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Desperately seeking to retire permanently to Scotland

GuestPoster32974

I think I must have come across outdated  information about availability of retiring in Scotland as 1) retirees with Independent Means, and 2) my wife has two grandparents born in the UK, which could have given us a heritage Visa.


These seem to no longer be helpful to our wish to retire in Scotland. It seems we would only be able to visit for 6 months. We will be having a discussion with an Immigration Advisor in the UK by phone this coming week, and hoping he has new or other information or ideas regarding a pathway for us to fulfill our dreams.


I'm almost sorry that I found this expired information first in my research. I've been so enthusiastic in everything I've done since.


So, here now, at expat.com, I am asking:

1) if anyone has other information that may restore our enthusiasm, and

2) if anyone has ideas about alternate countries to consider, either for permanent residency, or for some time of residency to establish either EU residency (passport) or residency in that specific country which would lead to an easy move to Scotland.


And, of course, other ideas & information is definitely welcome.


With relations between the U.S. and European (and nearly every other country in the world) being so poor and likely to worsen, we had wanted to get to Scotland as soon as possible. Now we have to consider alternatives - Netherlands, Ireland, France, Norway, Sweden, others....?


Any helpful information, suggestions, creative (LEGAL) ideas, encouragement, suggestions about alternatives, etc is very welcome. Respectfully, I've already found the disappointing information, and prefer to not read it again in replies to this thread. Unless you think some more bad news - something I don't already know about - is helpful, please don't reply with a reiteration of what I've just described about learning all the bad news.


Thanks to all in advance, for helpful replies.


Jeff

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Fred

Before you go for it, check crime rates and drug abuse statistics.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/370 … e%20rates.


Then check out the cost of living, essentials like rents and food first.


https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Edinburgh


Quality of life is pretty bad in the UK, and Scotland is at the arse end of it.

Frankly, the UK in general is a mess, and Scotland is a bigger one. I would strongly advise avoiding the place.

Cynic

Hi and welcome to the Forum.


Politically, there is no Utopia.  Right wing politics are on the rise across the world and if you think you are going to find a resurgent Democrat style government anywhere outside the USA, I think you will be disappointed.


Assuming you would prefer an English language speaking country, how about Ireland?  Check out this link to the Irish Government website.


If you are determined on the UK, then your only realistic chance is to return to the work place and find a job/employer willing to sponsor you.


I hope this helps.


Cynic

Expat Team

Fred

Assuming you would prefer an English language speaking country, how about Ireland? Check out this

Cynic
Expat Team - @Cynic

Good point.

Scotland isn't really an English speaking country.

It's sort of English at best.

Cynic

@Fred

They do share the Gaelic language.

GuestPoster32974

We've chosen Scotland deliberately, for several reasons, and researched quality of life & costs, etc.

No, we don't expect Utopia anywhere.  I'm experienced at managing and leading large scale complex projects, including researching widely & deeply to gain knowledge & perspective toward connecting dots and solving problems. So, we're not approaching this as wide-eyed naive fantasy.


I do have career history that may of value, in business leadership and academics. I'll be exploring that for possible opportunities to leverage job offers and a Visa. We have had our own small business consultancy practice since 2005, but I'm not confident of that offering 'unique' value, not would I expect it to meet business growth requirements toward obtaining an Innovator or Founder Visa. But, again, well discuss this with the Immigration Advisor.


I'll also be reviewing a program by which Scotland subsidizes with £50,000 for people willing to live on an island. I know nothing about this program, yet.


Yes, we're exploring other countries, now, too, and Ireland is on that list. I have a lot to do, now, unexpectedly (and disappointingly), so it's going to take some time. I will look for other threads on this site, and I appreciate links & suggestions.

Fred

Numbers and real life are different.

I sound anti because I ran away from the drug fuelled crime toilet we call the UK.  You can't really understand it until you live it, then move to a place where that stuff isn't a thing.

Cynic

@jeff9558

The Scottish islands bond scheme was scrapped in 2022.

GuestPoster32974

Well, you do know that we're in the United States right now, don't you?

GuestPoster32974

@Cynic

OK, thanks. Save me some time...

GuestPoster32974

@Fred

Well, you do know that we're in the United States right now, don't you?

Fred

@Fred
Well, you do know that we're in the United States right now, don't you? - @jeff9558

I do.

The question is, do you have drug addicts on the street in the middle of cities with the police doing nothing?

Do shoppers ignore them because it is so normal?

Are you used to 1 out of every 10 people you meet being a victim of crime?

If so, why do you fancy a country that has the same?


I moved away from that rubbish to a country where hardly anyone knows a person that has been subjected to a crime.

The difference is stunning.

That is why I cannot recommend anywhere in the UK as a good place to expatriate.

GuestPoster32974

@Fred

OK, got it. I'm not going to debate about about your experience. I've read your input, and will give it due consideration.

SimCityAT

@Fred

Not everywhere is as bad as you say. Sure there are some rough areas, but you can say that everywhere.


Even in my sleepy town in Austria, people smoke weed, but the crime rate is very low. Generally Austria is very safe country, but I wouldn't want to live in some areas of Vienna.

SimCityAT

@jeff9558

This link might be of use https://www.scotland.police.uk/about-us … rime-data/

Cynic

@Fred
OK, got it. I'm not going to debate about about your experience. I've read your input, and will give it due consideration. - @jeff9558


The Numbeo organisation have a website that provides lots of statistical information; this link will take you straight to it.  It covers:

  1. Cost of living.
  2. Property prices
  3. Quality of life (including Crime, Healthcare, Pollution and traffic)

It has a data set for the United Kingdom, but nothing for Scotland, I assume because in Expat terms, Scotland is actually a part of the UK.


Whatever, I wish both you and your wife all the best of luck in your journey.


Cynic

Expat Team

GuestPoster32974

@Cynic

Thank you