect - Android will be spun off.  Facebook not sure where to divide it.

Just be glad that you're not on Facebook, some of the posts. I ended up unfriending a person from America. An avid Trump supporter well that was bad enough, but she was not going to have the jab because she didn't want to pick up 5G and harm her family.

SimCityAT wrote:

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Just be glad that you're not on Facebook, some of the posts. I ended up unfriending a person from America. An avid Trump supporter well that was bad enough, but she was not going to have the jab because she didn't want to pick up 5G and harm her family.

WTF has 5G got to do with the jab?  And how would 5G harm her family?

I am beginning to think this sort of thing needs a deprogramming or deradicalisation service to step in!

Mind you, on LBC Mystery Hour yesterday, someone asked why hydrogen powered cars don't blow up like hydrogen bombs? 

In some ways it's an interesting question but you have to ask yourself if people pay attention in school.

I'm definitely not in FB, Instagram, Snapchat, Linked In or any of that rubbish.    One of my colleagues thought Facebook was for kids and Linked In was for professionals.  Apparently not having a presence on either of those could have bearing on your eligibility or suitability for a job.    So far I am unaffected.

They are marching again in Vienna, complaining about the lockdown. But we are opening everything in 2 weeks.

I've lost friends to conspiracy theories and propaganda. I am not saying I haven't tried to use logic and facts and many articles to keep them in the realm of sanity, but sometimes it doesn't work. Then they try to pull you down with them.
No, I'd rather sever ties and be open to reconciliation in the future when science prevails again.

I gave up FB years ago. I highly recommend it.

And finally, I think that in today's constant 20 seconds attention span and immediate gratification culture where everything is immediate and force fed to recipients, I think it extremely important that youth have "disconnected time" where they can come up with their own thoughts, reflect on themselves and others, have free and idle time to think and relax... I am not saying completely disconnect, just have some time set aside free of an electronic screen.

I am finding myself having more and more breaks from Facebook. If it wasn't for being an Admin on 2 British groups, 1 for Brexit related stuff and another for social and questions for everyday life I think I would have left a while back. I do find the messenger useful.

I use Google, WhatsApp, Viber, and for one specific group, Messenger. I'd love to get the messenger group into one of the others.

Vicces1 wrote:

I use Google, WhatsApp, Viber, and for one specific group, Messenger. I'd love to get the messenger group into one of the others.

We use Viber now more than we use Skype.  That's falling out of favour.  I've never used Messenger at all or WhatsApp.   Google made a pigs ear out of Hangouts so just forgot about it but it's come back as something - never used it.

Microsoft Teams is one of the worst things I've ever used.  Hardly works at all for me.  I almost fell of my chair laughing a the new Teams thing called Teams Together.  Here's a screen shot for it:



I think it looks like a university lecture or a bunch of tombstones!

Out of all of them,  Zoom works the best for me.  No social media rip off or trying to get into your address books and just high quality conferencing.    Far better than Skype.

I know how dangerous getting hooked on the computer or games can be.
Our son had a serious injury at age 12 and we had to keep him out of harms way.
He once broke his arm ,it was the 3rd time within a year of it cracking into pieces..While he was having fun outdors riding his scooter.
We bought him a gaming machine and so many games we could of pened up our own store.
Now he is hooked on gaming. On the up side, he was one of the fastest blackjack dealers I ever saw, he could flip those cards like no body;s business.
His Japanese wife used to read books all day long, then he bought her a game just for herself.
Now in Japan after wrok she just comes home and plays her games.
These are people in the early 40's too.
I am paying to store 11 yes, 11 boxes full of vintage video games that have been sorted int,"collections' Some are rare games from Japan and others are just classics.
What a waste of time and money paying to store them these past few years with no end in site.
We bought a Gameboy player for a 13 year old boy here in Hungary when it first came out on the market. This boy had his arm  resown to his stomach after it was cut off by a motorbike accident. He father and he slide on a rod in Hungary and the metal road divider sliced the boys arm off. My husband visited the boy in hospital and we had sent the gift to him in hopes it would take him mind off the horror is was going through. He lost his arm in the end, it wouldn't tkae, his body rejected to grafting.Hope he didn't also get hooked on gaming too. Later we thought it was a dumb gift because we never heard of a one armed gamer.
I may get a jabbaro one of these days if needed but I really want to know more first like is it a one time, well 2 time thing or are they going to have booster shots every year or so?
Which vax will be expepted world wide for travel?
Should we write our wills out first or not?
Kidding on the last bit but I really don't like being forced to do anything.
The less we have to do with the medical system the happier I am.
After I fianlly if ever get my eyes in order I don't plan on seeing a doctor anytime soon after that.
I do not think getting a PCR test every week is a good idea for anyone, sounds like a good way to develope some sort of infectin just frm abuse of sticking the swab up your nose so often.
I do not expect any new people on my FB page, it is mostly just old friends and family, in fact sad to say about 5 of my contacts are no longer with us. I just don't have the heart to erase them from my contact list...Creepy, maybe but my BFF's husband now is active on my friends FB page. She passed on and he seems a bit lonely and sad nowdays so pops over there once in awhile. I feel I am honoring my friend by at least checking in with how her husband's health is doing. He was expected to pass last year from cancer but so far he seems to be hanging on.
That's the good
side to FB, all the photo bmbing and self promotion is a bit boring though.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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Now he is hooked on gaming. On the up side, he was one of the fastest blackjack dealers I ever saw, he could flip those cards like no body;s business.
His Japanese wife used to read books all day long, then he bought her a game just for herself.
Now in Japan after work she just comes home and plays her games.
These are people in the early 40's too.
I am paying to store 11 yes, 11 boxes full of vintage video games that have been sorted int,"collections' Some are rare games from Japan and others are just classics.
What a waste of time and money paying to store them these past few years with no end in sight.
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Those games could be worth something.  If they are in good condition with original packaging, then maybe it'll be worth cashing them in.   Best place to look is on Ebay.

