Brexit and its implications for British, HU and any other citizens

@fluffy2560 Skilled being key word haha, im going to call the irish embassy tommorow and see what they say i think my great great grandad was irish
-@Kieran Paget

There is an off chance the British Embassy can help you as well. So please contact them also.

@fluffy2560 Skilled being key word haha, im going to call the irish embassy tommorow and see what they say i think my great great grandad was irish
-@Kieran Paget

Let us know what they say. 

As far as I know it's only great grandparents.  Doesn't go back further than that which is a shame.  I've got no problem being Irish (and British) if it makes my life easier in HU.

But I expect they're experiencing a real rush on this from "UK" people annoyed about Brexit.

the way its going im going to be moving to Canada or something , looked at taking me back to the uk with my partner but the process would be costing us upwards of 5000GBP
-@Kieran Paget

Is your partner a Hungarian citizen?

My son has spent thousands of dollars on immigration to bring over first his HUngarian wife then his Japanese wife.

Last he paid in fees was over $900. on top of many other large payments to the US gov. for her to take the US citizenship test.

Waited and waited for a date to go in. Never happened in over a year of waiting.

Fianlly they just packed up and moved to Japan.

He was just sick of the BS with everything in the US. His job, the immigration, the people just everything.

Japan is much easier to immigrate to for him then for his wife to immigrate to the US.

Not really encouraging anyone to get married if they aren't ready for it but if your partner is Hungarian maybe you can marry and get all your paperwork?

It's so hard to love a person from another country, they don't make it easy to be together.

I remember in the 1970's my US sister and her HU boyfriend met in Ca. Lived together for a long while then went to Canada where he had started his immigration paperwork.

She was able to work in Canada and they were fine for over a year.

For some reason he wanted to return to Ca. so they left Canada.

At the boarder they agents wouldn't let him back into the US and they wouldn't let my sister back into Canada.

It was sad, many tears and promises.

They never saw each other again, sadly.

If they had married legally it would of turned out differently.

Yes, I'm not sure about those FB jobs, I did notice that some do mention salary and hours though.

I am sure they are just starter type jobs, nothing to build a life on.

Best wishes  with the embassies.

@fluffy2560 Skilled being key word haha, im going to call the irish embassy tommorow and see what they say i think my great great grandad was irish
-@Kieran Paget

There is an off chance the British Embassy can help you as well. So please contact them also.
-@SimCityAT

I think they will be useless as Irish citizenship is nothing to do with the British Embassy.   Unfortunately Brexit is UK policy, so the Embassy is only going to spout the same line.  But in any case, I've always found them to be generally uncooperative, unfriendly and expensive to deal with.  I have a particular annoyance over things like consular birth certificates for kids born overseas.  Outrageously high priced.   And no passport issuance locally.  FFS?!

More importantly,  I've been trying to nail down my Irish ancestor (born in Antrim, Northern Ireland) via the Family Search  web site: click here. 

It's free as it's run by the Church of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons).  It has good access to lots of records. It's quite helpful. 

I am lucky because I still have a 98 year old Dad to ask as well.  He's cleared up quite a few anomalies and he remembers the Irish connection but is unable to recall the details.  I am unsure where this Irish person is in the direct line.  It's just outside of his recall from way back then but he knows of it. Pretty good for 98.

Hmm, my half-sibs can claim Irish citizenship if they want to?

Their father was half Irish, his father came over as an immigrant.

That makes them 1/4th Irish.

I possibly could claim Polish citizenship through my father. He was born in Poland but such a long time ago I wonder if those old records even count? I am first generation American on that side.

My grandmother was born in Austria /Hungary which later was part of Poland.

She was born in 1902, my father in 1921.

I think some countries are more liberal with making claims to be a citizen through family roots then others are.

Hungary has to be one of the harder ones to join.

I take that back, perhaps the Mohawk nation is one of the hardest to join.

I called the nation up in Canada after my mother died.

Just out of curiosity and respect I wanted to know if she could become a tribal member because my aunt was a tribal member of another nation through her husband. My mother deserved to be reconnized as well.

I know it's strange after someone has already passed but my mother was clsoe to that nation, her full blooded Mohawk grandmother raised her .

