Magyar Post: recieving my own package and customs issues...

Well, us locals have no sympathy for the Magyar Posta, we'll root for your lawyer :-)

rbr3262 wrote:

Hello all!  I am American and have lived in Eger for about 3yrs now (I work world wide though so only here about 1/4 of the time).  Here is the problem I need help with:

I had personal stuff (clothes, nick-nacks etc.) in storage in the U.S. for several years now and a friend of mine was able to send me it all when he was in the States recently.  ...

Thanks!

I'm afraid the best way is to always bring stuff into the EU in bits and pieces over a period of some time and try to avoid any contact with petty officials. It's all random with those people. Shipping in used clothing is pretty much pointless. You can buy new socks for the cost of shipping. Other stuff, best thing is to bring it on the plane. From the USA, you're allowed 2 pieces, each of 32kg each I believe. You can ask the Customs to send it back presumably and try again another time. The missing boxes should have been been tracked. Presumably you can find out what happened via the courier. Even within Hungary, we send most of our important mail, including packages, with recorded delivery (signature), so we know it at least got there.

I can not send anything back and try it again as I will not be in the U.S. for many months, and no one to accept it either.

Same with brining stuff in by plane.  I would have had to fly to the U.S., package it up, pay the out ragious bagage fees then fly over.

Well Monday is a week after I sent them all the documents so I will call them again if they are not giving up then I will contact the lawyer...it's a matter of principal at this time, I just got a package from my sister (from U.S.) that had a decleared value of $175 and was full of new toys  for my daughter.  Magyar Posta/customs opened it and re-tapped it and said nothing to us so it IS random.  I think Hungary and Europe need to rethink their VAT tax, it's excessive and everyone who can ducks it any way, I am doing a house project and am always offered the VAT price and the non-VAT price, why pay 27% more?

rbr3262 wrote:

.... I think Hungary and Europe need to rethink their VAT tax, it's excessive and everyone who can ducks it any way, I am doing a house project and am always offered the VAT price and the non-VAT price, why pay 27% more?

Of course. High taxes = higher evasion. It's always been the same. And it's not just Hungary, it's also other countries, both in the EU and outside. Who actually volunteers to pay "use" taxes at the state level in the US of A?

Re: building (and other services). Even if you paid the +VAT price, there's probably less than a 50-50 chance the VAT would actually be sent to the government and not end up just as more cash in the seller's pocket.

You might have had more luck with smaller packages, and marked on the outside, "2nd hand clothes" or similar.  I often buy second hand car spares from the USA and Canada and they are marked as such. I don't even remember the last time I was charged VAT or duty on second hand/used spares.

rbr3262 wrote:

I can not send anything back and try it again as I will not be in the U.S. for many months, and no one to accept it either.

Same with brining stuff in by plane.  I would have had to fly to the U.S., package it up, pay the out ragious bagage fees then fly over.

Well Monday is a week after I sent them all the documents so I will call them again if they are not giving up then I will contact the lawyer...it's a matter of principal at this time, I just got a package from my sister (from U.S.) that had a decleared value of $175 and was full of new toys  for my daughter.  Magyar Posta/customs opened it and re-tapped it and said nothing to us so it IS random.  I think Hungary and Europe need to rethink their VAT tax, it's excessive and everyone who can ducks it any way, I am doing a house project and am always offered the VAT price and the non-VAT price, why pay 27% more?

I frequently receive lots of packages sent from overseas. So far, no problem. But I know many foreigners having problems with the Hungarian customs. You need a lawyer.

If you bring stuff from outside EU, it has to go thru customs (and vice versa- exactly same happens people taking stuff from EU to USA - and believe me, it is not any easier there).

It does not really matter if it is new or old, what matter is the value (=products+transportation). USA is so called "most favoured", meaning that it has lowest customer duties (if any). You only have to pay duty if the value exceeds 150 euro. Duties here includes also VAT.

If you claim that the material is part of your household goods that you bring when moving to EU, you need to be able to prove:

1.you have been living outside of EU more than 12 months
2. the goods have been in your possesion more than 6 months
3. you bring the goods into EU during the first 12 months since moving to EU

These are general rules of EU, nothing specifically relating to Hungary.