I've got an old computer - BBC Micro - these are now becoming collectors classics.  I saw one on Ebay for about £400.  Seems far too much but you never know what people are collecting these days.

I've got a relative who has a side hustle in selling old car parts  for classic cars of the 1970s to Australia of all places.  So he's buying parts in the UK, refurbing them, then shipping them out there.   One man's junk is another man's gold.

As a matter of interest,  I was reminded this morning that we had an epidemic previously in the form of HIV/AIDs. 

There's a TV show called "It's a Sin" which has received good reviews for the portrayal of people caught up in the epidemic.   

I've not seen it myself as no access to UK Channel 4 but it could be available from other sources

fluffy2560 wrote:

As a matter of interest,  I was reminded this morning that we had an epidemic previously in the form of HIV/AIDs. 

There's a TV show called "It's a Sin" which has received good reviews for the portrayal of people caught up in the epidemic.   

I've not seen it myself as no access to UK Channel 4 but it could be available from other sources

and still no cure.  Some very effective treatments have emerged which have effectively saved the lives of many.

Cynic wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

As a matter of interest,  I was reminded this morning that we had an epidemic previously in the form of HIV/AIDs. 

There's a TV show called "It's a Sin" which has received good reviews for the portrayal of people caught up in the epidemic.   

I've not seen it myself as no access to UK Channel 4 but it could be available from other sources

and still no cure.  Some very effective treatments have emerged which have effectively saved the lives of many.

Yes, it's no longer a death sentence.  It was all over the place in Africa. I was working there and people disappeared all the time - I'd ask to see Frank, no, dead and what about Moses, no, him too and how about Tanya, nope gone. 

It wasn't limited to sexual orientation - it was just everyone.  Some stories then and probably now, just heart breaking - parents dead from it, 6 kids, all of it now resting on a 75 year old grandma.

I was looking at a local newspaper back then which had a health statistics section - dead from malaria X and dead from fever Y.  And the Y number was many times higher.  The fever was a well known euphemism for HIV/AIDS.

I remember the South African government saying it was going to just break the patent protection on antivirals. I think it was the same in India. It was a national emergency and they were just going to manufacture it locally and not wait for the big pharma to deliver it and they weren't going to pay high prices either. 

One wonders if COVID19 might end up the same. 

Seems hard to believe when AZ is non-profit and the recipe given away for free yet being rejected across Europe.  Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

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Now he is hooked on gaming. On the up side, he was one of the fastest blackjack dealers I ever saw, he could flip those cards like no body;s business.
His Japanese wife used to read books all day long, then he bought her a game just for herself.
Now in Japan after work she just comes home and plays her games.
These are people in the early 40's too.
I am paying to store 11 yes, 11 boxes full of vintage video games that have been sorted int,"collections' Some are rare games from Japan and others are just classics.
What a waste of time and money paying to store them these past few years with no end in sight.
....

Those games could be worth something.  If they are in good condition with original packaging, then maybe it'll be worth cashing them in.   Best place to look is on Ebay.