Well the women I spoke to over the phone was very nice but man, forget it.

You need to be a min. of 1/4th Mohawk PLUS have 5 tribal memebers stand for you and swear they know you are part native.

Since my mother was deceased that was not going to happen.

Sort of an exclusive club to join.

This spring my native family is having a big native send off for my deceased brother.

The whole, Sha-bang. Flute players, drummers, scared fire ,smudging ceremony ,sweat londge etc.

Just seems odd to me that my excepted native family members are going full out when my brother was not part of the nation.

Better late then never?

Just saw a job post on FB, looking for a general worker.40 Euros , 9 am till 6 pm.

Not sure if they are only paying 40 Euros for the entire day or not.

Guess that would work out to smething like $250. per week US?

Just saw a job post on FB, looking for a general worker.40 Euros , 9 am till 6 pm.
Not sure if they are only paying 40 Euros for the entire day or not.
Guess that would work out to smething like $250. per week US?
-@Marilyn Tassy

Sounds almost like exploitation. Probably a scam - "payment processor" or piece work.

Minimum wage in Hungary in 2022 is about $530 a month. That's nett of tax I suppose.

I don't think even $530 is survivable in Hungary for a single person living on their own considering all the recent price rises.

@Marilyn Tassy getting married don’t change my situation unfortunately, still wouldn’t be allowed to work get tay card ect, but we’re getting married hopefully next year she already has a ring in her finger

Spoke to the embassy and done my family tree ect my Irish is 3 generations back my great great granddad so not good for me, I asked if they make exceptions and they said no, unless you go money Ofcourse or are a footballer

Spoke to the embassy and done my family tree ect my Irish is 3 generations back my great great granddad so not good for me, I asked if they make exceptions and they said no, unless you go money Ofcourse or are a footballer
-@Kieran Paget

I got the same kind of story for my great great whatever. Too far back to make a difference. I've also got a German ancestor but that's even further back.

Because of the UK/Ireland travel area, you can work in Ireland and so can your HU missus (as EU citizen).

And you can work in say, Germany as an appendage to your wife working there. But it doesn't apply if she's living in her home country.

Overall, it's Boris Brexit ballcocks.  If Starmer gets in, he might try and get it back but I wouldn't hold your breath.

@Marilyn Tassy getting married don’t change my situation unfortunately, still wouldn’t be allowed to work get tay card ect, but we’re getting married hopefully next year she already has a ring in her finger
-@Kieran Paget

That's sweet, congrats.

I suppose I'm out of the loop, I would think being married to a citizen would,"bump" you up in status and make things easier.

My son had to prove he could support his Jpanese wife for a perido of time but as he paid along in the US immigration system and she was in the states longer and longer, she got a green card and work permit.

She never worked however... Another story on that raw subject another time.

I know as a 3 cuntry citizen I had a really hard time with immigration here.

My husband at the time was the only one with US income coming in and he was my,"guardian" had to prove he could support me on his own.

Hungary is just really tough with not wanting to supprt outsiders if they ever fall on hard times.

I forget the amount we had to put into savings too over here. Maybe back 12 years ago or so it was a million frints , not that much but I think it's more now.

My US friend was living here for over 5 years but never got Taj or a work permit. Her father was on US disablity income and she was on paper his caretaker. They had to go into immigration every year and go over all their documents and show income etc.

Paying out of pocket for health care isn't too bad unless one falls very ill and needs extensive treatments.

The UK isn't too far off to fly to for health care if really needed.

I hope something works out.

As far as Irish citizenship goes, that's too bad it's so far removed .

I know on St. Patties Day in the US just about everyone is Irish.

My half-sibs are 1/4th Irish , their grandfather was from there.

I am 1/8th  either Irish( maybe not) Welsh or English. Had some Jones and Jacksons in the family tree.

Overall, it's Boris Brexit ballcocks. If Starmer gets in, he might try and get it back but I wouldn't hold your breath.
-@fluffy2560

Starmer has now gone on the record to say "There's no case for going back to the EU or going back into the single market."

Looks like the Lib Dims are the only main party offering rejoining the EU as a potential manifesto pledge.

