In retrospect, would you move again to Hungary?

fluffy2560 wrote:

USA ...  are pretty bad at small high performance diesels.

Given the VW emissions scandal, it appears so are the Germans. 

In other words, it is not that the USA is "bad" at these types of engines, but rather these types of engines usually can not pass the more strict EPA emission requirements (without additives) -- no matter who makes them. So American engine manufacturers simply do not bother spending R&Đ money trying to be top in this market.

klsallee wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

USA ...  are pretty bad at small high performance diesels.

Given the VW emissions scandal, it appears so are the Germans. 

In other words, it is not that the USA is "bad" at these types of engines, but rather these types of engines usually can not pass the more strict EPA emission requirements (without additives) -- no matter who makes them. So American engine manufacturers simply do not bother spending R&Đ money trying to be top in this market.

Haha, touché. 

Glossing over that small anomaly in Germany engineering.....let's move on....

Actually there ARE plenty of diesels around in the USA, they are just great lumps in trucks and industrial equipment.  None of them have the finesse (to use the phrase from other posters) that the smaller diesels in Europe have.  And emissions can be controlled these days - Euro standards have particulate filters.   I've had plenty of diesel cars (including one right now) and I've also got a US car with a big petrol lump in it with California emissions package in it.  Which one is better up the autopalya?  The diesel of course - it's small engine capacity, faster, quieter, more fuel efficient, better handling and has considerably better performance - higher torque etc.  Doesn't handle like an armchair on the end of a spring.

As for NFL, pffff....surely this has to be a joke. I don't know anyone here playing USA "football" let alone watching it.  Everyone is playing real football (erroneously termed "soccer").  NFL is just not anyone's radar .....surely?

fluffy2560 wrote:

diesels around in the USA .....
As for NFL, pffff....surely this has to be a joke.

Annnnnnd ..... going over the off topic cliff. So moved reply to:

https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.p … 14#3611820

Tomi HU wrote:

If you are living here maybe study hungarian. We will not accomodat to foreigners, foreigners should accomodate to us.

That's a bit black and white.

Hungary (and many other places) has been invaded by many groups over the years and as is  always the case in these matters, the  invaders and the invaded inevitably  have a cultural exchange, modifying both groups.  And the same occurs for people visiting.

Why not embrace the good parts?

FeliciaOni wrote:

.... IF Huns really dislike expats then vote in different people that will make it illegal for expats to live here!
....

Hit the nail on the head there Felicia. 

But why not expand that out to any and all foreigners, refugees and asylum seekers or in fact anyone and then apply de-humanisation manipulation techniques to ensure political gain and create a wave of nationalism.  Sound familiar? 1930s Germany?  2017 USA?

I'd say the TomiHU (the OP) has been reading too many HU newspapers and reading too many street posters.

LiveinBuda wrote:

"If you are living here maybe study hungarian. We will not accomodat to foreigners, foreigners should accomodate to us."



Studying Hungarian (which we are) is part of that process but fortunately it is recognised by most Hungarians as being difficult. Living in the city many Hungarians do speak English & when they can they frequently insist on doing so, often so that they can practice a language that will take them anywhere in the world or at the very least help them in their careers. ........obviously English!

Does it actually help  that they recognise their language is difficult? One of the biggest problems I found when I was trying to learn Hungarian was that people seemed unable or unwilling to try and make sense of my imperfect pronunciation. In some cases the sound I was making seemed to me identical to how I had heard a word pronounced by Hungarians but they still did not understand me. My experience with people who do know a bit of English has generally been quite different to yours. Far from being eager to practice their English they usually try to hide their understanding of the language but will change to speaking English if they think they will get some personal gain, such as a sales commission. I realise Budapest is quite different to other parts of Hungary so it is to be expected that our experiences will differ. I don't think British people look much different to Hungarians so I'm not sure how they are identified before they speak!

LiveinBuda wrote:

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We must also remember that the original comment mirrors much of the brexit sentiment commonly expressed in the UK - so we should not be surprised when, just occasionally, it comes back the other way!

Having said all that I have to emphasise that our experience with Hungarians has been completely delightful, in every circumstance.

Really?   Not everyone voted for Brexit on the basis of being anti-foreigner if that's what you meant.  That's certainly not the case at all.  A large significant portion voted for other reasons. UK has always had a long history of immigration and has been diverse forever - even the Vikings settled down there.

I wasn't allowed to vote myself - been away too long - but if I had voted, I probably would have voted for Brexit simply on the grounds of not liking the way the EU operates.

In my line of work, I meet with some of these people regularly and without over generalising, they are not the sharpest knives in the drawers. As for policy...pfff...what policy?  For some of them, it's just a massive gravy train.

And they do some really stupid stuff.  Look at the Schengen passport check nonsense going on now! Queues of 4+ hours.

Not all the HU people are delightful (e.g. Mrs Fluffy and the Fluffyettes) but most of them are perfectly ok and normal (exception: politicians).  But the key is language knowledge.  If you can communicate, then it works fine but that's the same anywhere in the world.

Tomi HU wrote:

I'm sorry, but this is my country, my culture. You are a guest. If I visit the USA, I speak English when in Germany, then in German, if in Russia, then in Russian. Americans think that they should be as foreign as they are in the USA. Most of the Hungarians are against the American lifestyle. Hungary is not an African colony. We do not live here to serve the expats. If you live here, feel good, become a useful member of the Hungarian society.

Actually it's not your "culture", There is no specific base HU culture.  Like everywhere else, it's just a bunch of other cultures which have been absorbed over the centuries to form what you see now.  I say, embrace the change and enjoy it.

LiveinBuda wrote:

I didn't say everyone voted for brexit due to an anti foreigner sentiment. I have also worked with EU people (that's how I first came to Hungary) & found them highly progressive, effective & hard working, putting much of the British contingent to shame.

No, I know you didn't say that.  I also came to Hungary through another organisation similar to the EU.  I am thankful I didn't come with the EU - all too small scale and small minded.  I prefer them to stick to something useful than try and muddle through on underfunded and underscoped projects.

As for the British, if you look at other international organisations and elsewhere, the British are everywhere.  We've always exported our expertise overseas. Not all countries have those work practices.

Tomi HU wrote:

Most of the Hungarians are against the American lifestyle. Hungary is not an African colony. We do not live here to serve the expats. If you live here, feel good, become a useful member of the Hungarian society.

Many? Some? Most? expats are not interested in personally adopting a Hungarian lifestyle. This web site is not a political site. We expats are not at this web site to serve non-expats. If you comment here, feel welcome, and try to become a useful member of the expat community.

Just showing how anything can go both ways, and that anger and commanding people to conform unilaterally under your terms is not really useful, helpful or sociable. There are better ways to, let me say, *nudge* some expats toward seeing things more internationally.

After all, being a good host also helps make for better guests. 

FeliciaOni wrote:

But anyone living here is doing whatever things that are required to legally live in Hungary so it is wrong for Huns to expect an expat to beg or bow to them.

"Huns" is, I will say with a kindly nudge, not the politest of terms to use for Hungarians.

So while I agree with the content because you are legally correct, I can not agree with its context, because the delivery does not exactly help Expat-Hungarian relations at this forum or elsewhere.