I've got an old computer - BBC Micro - these are now becoming collectors classics.  I saw one on Ebay for about £400.  Seems far too much but you never know what people are collecting these days.

I've got a relative who has a side hustle in selling old car parts  for classic cars of the 1970s to Australia of all places.  So he's buying parts in the UK, refurbing them, then shipping them out there.   One man's junk is another man's gold.

Yes, my boy had his collection on E-Bay before he packed it up and left for Japan.
He was asking a bit too much but then again some of his games were in perfect shape and had cost him over $100. each plus postage.
He was about $10,000 over the mark but he studk to his guns and wouldn't sell for less.
Easy enough to do when you have, "stupid" parents that will pay for your storeage...
only parents will understand the self sacrifices we go through over the years... All good , what's the difference in the end?
Next time we ever revisit Vegas, we plan on dumping, selling or shipping everything out.

True, it was funny, when my husband had his machine shop, the last one he ran, he purchased used machinery, before he bought brand new and got a bank loan.
Well most of his machinery was purchased at an auction from Sandia Labs in NM.
He about cried when looking at what the US gov. allowed to happen to beautiful machinery like Bridgeport mills. He rewired, rebuilt and repainted a few big machines.
When we sold off our machine shop we literlaly had people about to come to blows over who was first to buy the machines.
My husband, wise as he is just told them all, he didn't care who got the machines, it was up to whoever produced hard cash first. They all ran to the bank and that was it.
We realized later that his skill at repairing machinery was a god way to make money but we never further  with that venture.

fluffy2560 wrote:

.... Yes, it's no longer a death sentence.  It was all over the place in Africa. I was working there and people disappeared all the time - I'd ask to see Frank, no, dead and what about Moses, no, him too and how about Tanya, nope gone. 

It wasn't limited to sexual orientation - it was just everyone.  Some stories then and probably now, just heart breaking - parents dead from it, 6 kids, all of it now resting on a 75 year old grandma.

I was looking at a local newspaper back then which had a health statistics section - dead from malaria X and dead from fever Y.  And the Y number was many times higher.  The fever was a well known euphemism for HIV/AIDS.

I remember the South African government saying it was going to just break the patent protection on antivirals. I think it was the same in India. It was a national emergency and they were just going to manufacture it locally and not wait for the big pharma to deliver it and they weren't going to pay high prices either. 

One wonders if COVID19 might end up the same. 

Seems hard to believe when AZ is non-profit and the recipe given away for free yet being rejected across Europe.  Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

I was heavily involved in the Ebola pandemic and led the health and safety responsibilities at one of our University Hospital sites.  It was scary; one of the things that I raised then has become reality with Covid, quite simple we have over-regulated many aspects, to the extent that they turned out to be totally unachievable; PPE, wastes.  The solution has been to issue derogations to existing UK law.  I suspect one of the casualties of Covid will be the NHS as we knew it; what everybody is realising today is that there is no simple solution; if they employed the so-called 94,000 missing doctors/nurses, with the current requirement to maintain currency in all skills and training, they would have to lay half of them off as there are not enough sick people for them to practice their skills on; they would lose their currency and with it, their PIN and diplomas.

I went for my 2nd covid jab this afternoon, all went well.  Entertaining, I entered the building took my seat and in the seat next to me was a lady, who proceeded to take her shoes and socks off and rub her bare feet on the concrete floor - "they itched" she complained, I suggested she told the nurse, maybe they'd have some cream, which got me a dirty look from my wife's colleague.

Biology has little mercy...we have SARS, MERS, HIV, COVID, and many more, and they will just evolve to be more virulent.
I've yet to see a virus or germ yield to a theology and people think you can pray away scientific advancement.

There is no doubt we need more science in our lives, I'd certainly argue for less religion.

We say COVID now, but let's give ourselves the credit for MMR, Smallpox, chicken pox and other vaccines. So much tragedy averted except for those who do not place their trust in science.

I have little patience for science-naysayers. My faith lies there.

As for HIV, it was never a "gay disease", it is a disease that negatively affects humans. Nature doesn't care if you are gay, straight, or experimenting....

There are maintenance medicines which are miracles to those affected, they literally get to live versus a death sentence. I am slightly cynical that further progress has not been made, but such is capitalistic life. If you are the CEO of a pharma company and have the choice between a cash cow maintenance drug or a one-time pill cure, you'd choose the maintenance drug for your shareholders.