Overall, it's Boris Brexit ballcocks. If Starmer gets in, he might try and get it back but I wouldn't hold your breath.
-@fluffy2560
Starmer has now gone on the record to say "There's no case for going back to the EU or going back into the single market."

Looks like the Lib Dims are the only main party offering rejoining the EU as a potential manifesto pledge.
-@Cynic

I don't believe him. I am sure he'll shift if the polling shows people in favour which it surely must do. He's keeping stumm until he's in No 10 and the former Tory supporters have voted Labour. It needs another referendum. We were denied that voice both here in Europe and in the UK.

BTW, paralleling restoring freedom of movement, I'm also hoping to win the lottery by the next election. And I want to believe in fairies and Santa too.

Willing to take those wins early.

Overall, it's Boris Brexit ballcocks. If Starmer gets in, he might try and get it back but I wouldn't hold your breath.
-@fluffy2560
Starmer has now gone on the record to say "There's no case for going back to the EU or going back into the single market."

Looks like the Lib Dims are the only main party offering rejoining the EU as a potential manifesto pledge.
-@Cynic


I don't believe him. I am sure he'll shift if the polling shows people in favour which it surely must do. He's keeping stumm until he's in No 10 and the former Tory supporters have voted Labour. It needs another referendum. We were denied that voice both here in Europe and in the UK.

BTW, paralleling restoring freedom of movement, I'm also hoping to win the lottery by the next election. And I want to believe in fairies and Santa too.

Willing to take those wins early.
-@fluffy2560

Politics is a very strange thing they will say anything to get votes. But my thinking is the UK will ask to rejoin the EU in 5 years.

Politics is a very strange thing they will say anything to get votes. But my thinking is the UK will ask to rejoin the EU in 5 years.
-@SimCityAT

Yes, they will say anything.  Just the nature of the game. That's why we all think politicians are spin doctors and bar stewards. I listen to them on the radio all the time. It's useful to hear how they engage with the media.  Lib Dems haven't got a hope of winning anything. I am not sure I would vote for them - except we're not allowed to vote if you've been gone more than 15 years. All political parties should address that.

If UK rejoins in 5 years, that'll be just in time to change to the permanent residence permit from just residence permit.  And then we'd no longer need it if back in the EU and freedom of movement restored. Like Sisyphus and his boulder.   So put up with all this BS, then find at the end of it, we're back to where we were at the beginning of Brexit. i.e. Square one. Terrible.

I asked a Hungarian living in the UK if Brexit changed anything for them. Nope. Everything is the same as before. It's not the same for the British in Europe.

@Marilyn Tassy getting married don’t change my situation unfortunately, still wouldn’t be allowed to work get tay card ect, but we’re getting married hopefully next year she already has a ring in her finger
-@Kieran Paget

Supposedly if you've been on a RP (Residence Permit) for 1 year, you can join the TAJ card system and pay 8K HUF a month for the privilege.  Only gets you health care, not social or unemployment benefits.

If you were working in HU you'd be in the system regardless.

One thing you could do is go back to the UK, work for 90 days to top up the cash and then come back to Hungary. So many job vacancies over there.

Unfortunately, as far as I know, you're not supposed to be out of the country (HU) more than 270 days in 3 years.  You can go longer but have to inform immigration. Who actually does that, what it does for you long term, and what happens if you don't I've no idea.   There's conflicting information in the WA (Withdrawal Agreement).  The WA you can be absent for just under 6 months of the year.  Don't know more.

The 270 days rule is a serious problem but that's EU wide on RPs. Yet another BBB (Boris Brexit Ballsup).

I believe that you can pay and join the Taj system before you are a perm resident but the cost is really high. Forget once again how much per month but I think it was like $300. per month?

I had to wait a full year after getting my resident permit to join Taj.

My second year here i just paid monthly, no issues ever.

They have so many different ways of doing it depending on your status. You'd have to go into their office and see what is up.

My husband who is a HU citizen had to pay every month and not use Taj for the first year he was home. The second year he could finally use Taj and didn't have to pay It's like he pre paid but couldn't use it the first year.

The 3rd year he just paid monthly.

I'm happy to be paying 8,000 forints per month for coverage.

It' a God send coming from the USA.

