Looking to move to Mexico between Campeche & Sabancuy. Anyone there?

I am still wafting for confirmation that this is really the case and not a mistake in the other buyer's understanding.  I know the my deed says lot 6 B-2
I will keep you posted.
good job  on the facebook page.
Kiriokos John

Hello all and happy new year.
I want to be as fair as possible on the developers of our land.  I understand that there may have been two lot #6.  I am waiting to hear back from the other owner of a Lot #6 to  compare the legal descriptions.  Hopefully she will be in touch with me.
John

Here is the latest update that I received on the building process....Read into it as you like...

We got the approval from CONANP (The National Commission of Natural Protected Areas)
We will get this letter during the following days and it will be deliver to SEMARNAT along with the 10 additional points requested.

It can happen during this week or next, it depends on their holidays

So, the novice will be excited.
1. If they don't have a signature they don't have approval. I have heard this for two years and this by them from the same organization.
2. What does "we will have the letter in days" mean. 1,2,3, 365. These guys are tricky this way.
3. So when the infamous "days" comes.to fruition, then it has to go through Semarnat. And who knows how long that will take. Just look at the track record. I've seen no evidence to prove different.NEVER.
4. After this entire process gets approved, only then will you find out the truth of what concept you can build.

I want it to work for more than one reason but these fellows have crushed their integrity like an elephant on a mouse. I can never let them be in charge of building my homes. Their character has been consisten all the time I've known them.
You don't know all.
Who is managing your Mexican organization.
John

Novelo, Castro & Medina Law Firm

I hear u. You are right I don't know all. All I can do from here is past on info that I receive because it appears no one has control over what is happening> Just trying to keep everyone updated as possible and hoping others will post any info that can shed light on this and if law class action law suites may be in the future, It is helpful for all to know what has been promised by this company.

Clutch my private email is [email protected]
Send me yours.
Kiriokos John

[email protected]

This guy SabaMiquel called me a scammer. What is the integrity of his August Email.
Do you have permits yet?

Ok, just received this email from a fellow owner it Borg III.. I have no idea exactly what it means. There is no mention of any sign offs from the government. I suggest to start calling and emailing the company/your sales person to get some light shed on this. I have sent it to Alberto for clarification.

Hi group,
Great news for an update.
After all this time, not knowing if any of us even owned land, I received this phrase today from Tony

>>"You can start your project today and if anything wouldn't be as I say, I carried the responsability personally - this means: let's stop wasting time and start to work with your project."<<

From what I know, Tony really did go out of his way to make this work, "even with me being a pain in the ass all the time"

I think we actually made a good investment.
I still need a study and like anywhere else, submit a building permit but finally knowing that we're able to build there is HUGE!

Please keep in mind, we have to be realistic. We purchased land only.
I'm sure eventually electricity and sewer as well as a mono rail will follow but for now I"ll be happy with a place, wind turbine, solar panels and sewage holding tank. Oh ya, And beer.

Currently looking to put up a fence around my lots and plant a few indigenous fruit trees while the architect puts my plans together.

Where did everyone go? I thought all was going to stay in contact and share what they know or don't.

I get so many emails making promises, I just ignore them.

Clutch, i for one am very hopeful that your news are for real finally !!!  After all the negative
is good to hear some good.

Hi,
Well I was the guy from Boq lll that wrote that post.
All that's changed from then is the architect.
I figured I would try to build just a small cabana to start and if all went well, I would build bigger. (Low risk)
The cost of my small beachfront "hut" cost about the same as a new bungalow in Canada. That was a "no go"
So there's the next hurdle.
Tony says he's looking for another architect but it's starting to drag on. Kinda like this whole investment.
Please keep the "I told Ya so"s down to a minimum.

The blogs I have read are approximately two years old.  Quite a bit of enthusiasm for moving between Chompoton and Sabancuy.  The area is on a main Federal highway 180D which originates Monterey(?) and ends in Cancun.  Cancun is approximately ;8 hours by express bus from Sabancuy. But you have to catch express bus in Ciudad de Carmen or Campeche.  The resort that was mentioned in a few blogs is still not complete.  That has been eight years since I have been in the area.  During housing bust in US the project sat idle for about two years.

Those of you contemplating living in the Chompoton / Sabancuy corridor should consider renting first, before making a build decision.  There are about 7-8 modern homes built, but only one seems to be permanently occupied.  Food shopping is a big problem.  Chompoton has a medium size "supermarket" Chedraui, approximately 30-40- minutes away.  No Oxxo's near by or gasoline stations...all in Chompoton.  Campeche (1 1/2 hours offers the urban conveniences, Home Depot, Sams, Walmart, three supermarkets, a high end mall and movie theater.  The other alternative is Ciudad del Carmen. Approx 2 hours by car, bus, the center of the MX offshore oil production.  Carmen is reputed to be one of the most expensive cities in MX. I can attest to that.  That is why I moved to Campeche. It is dirty, crowded, but has many good restaurants and the same commercial outlets as Campeche.