But I am amazed by science. We went from a lethal virus, previously unheard of, and in 20 years made it into a maintenance situation, not a death sentence. COVID went from a pandemic, to a vaccine-limited occurrence -- or it would have if the logistics and stupidity of humans could be overcome. Embrace science!

Vicces1 wrote:

Biology has little mercy...we have SARS, MERS, HIV, COVID, and many more, and they will just evolve to be more virulent.
I've yet to see a virus or germ yield to a theology and people think you can pray away scientific advancement.

There is no doubt we need more science in our lives, I'd certainly argue for less religion.

We say COVID now, but let's give ourselves the credit for MMR, Smallpox, chicken pox and other vaccines. So much tragedy averted except for those who do not place their trust in science.

I have little patience for science-naysayers. My faith lies there.

I'd forgotten about SARS and MERS. 

They actually refer to COVID19 as SARS-CoV-2.

We've done well on vaccines in the past but some - like the common cold - seem elusive.   I guess the effort is simply not worth it as it's relatively mild. 

Real Influenza on the other hand really needs attention.  I can see that killing people who are weakened in some way.  I've had that twice in its most virulent form and you really think you're going to die.  And it takes a good 7 to 10 days to come back to something like normal.  I suppose COVID19 is 10 x worse.

The anti-vaxxers are possibly not science-naysayers per se as they accept things like electricity, aeroplanes and the Internet.  I think it's more like a kind of distributed cult engaged in some kind of mass hysteria. 

I was in Nigeria once and there was a male centric mini-riot in Lagos because some people thought black magic was afoot and they'd all lost their genitals.  It seems laughable to us but people were actually hurt in the ensuing kerfuffle.  Apparently the police turned up and proved everyone was intact.  I was told by the locals that this particular form of group psychosis was quite common in local markets.

Cynic wrote:

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I went for my 2nd covid jab this afternoon, all went well.  Entertaining, I entered the building took my seat and in the seat next to me was a lady, who proceeded to take her shoes and socks off and rub her bare feet on the concrete floor - "they itched" she complained, I suggested she told the nurse, maybe they'd have some cream, which got me a dirty look from my wife's colleague.

Itchy feet?   Maybe Athlete's Foot.  How kind of her to take off  her shoes and socks she could have spread it all around to any others.   That's the problem with hospitals and clinics - all full of sick people.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Cynic wrote:

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I went for my 2nd covid jab this afternoon, all went well.  Entertaining, I entered the building took my seat and in the seat next to me was a lady, who proceeded to take her shoes and socks off and rub her bare feet on the concrete floor - "they itched" she complained, I suggested she told the nurse, maybe they'd have some cream, which got me a dirty look from my wife's colleague.

Itchy feet?   Maybe Athlete's Foot.  How kind of her to take off  her shoes and socks she could have spread it all around to any others.   That's the problem with hospitals and clinics - all full of sick people.

I was thinking the same, who on earth plays with their feet in public?
Yuck.
My step-dad devloped a serious staff infection post colon cancer surgery in the late 1970's. We could visit him 2 at a time but we had to suit up in,"Devo" outfits, masks and all.
Hospitals are nasty dirty places.

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I went for my 2nd covid jab this afternoon, all went well.  Entertaining, I entered the building took my seat and in the seat next to me was a lady, who proceeded to take her shoes and socks off and rub her bare feet on the concrete floor - "they itched" she complained, I suggested she told the nurse, maybe they'd have some cream, which got me a dirty look from my wife's colleague.

Itchy feet?   Maybe Athlete's Foot.  How kind of her to take off  her shoes and socks she could have spread it all around to any others.   That's the problem with hospitals and clinics - all full of sick people.

Not even a hospital, it was the local civic centre!  Most of UK's jabbing seems to have been done off-site from the NHS.

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Just be glad that you're not on Facebook, some of the posts. I ended up unfriending a person from America. An avid Trump supporter well that was bad enough, but she was not going to have the jab because she didn't want to pick up 5G and harm her family.

WTF has 5G got to do with the jab?  And how would 5G harm her family?

I am beginning to think this sort of thing needs a deprogramming or deradicalisation service to step in!

Mind you, on LBC Mystery Hour yesterday, someone asked why hydrogen powered cars don't blow up like hydrogen bombs? 

In some ways it's an interesting question but you have to ask yourself if people pay attention in school.

I'm definitely not in FB, Instagram, Snapchat, Linked In or any of that rubbish.    One of my colleagues thought Facebook was for kids and Linked In was for professionals.  Apparently not having a presence on either of those could have bearing on your eligibility or suitability for a job.    So far I am unaffected.