My friend who today turns 67 is handicapped. She and her husband pay out $174. per month each for medicare, what is offered and mandatory to buy for those over age 65 Unless you have another insurance. They force you to pay for medicare, they take the money striaght out of your SS every month. Then they have a supplimental plan that is suppose to help pay for dental and drugs.Think she siad that was another $134. per month each!

Well this past week my friend was suppose to get a root channel and thought it was covered with her supplimental insurance. The dentist called her to tell her even with extra coverage it would be costing them $1,200 for her tooth.

Yesterday she changed supplimental insurnace but it hasn't kicked in yet. Hench to say she didn't get her tooth fixed yet.Poor gal, bad enough she is in a wheelchair and has other serious issues.

Her husband had cancer treatments 2 years ago, they charged medicare $98,000 for his treatments and tests. They still were charged $9,800 out of pocket even with 2 health palns. It's insane in the US, the only way to survive there is to be poor and get everything for free or to be rich.

I believe that you can pay and join the Taj system before you are a perm resident but the cost is really high. Forget once again how much per month but I think it was like $300. per month?
I had to wait a full year after getting my resident permit to join Taj.
My second year here i just paid monthly, no issues ever.
They have so many different ways of doing it depending on your status. You'd have to go into their office and see what is up.
My husband who is a HU citizen had to pay every month and not use Taj for the first year he was home. The second year he could finally use Taj and didn't have to pay It's like he pre paid but couldn't use it the first year.
The 3rd year he just paid monthly.
I'm happy to be paying 8,000 forints per month for coverage.
It' a God send coming from the USA.
My friend who today turns 67 is handicapped. She and her husband pay out $174. per month each for medicare, what is offered and mandatory to buy for those over age 65 Unless you have another insurance. They force you to pay for medicare, they take the money striaght out of your SS every month. Then they have a supplimental plan that is suppose to help pay for dental and drugs.Think she siad that was another $134. per month each!
Well this past week my friend was suppose to get a root channel and thought it was covered with her supplimental insurance. The dentist called her to tell her even with extra coverage it would be costing them $1,200 for her tooth.
Yesterday she changed supplimental insurnace but it hasn't kicked in yet. Hench to say she didn't get her tooth fixed yet.Poor gal, bad enough she is in a wheelchair and has other serious issues.
Her husband had cancer treatments 2 years ago, they charged medicare $98,000 for his treatments and tests. They still were charged $9,800 out of pocket even with 2 health palns. It's insane in the US, the only way to survive there is to be poor and get everything for free or to be rich.
-@Marilyn Tassy

Yes, that seems to be the rule. After 1 year of a RP, one can join TAJ healthcare for the 8K HUF/month fixed rate.  I become eligible in January 2023 as it's 1 year since I received my RP under the WA (EU-UK Withdrawal Agreement). We'll see.

Medical costs in the USA are quite absurd. It's the only developed country I know of that has a system like that. Being brought up with the (free at point of use) UK NHS makes it hard to believe such a system as the US healthcare system exists AND is supported by many. It's one of the reasons why I wouldn't want to live there, especially as I get older. I don't know why people put up with it. 

Your friend should take a trip to Mexico to get her teeth fixed. She can probably fly to Turkey and get it done for a couple of hundred - less than $1200 probably.  I know it'd difficult if she's already sick. Maybe get the tooth taken out. Cheaper the root canal probably.

I did an exercise recently pricing up my medications as though I was in the USA without insurance. Absolutely unaffordable. I would probably would have been dead several years ago or living in a tent.

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT

Experts cautioned that the data did not specify why people were ordered to leave so not all expulsions may have been related to residency rules

maybe ovetstaying tourists, criminals, and other assorted scumbags.

That assumes it is actually true.  Remember The Guardian was very anti brexit so they may well be inclined to print rubbish to backup their points.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/41 … out-papers

Without details, it's just a rubbish non-story

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT
Experts cautioned that the data did not specify why people were ordered to leave so not all expulsions may have been related to residency rules

maybe ovetstaying tourists, criminals, and other assorted scumbags.
That assumes it is actually true. Remember The Guardian was very anti brexit so they may well be inclined to print rubbish to backup their points.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/41 … out-papers

Without details, it's just a rubbish non-story
-@Fred

https://www.thelocal.se/20230104/reveal … ce-brexit/

Criminals, overstaying tourists and scumbags...

