Anyone from Hawaii?

shelleyfreeman wrote:

Property in Hawaii is very expensive compared to Florida.  The cost of living in general was high.  I have been to PR twice, the last time this year.  I saw a lot of improvements from the 1st time.  How ever we were there when there was no power in San Juan.  PR is in a lot of debt. What are the advantages to the US to taking on so much debt and making PR a state?

I agree that it makes no sense for congress, but the governor elect and his party are set on holding a vote next year to ask for equal treatment by becoming a state. I think is unlikely for many years to come, specially with a 72 billion debt and a 40+ billion hole in the retirement plan for goverment employees.
I am not even sure the goverment has really worked on answering 1/2 the questions I raised, yet they are trying to sell people into voting for statehood. Makes no sense to me.

katzgar wrote:

Most hispanic cultures do not fit with US culture, you see that all over Florida but that will change in subsequent generations.

Please explain the above, NY city was one of the original areas where Caribbean people settle at and I have seen no real clash, also Cubans been in Florida for many years and between Puerto Rican's and Cubans in Florida, we are talking about a million and a half or so.

I been in the US for 43 years I have never felt that the two cultures clashed, different but not clashing in my opinion. I am not in anyway implying you are wrong, just saying that I have not seen or experienced any cultural clashes. For example in some countries stoning a cheating wife, performing sexual mutilation, and honor killings would definitely clash if practiced in the US, but Hispanic cultures do not have such practices.

Maybe you see things from a different angle or the fact that you live in Florida have you exposed to things I do not normally see.
Please explain what sort of things in your opinion clash culturally, language yes, but besides that?
Thanks

P.S. If I were to visit Florida, where would I go to see the type of cultural clashes you speak off?

Between legally Immigrated Mexicans, Puerto Rican's, Cubans, and small groups from other Hispanic countries, Spanish may become a very important language in the US as 2nd and 3rd generations of those continue to grow.

katzgar wrote:

I lived in Ft Lauderdale for 2 years and the cultural thing is complicated.  Things like fake dentists operating out of rental storage units, fake chinese goods, pill mills, laying in front of cars at intersections to claim injury, through the roof insurance fraud, nepotism and counterfeit money are all cultural differences that are not acceptable in the US generally.  I am from minnesota from a german background and such behavour is just not acceptable.

Cubans that arrived way back look at recent cuban arrivals as lazy because recent cubans grew up under castro.  My boss in Florida was from Venezuela and he wont go back there now.

I would not call that cultural, just people taking advantage of the system and crime. They are not acceptable practices in Puerto Rico either. Fake accidents and fraud like that happens in many states and is not always latinos.

Fred wrote:

The adoption of language changed in various countries as other countries invaded and colonised them.
English and Spanish were unknown in North America until invading forces made the locals speak their languages, but history seems to be of little interest to most.
I'm pretty sure English speakers were a very tiny minority in Hawaii until the US invasion forced American English on them.
PR's primary language seems to be Spanish with English being introduced when America attacked, invaded and colonised in 1898.
Others moan on about Spanish being used in many US states, but all the moaners ignore the minor detail the US took over those states from the previous Spanish invaders.
Of course Spanish is widely spoken.

As for the pathetic racist posts about crime being down to given groups; to make that silly idea valid you have to ignore crime committed by all other groups.
Do minority populations commit crime, of course SOME of them do, but so do some members of the majority population.

Now, who would like a nice moan about the Amish refusing to accept English and their refusal to accept America culture?

you need to get better with facts as Amish speak english in addition to PA dutch.   http://amishamerica.com/what-language-d … ish-speak/

"Do minority populations commit crime, of course SOME of them do, but so do some members of the majority population."   this is obviously obvious

Fred wrote:

As for the pathetic racist posts about crime being down to given groups; to make that silly idea valid you have to ignore crime committed by all other groups.
Do minority populations commit crime, of course SOME of them do, but so do some members of the majority population.

Political correctness will be the end of all of us no matter what race. It is not racist to point to official stats. What is racist is to assume that because someone "looks" like part of an ethnic group that is more often involved in crime that this person is not to be trusted the same than anyone else.
Nonetheless, crime in the US is committed at various pace depending of your ethnic background, but this is because of where you live, not the color of your skin. African Americans are most likely to be confronted with a gang problem because of where most of them live (poor urban areas) than the average white (suburbs). But do not imply that there is not a problem with gangs, unemployment, poverty and drugs.