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Overstaying brazilian visa. Need some assistance

Last activity 03 October 2018 by JenJean

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Mikeflanagan

Hi, just to clear a few things up about the situation. we were originally going to get married on my visa. but we ended up having a child. ginger baby with blue eyes :)

Few things i really need clarification for based on the following.

I do not have a cpf,
I know this is a crucial thing to have here in Brazil, but am i able to get one on the overstay.
I know i'm going to be footing the 10.000,00 real fee for the overstay, but does(can) that get exempt due to naturalization ( being a Brazilian parent )

Also it was never my intention to break any rules with the overstay just once my wife got pregnant then it was just busy life, between work ( working from home for Canadian company back home ) now on a 1 year parental leave. my wife and child are sole dependents on my finances, and we do not wish to move back to Canada. ( life here is much better )

Seeing as its problematic for me to open a bank account locally without having proper documentation, its becoming burdensome , and really frustrating as I want to buy a house locally in the next year or so.

Any suggestions would help. been trying to follow local law on PF in Recife, but its a tad confusing as the steps needed to be taken here to rectify this situation

abthree

Mike,

Congratulations on your marriage and child.

Obviously, it's (long past) time to stop neglecting your documentaion.  You've created some needless complications for yourself, but with patience and effort, they're not insoluble.

First, get a CPF.  You could have done this the day after you arrived in Brazil, and don't need a CRNM, the new ID card for resident foreigners, to get it.  Just go to the office of the Receita Federal in Recife that issues them - you should be able to walk out with it.  Unless your Portuguese is flawless, I strongly recommend bringing your wife along, and for her to do most of the talking.  There may be some concern about your expired visa, but stressing that you're married here and have a Brazilian child should get you past that.
Next (really, pretty much simultaneously), start your permanency process with the Federal Police.   Get ALL the documents required for your situation on the Federal Police website - the image you want to project with a yearlong overstay is that you're the most compliant foreigner EVER.  Getting your Canadian docs legalized by a Brazilian Consulate in Canada will be complicated, but other Canadians here have done it. (Unfortunately, Canada hasn't joined the Apostille Convention.)  Canadian docs will then need to be translated here by a Sworn Translator for presentation.  Again, your wife should probably be your spokesperson.   Once your application has been accepted, the Federal Police will give you a document that serves as a temporary ID until your CRNM is issued.  With that and your CPF, you can open a bank account, buy property, and pretty much do anything a Brazilian citizen can, except vote.
I'm a great believer in the power of smiling and begging with Brazilian officialdom,  and by all means, give it a try - but the R$10.000 is probably gone, gone, gone.
While you're getting paperwork,  get a SUS card for the national health service,  too.  You can get them at most state clinics and hospitals, it's free and same day.
As the husband of a Brazilian citizen, you may, if you wish, become naturalized one year after the issue date of your CRNM, and become a dual citizen. I understand, though that the Tax Treaty between Brazil and Canada is a very advantageous one, so most Canadians opt to remain permanent resident foreigners.   You'll want to see how you'll be affected before making that decision.
Good luck.  Please keep us posted on your progress.

Mikeflanagan

Holy crap man thanks. That was everything ive been frantically trying to sort out the proccess of elimination. Yeah like i dont plan on going back to canada as its facing plenty of woes politically at the moment and we feel safer in the brazilian blanket. Not gunna lie. Daughter was born on sus. Makes canadian free heathcare look terrible. Lol but tha k you so much for the assistance in this because id rather be paying taxes here than canada lol

John Lawrence

Good morning my Canadian friend :-)
Because there is a fair bit of ground to cover, I will send you a message privately and perhaps we can communicate directly?

Cheers!

Gringuinha

One thing I would add is that in Minas at least, to get your CPF, first you have to go to the Post Office and pay a fee...$7reais.  Bring your id.

All the best!

wanderlustmikey84

If they fine you, you go to defensoria pública and appeal the fine. Basically say that you don't have money to pay. Since you are irregular you techinally don't have any income. Defensoria will preparenthe docs that you will return to the fine office at PF. PF will either reduce the fine or void it all together

JenJean

Good  Morning,

Does anyone have any pointers on how to pay your overstay fine? I understand you must go the bank... Can I bring dollars and get them exchanged at the bank? Or should I bring reais?

Should I bring all the money in full, or do they have an option to withdraw from a machine with a credit card for example...?

Thank you, I only have a few hours at the airport so want to be prepared.

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