Funny.

I know personally 3 people who were deproted from the US and knew of a few others who were deported back to Hungary.

Yes, they all fit the bill of crimminals, overstaying tourists and generally just scumbags.

My husband was looking at some photos of old friends in Hawaii on FB recently.

He told me about some Hungarian older women who visited Hawaii from HU and wouldn't leave.

She finally was forced back to HU and the HU embassy had to bring her home.

She just refused to leave Hawaii.

The story is she was a super pushy person who invited herself to stay with people for a day or two and they all had to remove her because she wouldn't leave their homes. She would offer services like being a baby-sitter etc. but it was way too much for anyone to support her life long on her holiday.

Some people have to be forced out.

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT

I don't believe people didn't know they had to take positive action.   They must have been living with their heads in the sand.

But in any case, this whole thing is crap.   I asked a Hungarian in the UK if things had changed for them since Brexit and they said, nope, it was just the same as before.  In fact, that person said, it's going to get easier as they can just apply to be British citizens.  Then they can enjoy both worlds.

It's not the same here for me.  I get hassled more at the Schengen borders and I positively avoid transit by plane through any EU country.  I always try and entry and exit through Hungary to avoid  jobsworth/border morons/officials. 

Just getting travel insurance is difficult here too.   Previously you could buy travel insurance anywhere in the EU, even if you were resident in Hungary and the insurance was issued in the UK.

It's going to get worse. It's still not clear if we residents will be subject to the ETIAS system and have to be fingerprinted everytime we're in and out.  And I guess it'll be tit-for-tat for EU nationals entering the UK - a hassle for Mrs Fluffy.   

Brexit was retarded thinking.  I feel personally insulted by the lack of intelligence shown by UK voters.

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT


But in any case, this whole thing is crap.  I asked a Hungarian in the UK if things had changed for them since Brexit and they said, nope, it was just the same as before. In fact, that person said, it's going to get easier as they can just apply to be British citizens. Then they can enjoy both worlds.

-@fluffy2560

That only applies to some, not every country allows dual citizenship.

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT

I don't believe people didn't know they had to take positive action.  They must have been living with their heads in the sand.

But in any case, this whole thing is crap.  I asked a Hungarian in the UK if things had changed for them since Brexit and they said, nope, it was just the same as before. In fact, that person said, it's going to get easier as they can just apply to be British citizens. Then they can enjoy both worlds.

It's not the same here for me. I get hassled more at the Schengen borders and I positively avoid transit by plane through any EU country. I always try and entry and exit through Hungary to avoid jobsworth/border morons/officials.

Just getting travel insurance is difficult here too.  Previously you could buy travel insurance anywhere in the EU, even if you were resident in Hungary and the insurance was issued in the UK.

It's going to get worse. It's still not clear if we residents will be subject to the ETIAS system and have to be fingerprinted everytime we're in and out. And I guess it'll be tit-for-tat for EU nationals entering the UK - a hassle for Mrs Fluffy. 

Brexit was retarded thinking. I feel personally insulted by the lack of intelligence shown by UK voters.
-@fluffy2560

ETIAS documents are citizenship, not residency based and will be valid for 3 years from the date of issue; the issue you may face is that even with a valid passport and ETIAS document, the border guard can still refuse you entry if he/she wants to; if you like the border guard is the 3rd stage of the check and individual EU countries can implement this how and when they wish.  The solution for you may be to apply for Hungarian citizenship; Hungary does allow dual nationality.

My wife (EU national) has had no hassle or queues in her frequent travels to Holland (Schiphol) and Germany (Düsseldorf); the only travel hassle was flying out from Schiphol where they have a passenger cap and flights have been cancelled (they still today have covid staffing issues), sometimes at very short notice.  Jet2 has withdrawn all their flights from Leeds to Schiphol; if you want to go now it's KLM only and 600-pound return (which is what my son-in-law was charged last week for a flight next week, when he asked if there were any cheaper options, he was told, yeah, stay where you are at least until April (when the cap is reviewed again).  So, travel for EU nationals seems to be OK but expensive.  I've had no real hassle getting into the Netherlands, I only use the ferry and the queues at Europort were a bit longer while Hull is just like it's always been, in fact, it's quicker now they've withdrawn the Hull/Zeebrugge ferry service, that was last summer though and I also had a dog with me, which meant I got priority dis/embarkation at both ends; perhaps that's the answer.