Early on in the pandemic, people were insisting that Covid was being spread via the 5G phone network.

No longer an LBC listener, but Mystery Hour was one of the things they did that really did entertain.

I use FB groups quite a lot, but they are in the main Military groups, we tend to get left to self-moderate.  Idiots tend to not be taken lightly. and learn that their "rights" on social media don't earn them the right to be rude to anybody, or come and talk shite in general.  More recently, unless somebody already in the group knows you and verifies you're not an idiot, they don't even get past the login.

Found what little I know it is a supposed overall agenda to kill off most of humanity.
Not saying i am buying into this but this is a bit of what I've noticed online.
The 5G, the vax, the GMO , the horride air( we have to all agree with that fact) the water in the public system of delivery, the overall stress, the school system beating down children into a slow death, the media with all negative news ect. Is suppose to come together to kill off Billions of people. Not sure when but probably sooner then we think.
That's the jest of it in a nutshell.
I am open minded but then again, what good will it do to kill off humanity even if, "demonic" forces want to take full control. They have little power over  AI as their subjects.Really who wishes to pull the strings on puppets, would get old very quickly..
It does however seem we are in a sci-fi film sometimes.
Just enjoy sitting back and watching the show, for now.
The ,"Mark of the Beast" system could be in the jab,to change one's DNA or it may come later on down the line with a implant being placed in your right hand or forehead.
It's all turned into a game show it seems.
I am trying to sit on the fence and not be toppled over one way or the other.
I must admit though lately they are shoving some insane stuff down our throats.
Heard they are planning on reopening some mineral spas for those with medical needs and soon will open up some sports events if you have a clear Covie -pass...
No, I have not lost my mind but just reporting the news I've noticed online about the NWO agenda. My days are short as it is so just trying to pass on the crazy info I've seen online.For what is is worth.
Not saying I buy into any one this but it does tend to make one think WTH is going on.
I'm fine to check out like in the film, Soylent Green. At least it looked like a comfy way to check out.
Yes, I am being silly.

Probably the only thing on that list that deserves any credence is air quality; I live in the countryside, air quality has never been an issue here and Covid has if anything improved matters, simply because people aren't travelling as much as before.  I shan't pretend to have planned this, it's the hand life has dealt us.

Wildlife in Covid North Yorkshire has rebounded with a vengeance.  Our back garden has always been an attraction to local birds and other creatures, this year, there are even more.  Mrs C is outside this afternoon resiting some previously abandoned nests - ever the pragmatic Dutchlady, when asked why she responded that she didn't want them to poo on her car.  I'm starting to miss having a dog around, so once this silly Covid related rush on dogs has eased up a bit, I may look for a new friend.

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Early on in the pandemic, people were insisting that Covid was being spread via the 5G phone network.

No longer an LBC listener, but Mystery Hour was one of the things they did that really did entertain.

I use FB groups quite a lot, but they are in the main Military groups, we tend to get left to self-moderate.  Idiots tend to not be taken lightly. and learn that their "rights" on social media don't earn them the right to be rude to anybody, or come and talk shite in general.  More recently, unless somebody already in the group knows you and verifies you're not an idiot, they don't even get past the login.

Oh I knew about the looney 5G vs jab thing,  it was a kind of rhetorical question, like where's the evidence then?  Most "evidence" is recycled BS from web sites with some kind of odd agenda. 

I still listen to LBC but I've got a bit bored recently. I've actually reverted to some Radio 4 shows as podcasts. I rediscovered then out of necessity due to the incessant and non-stop bleating about Prince Philip and his blinking funeral.  Sorry he's dead, now let's move on.

I even considered listening to local music radio here in HU,  I was that desperate to get away from it.

Quick poll of my relatives and no-one watched it.  They all had other things to do - visitors, gardening, movies, dog walking and decorating.  I myself deliberately spent the funeral time dismantling a second hand car axle I have in my shed.  I learnt a lot about that particular car axle during that time and realised I need a different one for my vehicle. Earlier on in the day I watched the 2nd episode of The Young Pope - quite a good show so far and a great cast. 

All of that is far better time spent than on Phil.

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I'm fine to check out like in the film, Soylent Green. At least it looked like a comfy way to check out.
Yes, I am being silly.

Solyent Green - spoilers ahead.  An interesting movie - from a book by Harry Harrison called More Room! More Room! I actually read that book when I was about 15 or summat.  I believe it was Edward G. Robinson's last movie and another dystopian movie from Charlton Heston (other one was Omega Man - a variant of I am Legend). 