I am curious how your property and home building was handled.  I know there is a prohibition for foreigner owning property within 50 km of the beach and 100 km of the borders (Fronteras)

I am a big land owner and here is my truth. Almost everything said in this previous blog is true. The exception is you can own land if you form a Mexican corporation. The problem with that is this; getting a visa to be the ultimate decision maker is a nightmare. I have been working on this for two years and still don't have the right visa. DO NOT USE any referrals from the people selling the land.
research and use a corporate/real estate attorney who is a specialist.
The leadership of the people selling land in the area sounds smooth and promising but for years i have been hearing promises that the permits are coming soon. Year after year none of the promises have been fulfilled.
Ask for written answers to these questions before you buy in this area.
1. Government restrictions on this federally restricted zone.in writing signed.
2. Copies of government authorized permits to build.
3. Limitations of exactly what can be built.
4. Do not buy under the rule Valor catastral. You will be told you will save taxes but the capital gain tax will kill you on the sell side. Most out of the country profit diversions is considered money laundering. The government I chasing cheaters.
5. Ask to meet face to meet face to face with the proclaimed owners of the company.
6.ask for signed documents of the engineering for the infrastructure. I have been for years. Always diversions.
7. Study the water currents. Erosion around the world is killing coastlines.
8. You will be told you can build a beautiful beach home for 150 thousand. You better touch an example of that quality before you believe it.

These people are all smooth talkers but have yet to deliver 1(any no, none ), qualifying document. You may be told this is a chance of a lifetime and the value will soar yearly. Ha,ha.  A deal of free is no deal if you can't use the land. There is a resort/condo project that boast success. They appear to be suffering.
I found the cost of living is not as low as you will be told. Unless of course you want to value your land illegally, or buy food at road side stands in the bush.
This land will develop some day but I have been proven no time soon.
I am bitter more at myself for letting my ego fall to their trap.

As of June 24,2015, no approvals.

Bought 2 lots near Sabancuy about 28 months ago.  It took almost two years, but we eventually recieved the notarized deeds. Now the developper is asking for about $6K for building permits...  Does anyone smell a rat?  We saw the properties before we bought, and are returning in Dec 15. I understand there is now hydro, but getting building permits seems like a long process.  Anyone care to comment?

Who told you there is water. There is a line going to ciudad del Carmen but no water on beech side.
Also no electricity on the beach side of BI,or B2, or B3.
I own 18 of their nightmares. I will not give them another penny until I see water and electric and an official report signed by all the legal authorities detailing what can be built and restrictions.
They continue to talk about a home owners association and i believe they have not asked any land owners to be on that board.
These guys have and continue to discredit themselves by failing to provide anything more than hearsay and failing on EVERY promise.
John

We are not part of the B 1,2,3 development. We bought our lots in Sept 2012 from Gary Walding (International Holdings). They are part of a development called 'Torquoise Coast' between Sabancuy and Aak-Baal. Gary sent us pictures in April 2013 showing electricity poles installed along the road in front of the lots (in Canada our power was all hydroelectricity so we call electricity 'hydro'. The environmental assessment is supposedly complete now and building permits expected to be submitted in September.

Hi
I've only had one or two talks with Gary so I can't speak about him . However, I would ask for all the written documentation from the governing areas so you know exactly what you can or cannot build. The turtles and erosion are impacting the buldabilaty on my land.
Check the photos of the poles. If there is one wire on them it may be cable communication and not electric. When you visit, check the poles close to the shore line. If you see a lot of white rocks near them you are experiencing critical erosion. The rocks were put there to keep the current from washing away the poles. 
I spend several months per year in Merida and the sabancuy coast line. I have learned a great deal.
Ps, you should know early on how you plan on diverting capital gains. Most of these guys are laundering the money through Belize. The problem is the government is keeping a closer eye on money moving south.if you bought under the agreement of valuing the land by Valor catastral I will chare more.
Good luck
John. USA

Hi all, we were exploring the possibility to invest in a Boqueron plot. After reading all the posts here we are a bit worried as to how serious this investment really is in terms of building permits and infrastructure. Has anyone already started building? Has anyone got the Semanat building guidelines on paper?
Any advice or comment on the feasibility of this investment is welcome and appreciated as we are about to visit the area.
Thanks

What happened to the facebook page? I tried to get in and it has been removed

It would only be a guess on why the facebook page is down but controversy on the lack of specific details continues to  mount.
Founders and employees of one company are either hiding or being very vague on answers. They continue to throw out carrots of promise. If they would  answer some specific questions in writing with signatures I could be their biggest advocate.

I see, I know somebody who is already meeting with architects at the moment. Thank you for your reply and for contributing to this blog. Better safe than sorry! I wish everyone would share what is going on.

Hi, just looking at this area as well. Have you been able to build?

Hi, I was curious if you have been able to start building. Will you be there in September?

We will be there in December.  We have been communicating with an architect to start working on building plans, but the permits have not been issued yet.  Experience tells us these things take time.   (if you are not there to grease palms...)