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT
Experts cautioned that the data did not specify why people were ordered to leave so not all expulsions may have been related to residency rules

maybe ovetstaying tourists, criminals, and other assorted scumbags.
That assumes it is actually true. Remember The Guardian was very anti brexit so they may well be inclined to print rubbish to backup their points.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/41 … out-papers

Without details, it's just a rubbish non-story
-@Fred

https://www.thelocal.se/20230104/reveal … ce-brexit/
-@SimCityAT

Newspaper stories mean little as, even if they actually managed to get their facts right for once, we have no idea why these people were deported.

It may have absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.

If this is more than sensationalist crap, the story needs verification for something a little batter than a hack writing rubbish from a wine bar.

"I have never read a newspaper" seems to be a valid excuse for overstay .. if you're an anti-Brexit politician looking for a few column inches.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 … exit-rules

also, we need to know how this unverified number was arrived at, and how many were deported whilst the UK was a member of the EU.

What does the EU report?

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrows … ar?lang=en

Maths was never my major so I'm sure I'm reading this wrong when it doesn't add up to crap hacks writing for crap newspapers and their figures.

However, the EU never manages to produce a verifiable set of accounts, so their maths might well be as crap as mine.

Not that I would suggest anyone from such an upstanding profession as journalism would stoop to making crap up to sell their rags, - It would be as bad as suggesting lawyers and estate agents were bent pillocks that would rip off their own grannies if they knew they could earn off them.

This is odd. Numbers change depending on which page of the official sites you read

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrows … le?lang=en

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT


But in any case, this whole thing is crap. I asked a Hungarian in the UK if things had changed for them since Brexit and they said, nope, it was just the same as before. In fact, that person said, it's going to get easier as they can just apply to be British citizens. Then they can enjoy both worlds.

-@fluffy2560

That only applies to some, not every country allows dual citizenship.
-@SimCityAT

EU dual nationality is allowed. It used to be that you couldn't be German and something else but that was found wanting in the EU courts. So the rules are now you can be EU something and EU something else anywhere in the EU.

For some reason,  UAE now allows dual nationality.  Usually Arab countries are against that kind of thing.

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT

I don't believe people didn't know they had to take positive action. They must have been living with their heads in the sand.

But in any case, this whole thing is crap. I asked a Hungarian in the UK if things had changed for them since Brexit and they said, nope, it was just the same as before. In fact, that person said, it's going to get easier as they can just apply to be British citizens. Then they can enjoy both worlds.

It's not the same here for me. I get hassled more at the Schengen borders and I positively avoid transit by plane through any EU country. I always try and entry and exit through Hungary to avoid jobsworth/border morons/officials.

Just getting travel insurance is difficult here too. Previously you could buy travel insurance anywhere in the EU, even if you were resident in Hungary and the insurance was issued in the UK.

It's going to get worse. It's still not clear if we residents will be subject to the ETIAS system and have to be fingerprinted everytime we're in and out. And I guess it'll be tit-for-tat for EU nationals entering the UK - a hassle for Mrs Fluffy.

Brexit was retarded thinking. I feel personally insulted by the lack of intelligence shown by UK voters.
-@fluffy2560
ETIAS documents are citizenship, not residency based and will be valid for 3 years from the date of issue; the issue you may face is that even with a valid passport and ETIAS document, the border guard can still refuse you entry if he/she wants to; if you like the border guard is the 3rd stage of the check and individual EU countries can implement this how and when they wish. The solution for you may be to apply for Hungarian citizenship; Hungary does allow dual nationality.