You can find the regulation in EU websites or any EU union customs officials websites.

by the way, if i recall correctly, there is 15% extra duty for any clothes manufactured in USA.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Re: building (and other services). Even if you paid the +VAT price, there's probably less than a 50-50 chance the VAT would actually be sent to the government and not end up just as more cash in the seller's pocket.

Not if they give a receipt: then they have to pay the tax.
And you have something to show for your payment. Without one there is very little you can do if you are not satisfied.

I am sorry to say but as expats you are likely to come off worse from under-the-table deals than going full legit, paying all taxes.

szocske wrote:

...Not if they give a receipt: then they have to pay the tax. And you have something to show for your payment. Without one there is very little you can do if you are not satisfied.

I am sorry to say but as expats you are likely to come off worse from under-the-table deals than going full legit, paying all taxes.

Fake receipts are easy to produce.

It's true that if you want or expect to complain, you should do it legit. But you can do other things like take photos to build a case if, for example, it's building work. Hard to deny it then, receipt or not. I think perhaps it's about value. Very high value, higher risk of not being legit. Low value, then this is where the cash transaction kicks in as lower risk.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Fake receipts are easy to produce.

I never heard anyone try that.
I guess there's just too much risk? The buyer might include the receipt in their bookkeeping, effectively showing it to the authorities at the end of the month.

I have only heard of people buying receipts to balance the comapny income with expenses to get out of paying tax on profit. There is a lot of work and a whole web of shell companies behind those receipts.

szocske wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

Fake receipts are easy to produce.

I never heard anyone try that.
I guess there's just too much risk? The buyer might include the receipt in their bookkeeping, effectively showing it to the authorities at the end of the month.

I have only heard of people buying receipts to balance the comapny income with expenses to get out of paying tax on profit. There is a lot of work and a whole web of shell companies behind those receipts.

If it's for work done, and for individuals, and therefore not likely to come under any kind of inspection, then the risks are quite low for the forger. There are millions of receipts passing around the system and the tax authorities cannot inspect every single receipt for authenticity. Checks are normally made by random sampling or scoring on risk. e.g. if the receipt is a business sector known for tax fraud. This is usually cash based businesses like restaurants, hotels, taxis, hairdressers etc.  All that said, some countries have officially registered receipt books -  e.g. Chile - where all receipt numbers are entered into a monthly draw and you can win a car or similar. This encourages people to demand and keep proper receipts.

Buying receipts is not necessarily the best way to lower the profit tax. Another way is transfer pricing. Simply put, if I am say, a big software manufacturer, I can license my software out of a lower tax jurisdiction than the place I actually deliver  the software. The license fees are paid by the purchaser. This can be a company of the same name but legally a different business. The expenditure is deductible in the location of sale and most profit accumulates in the lower tax jurisdiction. i.e. I transferred the money out of the high tax jurisdiction. Obviously this is a simple example.

This can be all perfectly legitimate and above board. Tax authorities spend an awful lot of time trying to combat transfer pricing schemes and a lot of the time they fail.

Big names use this kind of scheme. It's no surprise that many large companies are based in Luxembourg which has a low tax rate.
But to make it worthwhile, the business has to be substantial.

fluffy2560 wrote:

Tax authorities spend an awful lot of time trying to combat transfer pricing schemes and a lot of the time they fail.

Big names use this kind of scheme.

Yep.

Google, for example, uses The Dutch Sandwich scheme (you can ... ahem.... ironically Google it) to avoid paying Billions in US taxes, by funneling money through a Netherlands shell company.

rbr3262 wrote:

I am about to get my lawyer on them

How long do you plan to stay in Hungary? The legal system here takes years. And remember in Hungary the looser in the case usually has to pay all court costs.... is it worth it?

If you have a complaint you can do something which is roughly translated to "taking a protocol" of the issue. You can discuss details with your lawyer. But basically, you go to the office that is causing the problem and you write down your compliant and they must take it, notarize it and put it into their files and you get a copy. You should name names of people you contacted and corresponded with and write down your complaint with their handling of this issue. Then it will also go into their personal files. It is quite a serious issue. I have done it at the post office. It did help in that case. Your "mileage" may vary, but it is still worth doing.

Fighting customs will be difficult in court, for reasons others have already provided. I understand the frustration (been there, am there with other agencies). But in the end, it may need to be simply marked down to the experience column, and to then work out an "acceptable" duty to pay.