But the premise is a bit silly.  Increasing population leads to recycling of people to feed to the others. Like a food based pyramid.  It would, like a pyramid scheme, be self-limiting.  The system of recycling humans would collapse and nature would reorganise itself and come back again in a different form.

Not sure how many people could be supported on the Earth ultimately.  Maybe 20 billion?  By that time, perhaps we'll be living on Mars too. It's capital could be Elonville or Musk Town.

As populations gain wealth and women gain control over their bodies, the number of children born per woman decreases dramatically.
Current forecasts:
The UN projects that the global population increases from a population of 7.7 billion in 2019 to 11.2 billion by the end of the century. By that time, the UN projects, fast global population growth will come to an end.
https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

By 2100, the world's population is projected to reach approximately 10.9 billion, with annual growth of less than 0.1% – a steep decline from the current rate. Between 1950 and today, the world's population grew between 1% and 2% each year, with the number of people rising from 2.5 billion to more than 7.7 billion.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 … e-century/

Islamic and African nations make up the majority of population growth:
https://population.un.org/wpp/Maps/

While Europe will decrease, sometimes alarmingly so:
The EU-27's population is projected to increase from 446.8 million in 2019 and peak to 449.3 million in 2026 (+0.6 %), then gradually decrease to 441.2 million in 2050 and to 416.1 million in 2100, thus with an overall decrease of 30.8 million (-6.9 %) from 2019 to 2100

I remember reading that Italy will more than halve (to 26m), Hungary as well (youth leaving Hungary plus smaller families + very little immigration into country) to under 5m.

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As populations gain wealth and women gain control over their bodies, the number of children born per woman decreases dramatically.
Current forecasts:
The UN projects that the global population increases from a population of 7.7 billion in 2019 to 11.2 billion by the end of the century. By that time, the UN projects, fast global population growth will come to an end.
https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

By 2100, the world's population is projected to reach approximately 10.9 billion, with annual growth of less than 0.1% – a steep decline from the current rate. Between 1950 and today, the world's population grew between 1% and 2% each year, with the number of people rising from 2.5 billion to more than 7.7 billion.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 … e-century/

Islamic and African nations make up the majority of population growth:
https://population.un.org/wpp/Maps/

While Europe will decrease, sometimes alarmingly so:
The EU-27's population is projected to increase from 446.8 million in 2019 and peak to 449.3 million in 2026 (+0.6 %), then gradually decrease to 441.2 million in 2050 and to 416.1 million in 2100, thus with an overall decrease of 30.8 million (-6.9 %) from 2019 to 2100

I remember reading that Italy will more than halve (to 26m), Hungary as well (youth leaving Hungary plus smaller families + very little immigration into country) to under 5m.

Lot of good info there.   Limit in 2100 of 12 billion I think I won't care about.  I will have returned to my planet in the other dimension.

I guess the O1G population increase as a concept or project is just ignoring principles espoused by King Canute..

I heard a while back Bulgaria will lose so many people it may not be able to function as it does now.  Maybe it'd merge with Serbia, Greece or North Macedonia (as an aside, some politicians in Kosovo want to merge with Albania which doesn't seem such an outlandish idea).

Whatever happens, population going to be self-limiting.  As Islamic and African nations come under pressure, maybe there will be more conflict to acquire more land.   When I was in Africa last, the Chinese were buying up farmland and creating highly mechanised mega-farms.

Western population growth must be highly dependent on energy.   If we had unlimited green energy, different lifestyles not based on traded manufactured goods consumption, we might go to higher numbers on world population. I read one estimate of 1 trillion on this planet as being the upper limit.  What numbers would work for Mars as a viable "starter" population?

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Whatever happens, population going to be self-limiting.  As Islamic and African nations come under pressure, maybe there will be more conflict to acquire more land.   When I was in Africa last, the Chinese were buying up farmland and creating highly mechanised mega-farms.

We see Chinese influencing Hungary and other smaller European democracies as well as the entire African continent. It is definitely going to be a geopolitical force in the future. I have no doubts about it.

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We see Chinese influencing Hungary and other smaller European democracies as well as the entire African continent. It is definitely going to be a geopolitical force in the future. I have no doubts about it.

Oh for sure but....and it's quite a big but.....the EU might have something to say about it around here.

I think tensions are building all over the place - China vs Everyone, Russia in Ukraine and so on.   O1G will be China's and Russia's patsy.   The "open to the East" and not West policy pushed here will mean Hungary will be left on its own when the chips are down.   As they often say Remember Mohács.