My wife (EU national) has had no hassle or queues in her frequent travels to Holland (Schiphol) and Germany (Düsseldorf); the only travel hassle was flying out from Schiphol where they have a passenger cap and flights have been cancelled (they still today have covid staffing issues), sometimes at very short notice. Jet2 has withdrawn all their flights from Leeds to Schiphol; if you want to go now it's KLM only and 600-pound return (which is what my son-in-law was charged last week for a flight next week, when he asked if there were any cheaper options, he was told, yeah, stay where you are at least until April (when the cap is reviewed again). So, travel for EU nationals seems to be OK but expensive. I've had no real hassle getting into the Netherlands, I only use the ferry and the queues at Europort were a bit longer while Hull is just like it's always been, in fact, it's quicker now they've withdrawn the Hull/Zeebrugge ferry service, that was last summer though and I also had a dog with me, which meant I got priority dis/embarkation at both ends; perhaps that's the answer.
-@Cynic

It's not known if those with RPs (Residence Permits) under the WA will need ETIAS authorisations. Doesn't make sense if they do but who knows about that now. No-one knows as the EU haven't said how it applies.

I know HU allows dual citizenship. My kids are dual nationals HU and UK with both passports.

Your Mrs won't have any problems as she's a Dutch national.  It's British nationals who have to queue up in the non-EU queues, get hassled and quizzed while EU nationals sail through without so much of a look. EU nationals can use the e-gates at LHR and no-one asks them any questions. We cannot use the e-gates in Hungary or anywhere else (maybe Portugal).

As for me being a HU national, I cannot pass the language test.  I'm exempt from the exam on constitutional studies (as I'm over 60).  I never really learnt Hungarian. Mrs F had to learn English to a high standard as we went from HU to NL, then to Africa for a bit and couple of other places. It was essential to speak English for her, not so important for me to speak Hungarian. It was never a question I would have needed HU nationality what with the UK being in the EU way back then. Never thought people were dumb enough to vote leave or even for a vote to take place.  It might happen here though so there's a sense of deja-vu. Already the rot has been going on a while here, running down the EU etc.

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT


But in any case, this whole thing is crap. I asked a Hungarian in the UK if things had changed for them since Brexit and they said, nope, it was just the same as before. In fact, that person said, it's going to get easier as they can just apply to be British citizens. Then they can enjoy both worlds.

-@fluffy2560

That only applies to some, not every country allows dual citizenship.
-@SimCityAT

EU dual nationality is allowed. It used to be that you couldn't be German and something else but that was found wanting in the EU courts. So the rules are now you can be EU something and EU something else anywhere in the EU.

For some reason, UAE now allows dual nationality. Usually Arab countries are against that kind of thing.
-@fluffy2560

Austria doesn't allow dual, only in rare cases.

Brexit: thousands of Britons expelled from EU since end of transition period
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/06/brexit-thousands-britons-expelled-eu
-@SimCityAT


But in any case, this whole thing is crap. I asked a Hungarian in the UK if things had changed for them since Brexit and they said, nope, it was just the same as before. In fact, that person said, it's going to get easier as they can just apply to be British citizens. Then they can enjoy both worlds.

-@fluffy2560

That only applies to some, not every country allows dual citizenship.
-@SimCityAT

EU dual nationality is allowed. It used to be that you couldn't be German and something else but that was found wanting in the EU courts. So the rules are now you can be EU something and EU something else anywhere in the EU.

For some reason, UAE now allows dual nationality. Usually Arab countries are against that kind of thing.
-@fluffy2560

Austria doesn't allow dual, only in rare cases.
-@SimCityAT

Another citizenship by birth or by territory is not lost (I wouldn't call that a rare case, probably a pretty common one, especially with freedom of movement):

Equally, persons applying for Austrian citizenship need to give up their previous citizenship insofar as this is possible and reasonable for them. The assessment whether giving up the previous citizenship is possible or reasonable falls within the exclusive responsibility of the competent provincial government.

An important exception to this principle is the acquisition of citizenship by descent:

If in addition to Austrian citizenship, another citizenship is acquired at the time of birth - for example by descent from the other parent ("ius sanguinis") or by the country-of-birth principle ("ius soli") - Austrian citizenship is not lost.

According to Austrian law, these dual citizens never have to decide in favour of their Austrian citizenship - not even when they reach the age of majority.   

I've got a shedload of relatives with complex nationalities - one of them is married to a German woman and their kid is certainly German and British (and possibly Australian and yet another nationality too).   