Fair? Probably not. But life is bumpy.

Don't mess with hungarian customs...those [moderated: inappropriate term] don't belong to civilized world.

trocki wrote:

Don't mess with hungarian customs...those [moderated: inappropriate term] don't belong to civilized world.

Tell me about it.  I bought a package or car parts costing $63 from the USA and by the time it arrived here, it had cost $140. It was still about 2/3 the cost of the same item bought locally even including that idiotic 27% VAT.  The courier company - DHL - should be avoided at all costs.  Their fees were over 10K HUF for basically doing bugger all except mess me around and stop me fixing the vehicle.  The sender insisted on DHL but it was a nightmare of stupidity dealing with their bureaucracy (they were unable to comprehend what was in the package despite me telling them repeatedly).  On the other hand, I have not generally suffered in the same way with Magyar Posta.

Poor thing, been there myself but slightly different hassles.
I sent over a box of used items around 8 years ago from the US to myself in HU.
I had done that several times in the past over a 10 year period with no problems. Those no hassle boxes were posted to an address in Erd.  The last box that caused so much trouble was sent to our Budapest address.
it just never arrived, my HU speaking husband went into the post to ask about my box, went to several post offices. Called up the main post office and spoke head of the customs office.
Long insane story but everyone lied.Everyone tried to blame someone else.
I contacted the US post where I sent out my package, I had insurance on the box and asked for my insurance money.
Wow, after a 5 month hassle all of a sudden they found my box!! We left back to the uS 2 weeks later so my box arrived just in time or it would of been lost ( stolen) for good.
Seems although I do not believe their story that somehow the address label fell off and my box was sitting in the back room in storage of unclaimed items in the Netherlands!! Ok, whatever, I went in an collected my box, customs had ripped it open and searched the box.There very clearly still was the scan ID no. on my box, they were just lazy to read the no.and send on my box.
We had hassles with customs with our 12 boxes 7 or 8 years back when we moved over here.
I did label every box with what was inside but they demanded I give them a list of every little button and bow inside.
The released our boxes into our care but told me with no joking around not to open my boxes until they gave me a written ok or called to say it was ok to open my boxes. So for over a week we had 12 boxes just sitting in the middle of our flat unable to open them up under penalty of jail or fines!!
My husband is a HU citizen and at least at that time he was allowed to bring in personal items without customs fees for household items, a one time deal for those coming home to live.
I think they enjoy screwing with people, honestly everything is over the top here.
I am a bit at a loss what to tell you to do. If you have any insurance on your boxes maybe contact the US post office online and start trying to collect your money, that might speed things up. Good luck and keep us posted .
I might add that back 10 years ago from what I was told by the US post offices in the US is that they no longer offered the same service that they used to offer for boxes. Most of my boxes weighed in a between 25 to 40lbs.
Used to be that they were flown from the west coast of the US to the east coast then put on a ship, it kept costs down. Now they only offer mail service, no more ships carrying the boxes. It is too speed up delivery to less then 2 weeks time, before it was a time of 4 to 6 weeks by ship.
If you know someone who speaks HU maybe they can help you go intot he main post office in HU and try to get better answers.
After my last hassle with the HU post I have never sent anything to HU again. We were shocked that customs in Hu was so backwards and insane. We had used a good shipper in the US but once our boxes hit EU  soil not only did they raise the price on delivery but they acted like we were sending in illegal items.
In the end the customs office for our 12 boxes never even came to our flat, they just called after a week and said we could now open the boxes up. Power trip time, really crazy stuff here, anything to make things hard and to get money out of you.At that point in time my husband was so mad and upset that and the hassles I had with immigration that he is still upset after so many years and will never forget how rude they all were.
Guess they want people to buy items new in HU at 27% sales tax!
My husband said they might just be trying to make you forget your boxes so they can keep them for themselves...