No I have not been able to build.  The real estate company has not supplied me with the area's building restrictions.  its just too ambiguous for me to put more money into this before I have more solid information. All I am getting is , Soon, and I will be happy.  but they are not providing me with written authorizations. Go to the mirror and have a talk with your ego before you leap.
again, if you want more information let me know how I can reach out to you by phone and include your name. 
john

More money?!?! Have you done initial due diligence? It is essential, in MX, you vet  and establish a personal relationship with a realtor.Be aware there is no certification / licensing of realtors. Have you visited the property you are attempting to purchase? Do you have a notary. The notary should be detrmining if there are encumberances on the property and if the current "owners" are the only ones with  a free title other than the property being held as collaterial

I could recommend some other web sites that explain in detail purchasing and renting property. But this web site has a fear I would be neglecting their advertisers and will block any references to other sources

Hi, you've waited a long time. We typed some time ago. I know the area fairly well now. Can you be more specific on when your home will be complete? Also, why rent if you have a home?
There are two hotels in sabancuy that would work. One is about 200 pesos per day. The other is a bit more but almost the Same style. Air con' is extra.  I staid in both  for a week about two months ago. Careful if you are shopping for apartments there. When they see your alien skin they will hike the price huge.
Isla Aguada is a bit south. There is a nice beach hotel operated by a Canadian gal. Search up RV parks in Isla Aguada. Nice surroundings. Winter is season so be sure to reserve there early and ask the price. Good luck.
When do you expect permitting on your home.
John

Has anyone made any progress other than great promises?

Ok! So at what point do we all pitch in and hire a professional to deal with this situation.
Myself, I've reached my limit.
I should have had my place built long ago but to this date I don't even have the deed.
We need to have someone sit in on some of these "so called" meetings and represent "Us"
He can then, report back his findings as well as his thoughts and suspicions.
Then we can decide on the actions to follow.

There is nothing in Sabancuy.  No decent bars, fair restaurants, food shopping is fair. A 200 peso hotel?..Even the locals do not recommend it.  Two others are decent 350-400 with ac and wifi.  There is a nice beach 2 km at the main highway to Carmen, where it intecepts the road to Sabancuy.  My opinion, look in Campeche Skip Chompoton (between Campeche / Sabancuy). For furnished rentals  are resonable as long as you have dollars. Campeche has all the conviences, three super markets, wall mart, Sams, Home Depot , Office depot, and a high end mall with a 6 screen movie. Plus, Campeche is a UNESCO World Heritage Site

1. according to my mexican corporate attorney in order to litigate against these guys a litigator must by hired and charges against them filed by land owners.  My understanding is we would win but it will take mexican time and plenty of money.  the only thing the bad publicity will cause is them to halt how they are treating future buyers.  but from what i have experienced, the buyers are still getting sucked in by their ego even though i ask them to contact me.
2. I will contact my attorney to ask him our rights to attend. Or, we can hire an engineer in campeche to contact Semarnat to find out the progress.
3. You should have the deed but it may not be recorded.  The reason they would not have recorded it is this; if the deed is not officially recorded the state is not aware of the transaction.  This allows the whole lot of them to launder the money.  By the time the government catches them they may be long gone or they will have burned all their paperwork.     

4. i think what has to happen is each of you who is not happy has to keep pushing Alberto and tony and let them know how you feel.  every week emails regardless of what they tell you.  the next thing is to post on Expat.com each week that a large real estate company out of Merida and selling pople land in campeche is making false promises to people to get their money.  don't use their name because they will threaten to sue expat and the blog may be removed.

5.  I would disconnect any referrals they gave you because there is no conflict of interest morals in mexico.  they are all working together.

waiting your reply

if you are planning to move to a lot in sabancuy you might as well get use to the culture there because  that is what you will be engulfed in for years to come.
I agree with all said about Sabancuy and Campeche.
if you lived in your beach home now you are at least a generation from commercial development. Also, once you begin to build you have to hire security.  I camped on the beach, went to lunch and a boater stole my tent. there are more stories about the five homes built northerly.

No, do not hire an engineer. Hire a notary. Notaries in MX function as the "Attorney". The notary does the title search. They should know the status of the deed, if there are any encumbrances,  etc.  Normally  a notary is hired at the beginning.  They know the required forms, documents and paper trail

First last,
Are you a lot owner?
The attorney is if litigation against the seller is wanted.
The engineer or a biologist from campache is to attend the Semarnat meetings.
Yes a notary or attorney can verify if the deed has been recorded.  I believe this is what rocket pip was referring to. If  Rocket Pip used Novelo to manage the closing then I can say novelo never followed up on the recording by the notary.  I had to raise all kinds of arguing and it took them one year.  I since have heard the Notary's license is revoked.
None of this is new to the major Real Estate firm selling these lots.
hopefully I have cleared you misunderstanding.

No, I'm not a lot owner.  I contemplated buying,  but did not want the grief. I have been working and living in MX for eight years; four years in Cd del  Carmen  and now four years Campeche. Avoid  living in Carmen other than for shopping and eating. Carmen has the reputation of being the most expensive city in MX. I believe it. It is the center of the MX offshore petroleum industry. It "runs" on petro-dollars.

sounds like you made some good decisions.  I didn't. i'm a huge land owner and have been 50/50 usa and Mx for 4 years. no need to go into the downside.  you know.