Germany for sure allows dual nationality if: German acquires the citizenship of another member state of the European Union, of Switzerland or of a state with which the Federal Republic of Germany has signed a treaty

"As for me being a HU national, I cannot pass the language test. I'm exempt from the exam on constitutional studies (as I'm over 60)."

While there is a language requirement for Simplified Naturalization, I always thought there was no explicit language requirement for naturalization after long-term residency. Instead, there's a de facto language requirement since you have to take the Constitutional Studies exam which is offered only in Hungarian. But over 60, there's no requirement to take the Constitutional Studies exam. Doesn't that mean there's no longer any requirement to know Hungarian?

Here is a nice link https://europestreet.news/sweden-tops-european-countries-for-expulsion-and-deportation-of-british-citizens

"As for me being a HU national, I cannot pass the language test. I'm exempt from the exam on constitutional studies (as I'm over 60)."
While there is a language requirement for Simplified Naturalization, I always thought there was no explicit language requirement for naturalization after long-term residency. Instead, there's a de facto language requirement since you have to take the Constitutional Studies exam which is offered only in Hungarian. But over 60, there's no requirement to take the Constitutional Studies exam. Doesn't that mean there's no longer any requirement to know Hungarian?
-@zif

No, you still need to know Hungarian to a conversational level - i.e. enough to live in Hungary day to day.  That means a subjective language assessment. And there's the oath which has to be done in Hungarian.

The Constitutional Studies exam is the only thing that drops. At least that's as far as I knew it when I looked before. I don't think anything changed.

One also doesn't have to take the exam if you are "mentally incapable". From what I recall, it doesn't define what that truly means - maybe they were thinking if you're a kid, disabled or otherwise. Being too lazy I don't think meets the criteria.

There's another way - someone nominates the applicant to the President's Office and the President issues a decision/decree if agreed.   No language requirement for that I believe.   What are the chances?  Pretty low I would think.

Oh, I'm pretty sure that approach would work for Tucker Carlson.

Oh, I'm pretty sure that approach would work for Tucker Carlson.
-@zif

Oh, did he get honorary citizenship?   What a waste of space.

I was once in a place where a "connected" person told me that I could become a citizen if it meant the work could continue in the way that person expected, i.e. I and the rest of us should do what he wanted in the way he wanted.   It wasn't a good or useful citizenship. In fact, it could have made things worse.  If things had gone wrong, my Embassy wouldn't make representations if I was a dual national of that particular nation.    Not that my Embassy is capable of doing anything useful anyway.  But I kept silent on the offer and left the country and while I've been back, the individual who offered citizenship was posted to an Ambassador level post in a well known country. 

Here is a nice link https://europestreet.news/sweden-tops-european-countries-for-expulsion-and-deportation-of-british-citizens
-@SimCityAT

I see a potential solution evolving over Northern Ireland. 

I could see something parallel coming out of that scenario - if there are trusted EU traders, there could be trusted EU/UK individuals as well. 

The US has that concept of trusted travellers although entry/eligibility to obtain that status looks like a waste of time.

If you had a positive ETIAS decision valid 3 years or an RP, there's surely no reason to manually check anyone's biometric passports on entry/exit and certainly no need to take anyone's fingerprints at a border.

Yes, they MAY give an exception to the language test if you are elderly, mentally handicapped or possibly physically disabled.

2 outta 3 for me, not saying which ones apply!! Ha, ha.

My husband would say it was a home run, 3 for 3 in my case!!

Just messing around...

It does pay to know people who can push your papers through.

Not naming names but I know a person who was the partner of a HU working in the parliment who is from a 3rd country.

This man had his BF get him perm residency, working papers they whole 9 yards. Set for life here if he choses to stay. They broke up but the papers are still valid.

This man did learn allot of Hungarian to his credit.

Back in 1975 my HU husband was just a green card holder in the US.

He wanted to travel to SA.

His boss knew someone in immigration who invited us into his private office and right then and there got my husband a US re entery permit to travel.

He asked if he could help more with his immigration status but my silly husband was thinking short term and wanted to move to SA and didn't take advantage of having a fot in the door already to the US.

He later just waited out the7 years in the US and did it the way just about everyne does, waited his turn and swore the oath.

He probably knows more about the US congress and the functions of each branch then most US born citizens do.