Back again, give it a bit of time, not too much maybe a another 2 weeks then start contacting the point of origin in the US, I hope you have all the tracking numbers for each package.
Again, as soon as I asked for my insurance $ they found my package.
I had a weird feeling in NV when I sent out my box, felt like something was going to go wrong, I was right, wish I could channel that 6th sense for getting lotto numbers.
Anyways there was several tracking numbers on the box so there is no way it can be "lost" misplaced is the word they like to use.
You would be surprised to know what some people are willing to do in our experience just to make a couple extra bucks on the side. Even "losing" packages that go unclaimed and helping themselves to them.
I have no clue why they would say my box was stored for 5 months in the Netherlands, like how naive do they think Americans are?
Easy for people moving to HU from Europe but we Americans and Canadians are at the mercy of the shippers unless you opt. to pay for extra suitcases every trip over to HU from the US.
Have you done online tracking yet, I know I was told that once my box hit Europe it was out of US hands but since I paid for insurance in the US they stepped in and got things moving. Good luck.

Your are so right and funny, they are [moderated: inappropriate term] at customs, If I had known how horrible they were I would never have sent a thing over.

@fluffy2560

its almost a month that I sent some  vitamins to my brother from USA.

The pac arrived to Hungary with in a few days .  Unfortunately for my brother , he still didn't received any if it . Not even a letter to inform him  that his package is been sort it out . Negative experience like this making me think twice not only to send anything . Not only that , but even visiting Hungary . I think the country is still run by the people who worked for a socialist system and thinking the old ways and can't let go…

I believe that it's time to change in leadership before there is no country left . I remember , back in 1980 the population of Hungary was about 10+ million .

Not  sure , but I heard that , those  who can , they are leaving the country to seek employment in the neighboring countries .  Most of them left and not turning back . I left also , but my reason is different then most of the people continuously leaving everyday…

M retired , thought of many times to return, but I don't see anything attractive about Hungary any more  !

…maybe this year?

I have figured out a work around...although you would have to know someone in Austria or Germany to work, and they would have to visit Hungary at least monthly, LOL.  I send my "packages" our friends address in Austria; and they bring it with them when they come visit relatives.  Yes, my stars aligned, others may not be so fortunate, but I've gotten EVERYTHING, hassle free.

I buy parts on Ali Express quite often and it always goes wrong.   

What bugs me is that we pay for postal costs but I still have to go to Magyar Posta to collect the package.

It also takes so long, I've had to buy other parts locally just because of the delay, 6 weeks from China.

In my mind, packages should be door to door!

I have told everyone to not send me anything from outside of Hungary.

2 years ago my son sent me some vitamins from Japan.

He was charged $150. for them, a good deal for what he bought me.

His postage from Japan to Hungary was $80.

I did however get a notice to pick them up at the main post office. That was a surprise because they usually do not bother letting you know you have a package.

It cost another $50. is customs fees. The package was not heavy at all, less then a pound.

After that , I found a different source for my vitamins.

I have so many worst postal tales then that over the 10 years in Hungary.

Once it took over 5 months to get a package I sent myself from the US to HU.

I never would of even known where it was until I asked for my insurance claim. Out of nowhere they told me it was in the Netherlands. It arrived about a week or so after I filed my claim for insurance.

@rbr3262 I would say, just contact a moving company, I moved from Hungary to Turkey and also many things to arrange, but I am sure these type of companies can also help with moving to Hungary. (of course you have to pay, but using existing contacts)

    @fluffy2560its almost a month that I sent some  vitamins to my brother from USA. The pac arrived to Hungary with in a few days .  Unfortunately for my brother , he still didn't received any if it . Not even a letter to inform him  that his package is been sort it out . Negative experience like this making me think twice not only to send anything . Not only that , but even visiting Hungary . I think the country is still run by the people who worked for a socialist system and thinking the old ways and can't let go…I believe that it's time to change in leadership before there is no country left . I remember , back in 1980 the population of Hungary was about 10+ million . Not  sure , but I heard that , those  who can , they are leaving the country to seek employment in the neighboring countries .  Most of them left and not turning back . I left also , but my reason is different then most of the people continuously leaving everyday… M retired , thought of many times to return, but I don't see anything attractive about Hungary any more  !…maybe this year?        -@jc35252002

The story has pretty much always been, do not send anything to an EU country from outside the EU.    It will always end up at Customs and delayed.  Magyar Posta will also get in on the act and try and get their slice of the action, usually for doing nothing at all.

Prior to Brexit, I used to buy things from the UK all the time and get them sent to Hungary.  It was not expensive to do it - sometimes crazy cheap.  We even sent a (wrapped up) bicycle to Hungary from the UK and it cost about 4000 HUF door-to-door, that's all.  We've sent printers, tents and even metal cabinets.  However, I have not sent one package to myself since Brexit.  Post now takes 3 weeks minimum.  It used to take 3 days.

