Permanent residency invalid due to not entering brazil within 2 years

Member since 17 June 2015

n_aliMember22 June 2022 20:07:37

Hi, my permanent residency is valid till2024. I live outside Brazil. But i couldnt travel back to brazil within 2 years.

Is my residency expired? How can i renew it ?

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abthree Brazil Expert

Member since 28 December 2017

abthreeBrazil Expert22 June 2022 20:42:39

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06/22/22 Hi, my permanent residency is valid till2024. I live outside Brazil. But i couldnt travel back to brazil within 2 years.

Is my residency expired? How can i renew it ?
- @n_ali

Your best bet is to check with the nearest Brazilian Embassy to find out what your options are. If the reason that you couldn't travel back to Brazil involved covid travel restrictions, be sure to state that in your communication with the Embassy.

Texanbrazil ViP

Member since 10 February 2018

TexanbrazilViP23 June 2022 14:57:05

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Are you saying you cannot travel within 2 years? Just for a short visit?

As abthree has mentioned if it is medical issues check with the embassy next year.

2024 is too far to predict things in Brazil. I would want to go through proving resident after 2 years.

I am always told when I leave Brazil to watch the 2-year limit.

bepmoht Serial expat

Member since 10 May 2020

bepmohtSerial expat23 June 2022 21:30:36

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@n_ali

On what date did you last touch Brazilian soil? It will be interesting to see how they handle your situation. Please keep us updated and good luck.

MotoEspresso Active member

Member since 03 September 2011

MotoEspressoActive member11 July 2022 13:51:03

@n_ali

If we are truly, card carrying, Permanent Legal Residents why should we have any restrictions and time limits on our whereabouts?

We've jumped through all their hoops and we only have a 2 year, restriction of visiting outside?

Texanbrazil ViP

Member since 10 February 2018

TexanbrazilViP11 July 2022 14:07:35

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@moto,

It is true on the 2-year restriction. I have no idea what other countries do, but early on PF would mention "watch your days"!

abthree Brazil Expert

Member since 28 December 2017

abthreeBrazil Expert11 July 2022 15:20:38

6365

07/11/11 If we are truly, card carrying, Permanent Legal Residents why should we have any restrictions and time limits on our whereabouts?
We've jumped through all their hoops and we only have a 2 year, restriction of visiting outside?
- @MotoEspresso

Their country, their rules.

Look at it this way: a US Green Card is a lot more difficult to get, and a person loses it as soon as s/he is out of the country for more than six months. Brazil is pretty generous with permanent residency; more countries seem to be like the US.

rnbtg Contributor

Member since 10 February 2022

rnbtgContributor11 July 2022 15:29:54

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Their country, their rules.

Look at it this way: a US Green Card is a lot more difficult to get, and a person loses it as soon as s/he is out of the country for more than six months. Brazil is pretty generous with permanent residency; more countries seem to be like the US.
- @abthree

Same thought. When I heard Brazil gave 2 years, knowing lots of folks who struggled with the 6 month rule in the US, I felt like I struck gold! It's very generous. That said borders, centralized state power, and the inhumane aspects of migration produced by them will always hurt someone so I feel for your predicament and hope you find a solution.

rraypo Serial expat

Member since 01 October 2020

rraypoSerial expat11 July 2022 17:50:03

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@n_ali
If we are truly, card carrying, Permanent Legal Residents why should we have any restrictions and time limits on our whereabouts?
We've jumped through all their hoops and we only have a 2 year, restriction of visiting outside?
- @MotoEspresso

Compared to legally immigrating to the USA, the "hoops" Brasil has are truly nothing. I was an immigrant to the USA, (Iceland, through the US Department of State) as was my wife, (Brasil, through the USCIS). In the USA, the USCIS offers absolutely no help, you cannot call them and ask any specific questions about an application, unlike working with the great staff at the Brazilian Consulates who will guide you step-by-step on even the most simple of questions and forms. I have helped a number of others accomplish US Immigration coming from several different countries. Often, the paperwork process can fill a book and the process can be very different depending on the home country of the individual with rejections being commonplace. All immigrants face a temporary "Green Card" followed by an "Adjustment of Status" process, something Brasil does not force on us. We obtain real Permanent Residency after sending in a few very quick and easy forms, a very small monetary fee, and finally one super-fast, easy final appointment/interview. For immigrants to the USA coming from say China, after filing and approval of the massive initial application process, it can easily take over three years just to get an interview with USCIS, (I have done three of these for Chinese Nationals after immigration attorneys had screwed it all up for the poor people). We can also compare costs to complete the process. Currently, I estimate the cost, per person, to legally immigrate to the USA at $10,000 US dollars. Think about that financial impact for a family of four or more. Sorry, but as abthree stated, their country, their rules, and the two-year rule is just a minor inconvenience, after all, we are supposed to be "Permanent Residents", living in Brasil, not just guests or tourists.

abthree Brazil Expert

Member since 28 December 2017

abthreeBrazil Expert11 July 2022 19:14:26

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6365

07/11/22 after all, we are supposed to be "Permanent Residents", living in Brasil, not just guests or tourists.
- @rraypo

And that's the key point. Brazil doesn't extend Permanent Residency to foreigners under the Family Reunion policy just because the foreigner has a Brazilian in the family. It's so that the Braziliancitizen can live in Brazil and have their loved one with them. It's easy to miss in the flurry of getting the visa, but the Brazilian "Chamante" has to confirm that s/he actually lives in Brazil to make it happen. Non-residents are welcome to come to Brazil on tourist visas, like anyone else. It's not a punishment of any kind, it's just that resident status has certain qualifications, and one of the qualifications has expired.

In ordinary times, a two-year absence would be seen as non-residency by any reasonable third party. However, with extensive covid lockdowns in our recent past, it's possible that there are some people who planned in good faith to be back within two years, but were prevented from doing so by being locked down by the country they were in, or locked out by Brazil and missed their deadline because of that. People who think that they're in that position who want to return to Brazil should definitely contact the nearest Brazilian Consulate to determine what their status really is.

Kurterino Serial expat

Member since 28 August 2011

KurterinoSerial expat14 July 2022 10:18:22

#11

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. Currently, I estimate the cost, per person, to legally immigrate to the USA at $10,000 US dollars. Think about that financial impact for a family of four or more.
- @rraypo

Well, from the perspective of the host country, it makes a lot of sense to have ‘financial hurdles’, since you would prefer immigrants who are well-off financially, rather than those who might end up needing assistance from the government.

ltoby955 Serial expat

Member since 15 July 2022

ltoby955Serial expat15 July 2022 19:40:51

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I have the permanent tresidency for Portugal and it is the very same rule max two years away unless you inform the border guards office, then they may extend theperiod to three years.

n_ali Member

Member since 17 June 2015

n_aliMember22 March 2025 21:27:20

#13

@n_ali

Hi everyone. Finally I have got my visit visa to brazil approved. Can someone guide me now how to renew my expired permanent residency.

note: my child is Brazilian national. My Permanent Residency expired due to not entering brazil for more than 2 years. During covid i couldnt travel and later my visit visa kept on getting rejected by the embassy.