Post-Brexit it needs a lot of hassle and stupid paperwork and the chances of being ripped off by someone in the chain is too large.  I only transport things personally now - usually on the plane.  Personal imports in suitcases are usually not interesting to the authorities unless it's prohibited goods.

Assuming legitimate goods, if driving across an EU border, if it doesn't fit in the car, you're screwed.  It has to be a car or similar, a van attracts too much interest as it looks like a "commercial" vehicle and you'll be pulled over by time wasting authorities.   The alternative to the van is to take a minibus with the seats taken out which then seems like just another car with people in it.

No-one should be sending vitamins across the borders. It's always going to be inspected and potentially confiscated. It's not like vitamins aren't available in the EU - everything can be found somewhere.  Better to source them internal to the EU and get them sent that way.  Then there's likely no interest from the authorities.

My family have been told not to send anything to me by post but to hold on to it until I can pick it up personally.  So far it's worked but an acquaintance sent me a birthday card by UK special delivery and paid £25 to do it.  Magyar Posta and Customs then thought it was worth something.  It was a dick move on the part of the sender. Then we were charged about 2000 HUF to pick it up and it took weeks to do it.   Now they've all been warned, never to send packages from the UK to me in Hungary.

I think you all will have worked out I don't agree with Brexit.

Yes, we now do our vitamin shopping online and pick up at one of their locations in the city.

My son was super concerned because of my illness and bought me a off beat suppliment in a pure form.

After that I buy locally but doubt it is as strong or pure as what he bought in Japan.

It is made from a mushroom extract.

We always check before placing any orders to make sure it is not going to be held up in customs or leave us with a bill.

Wish I could drive over some items from the US but alas, no bridge that long.

Thank you…

The vitamins I sent , was made in USA. 100% vegan . No animal product was used yo make it .Also, my brother in law owns the viramin shop . He is a seventh day adventist  . (…I am also a SDA)

    I have told everyone to not send me anything from outside of Hungary.
2 years ago my son sent me some vitamins from Japan.
He was charged $150. for them, a good deal for what he bought me.
His postage from Japan to Hungary was $80.
I did however get a notice to pick them up at the main post office. That was a surprise because they usually do not bother letting you know you have a package.
It cost another $50. is customs fees. The package was not heavy at all, less then a pound.
After that , I found a different source for my vitamins.
I have so many worst postal tales then that over the 10 years in Hungary.
Once it took over 5 months to get a package I sent myself from the US to HU.
I never would of even known where it was until I asked for my insurance claim. Out of nowhere they told me it was in the Netherlands. It arrived about a week or so after I filed my claim for insurance.
   

    -@Marilyn Tassy

You are OK to have things sent to you from within the EU, anything outside theeen you have to pay more to receive it.

    Thank you…
The vitamins I sent , was made in USA. 100% vegan . No animal product was used yo make it .Also, my brother in law owns the viramin shop . He is a seventh day adventist  . (…I am also a SDA)
   

    -@jc35252002

Not sure how any of that is really relevant. 

You can find all that kind of stuff made in the EU and made to those or superior standards.

You are OK to have things sent to you from within the EU, anything outside theeen you have to pay more to receive it.
   

    -@SimCityAT

Yup, that's it. 

If anything EU standards will be higher.   

As far as I know, EU doesn't allow GM or hormone treated products.

    Thank you…The vitamins I sent , was made in USA. 100% vegan . No animal product was used yo make it .Also, my brother in law owns the viramin shop . He is a seventh day adventist  . (…I am also a SDA)        -@jc35252002

I know SDA do not eat meat or animal products.

I bet you did take a hit on the postage if it was for a vitamin shop. probably a large order of vitamins.

I will go off topic, the BEST family doctor ever was treating us for over 35 plus years in our small town.

He is well known to long time residents there.

Dr. J.O. Jones. He was a SDA and was the most thoughtful, kind and helpful doctor anyone could have.

He was modest too. He spent his own money opening the first large hospital in our town and called it the Adventist Hospital, never had the ego to call it under his own name.

He was in his 60s perhaps and still going to Africa once a year to treat people for free for a month or so. Just brought in other doctors to cover for his office while he treated people overseas.

He basically froze his fees for many years and people with large families he often hardly charged at all. He would send out apology letters if and when he ever needed to raise his fees. In the end he stopped taking new patients as he aged. Worked well into his 80s.

He was the first doctor in our small town , went way back to the farming days where people paid him with chickens and his office was the place where most of the population was born.

He delivered my 2 siblings, treated my family, husband even my son. HIs SIL and brother also worked in his office and it felt like family every time we got ill, like he really had a stake in our wellbeing.

I suppose he ruined all doctors following him for me.

@Marilyn Tassy On life, vegan and age, I am easy, I am 61 (over), I am still alive (even with some meds), but I like to enjoy life when I can (especially restaurants cigarettes and alcohol). OK my health is not perfect (understatement), but there are some nice things in life.

I have to say YouTube is really a plus.

How long to go, I have no clue, but for a man with so many vices 61+ is not too bad. (also considering ages of male relatives (father died at 39 and both grandfathers died both well before 60).

Women are stronger I think.

    @Marilyn Tassy On life, vegan and age, I am easy, I am 61 (over), I am still alive (even with some meds), but I like to enjoy life when I can (especially restaurants cigarettes and alcohol). OK my health is not perfect (understatement), but there are some nice things in life.
I have to say YouTube is really a plus.

How long to go, I have no clue, but for a man with so many vices 61+ is not too bad. (also considering ages of male relatives (father died at 39 and both grandfathers died both well before 60).
Women are stronger I think.
   

    -@cdw057

91 or even 101 is better is it not?   You don't have to accept your relatives died early and that means you will too.   And certainly there's no reason to hurry things along with the vices.

Women are XX and therefore have two copies of the genes necessary to protect their health. If one is defective, the other can be used.   Men on the other hand get one X and one Y.  And therefore have only one chance to get it right.  So in one way, they are stronger for sure.

There's no substitute for good genes. But medical science sure helps!

        Thank you…The vitamins I sent , was made in USA. 100% vegan . No animal product was used yo make it .Also, my brother in law owns the viramin shop . He is a seventh day adventist  . (…I am also a SDA)        -@jc35252002I know SDA do not eat meat or animal products.I bet you did take a hit on the postage if it was for a vitamin shop. probably a large order of vitamins.I will go off topic, the BEST family doctor ever was treating us for over 35 plus years in our small town. He is well known to long time residents there.Dr. J.O. Jones. He was a SDA and was the most thoughtful, kind and helpful doctor anyone could have.He was modest too. He spent his own money opening the first large hospital in our town and called it the Adventist Hospital, never had the ego to call it under his own name.....He was the first doctor in our small town , went way back to the farming days where people paid him with chickens and his office was the place where most of the population was born.He delivered my 2 siblings, treated my family, husband even my son. HIs SIL and brother also worked in his office and it felt like family every time we got ill, like he really had a stake in our wellbeing.I suppose he ruined all doctors following him for me.        -@Marilyn Tassy

I don't know anything about SDAs and what they do and believe.   There was one exception.

I drove 20 minutes to a shopping mall to buy an ice cream.

It was a Saturday and it was closed!  I was surprised. Closed on Saturday! What's going on?

Apparently, they close on Saturdays as they were SDAs.  I never knew that.   

I had to go a different day to try and get my ice cream and  yup, you've guessed it, they'd run out of the one I wanted!   

Yes, Saturday I also believe really is the 7th day of the week.

My mother was very interested in the SDA church but being a mom of 6 and not having allot to give away, the tithing issue put her off.

Our family doctor and his way of life was a great example of service and giving which interested her allot.

The only so called luxury he indulged in was building a big white home on a hill for his wife and family. His car was a nice average middle class one, he was always on call and ready for any emergency his patients needed.

Even as an adult if my son felt ill I was always able to see him the same day.

When I was 15 and my friends and I were goofing around being crazy, I dislocated my knee.

It was on a Saturday afternoon.

I was taken by ambulance to his hospital ,had x rays and was waiting for my knee to be put into place. Like magic there was Dr. Jones, he was chatting nicely with me, asking what I had done to myself this time when without me even flinching he had already put my knee in place .Smooth and easy.

Same thing happened at 21 on Maui, needed 2 huge men and the doctor pulling tucking and me screaming to get my knee in place again.

He was one cool doctor for sure.