I'm asylum seekers here in Germany. Can I am marry here in Germany

19POSTS

6 years ago

I'm asylum seekers here in Germany and I'm from Nigeria living in Germany too..My girlfriend is from Czech republic and living in Czech too..we are planning to marry it is possible for us to marry here without involvement of any problems from the government

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beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

6 years ago

As far as I know (but please consult your nearest Standesamt on this!), you are allowed to marry without any more problems than an international marriage anyway poses in Germany - there are likely to be many papers to be gotten (and officially translated) from your home country and the preparations will take many months!
But please note that being married will probably not give you the right to remain in Germany (unless your asylum application is successful). You should enquire with the Czech authorities whether it gives you any advantages for getting a visa in the Czech Republic!

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

6 years ago

Thanks very much to reply me...........
My asylum systems is very unsuccessful right now...but if we get marry my wife will live with me here in Germany...me and my wife can provide all the documents they want....I want to know be sure if I give them my passport...if they will not use it against me

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

6 years ago

Even if you manage to marry her (a non-EU friend of ours needed six months and about €1000 to prepare all the required documents before marriage - and her husband-to-be was German, so with a Czech it will be more difficult!), getting the family reunion visa to join her in Germany requires her to have sufficient financial means (minimum around €9000/year per person) and living space (minimum about 45sqm) for both of you - as you will NOT be entitled to government support (HartzIV or similar) any more!
Altogether, it is naive to think that marrying a (non-German) EU citizen gives you any rights in Germany. I recommend you get a proper visa based on other reasons - for example a work visa, as the jobs market is as good as never before now.

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

6 years ago

Thanks very much...
I will start working by December... I think that will help both of us a lot.... I'm very happy that I marry here in Germany

TominStuttgart Germany Expert

2802POSTS

6 years ago

Not to sound too critical but Germany is dealing with over a million real refugees. People coming for economic reasons from countries not in a war or a catastrophe situation have very very little chance to get refugees status. Almost no Nigerians are granted asylum. I am posting a link about this subject below. For most it is basically a misuse of the system to even try.

I can't be the one to judge one's personal situation because there can be extenuating circumstances but such things sound a bit strange. How does one applying for asylum have a serious relationship with someone in the Czech Republic? One should know that the authorities will not necessarily stop one from marrying but they will scrutinize the situation and can assume it is a marriage of convenience, and if so, it will not help one to get residency; more likely to get deported for attempted fraud. Again, I can't be the one to judge but am giving information that the officials know all of the tricks. If one is legitimately marrying then be prepared for a lot of questions rather than assuming this will be a magical easy solution.

And even it it works, without a residency established in Germany you cannot sponsor her although she could maybe sponsor you in her country. She would have to have a job lined up and enough income and a big enough place for both of you and then to get you a family reunion visa. As an EU citizen she is allowed to come to Germany to work but not to immediately go on any public assistance. Does she speak German? Does she has sought after skills, education and exprience that make it likely for her to get a job? Without a job and enough moeny then she can't stay and certainly not sponsor you.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/51 … in-germany

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

6 years ago

Tom: The asylum system was originally thought not for refugees from war, but politically persecuted or otherwise discriminated people (and thus is a major moral obligation of free and democratic countries, or so I think).
Since the OP is from an undemocratic and prejudiced society, where the opposition is suppressed, racial tensions exist and minorities like the gay are treated as criminals, I assumed in his favour that he might have a legitimate reason for seeking asylum.
Of course, since Nigeria is also poor, he might be here for economic reasons (in which case it would be a misuse of the asylum system), but that is for the authorities to decide, who certainly know more about him than we do.
But marrying the Czech girlfriend will not give him the right to remain in Germany, unless she has the means to support both of them without needing public financial assistance. This, in my opinion, is a very reasonable rule to prevent abuse.

TominStuttgart Germany Expert

2802POSTS

6 years ago

beppi wrote:
Tom: The asylum system was originally thought not for refugees from war, but politically persecuted or otherwise discriminated people (and thus is a major moral obligation of free and democratic countries, or so I think).
Since the OP is from an undemocratic and prejudiced society, where the opposition is suppressed, racial tensions exist and minorities like the gay are treated as criminals, I assumed in his favour that he might have a legitimate reason for seeking asylum.
Of course, since Nigeria is also poor, he might be here for economic reasons (in which case it would be a misuse of the asylum system), but that is for the authorities to decide, who certainly know more about him than we do.
But marrying the Czech girlfriend will not give him the right to remain in Germany, unless she has the means to support both of them without needing public financial assistance. This, in my opinion, is a very reasonable rule to prevent abuse.

I know the situation in Nigeria. I said I cannot make a personal judgement but as the link I posted shows, virtually nobody from Nigeria gets refugees status; the general political and social situation is not seen so critical there - except in very local places. I just wanted to pont out the context from which one is likely to be judged. And since the poster says he is planning to marry a woman, he cannot be asking on the grounds of being gay.

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

Please can someone give good details about what to do
My girlfriend is pregnant, she's from czech republic
I am doing Ausbildung (Ausbildungsduldung)
I have already rented an apartment
It is possible for me to give resident( Anmeldung) and how possible is it for her to have the baby here in Germany
Plz need help with good information

Theo123456 Member

12POSTS

5 years ago

#10

It depends on your status, if you are a recognised asylum seeker then yes you are allowed to marry. However most asylum seekers come to Germany claiming that they can't get in touch with their embassies because of political differences so it could be interesting how you will get some of the needed information coz they will need: An authentified birth certificate from your home, a non marriage certificate both these would need to be authentified by your ministry of foreign affairs and Germany Embassy at your country of birth.

Emmytender77 Active member

47POSTS

5 years ago

#11

Beppi on point..!

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#12

Bright_love: If your girlfriend is a Czech (and therefore EU-) citizen, she can freely move to Germany at any time, without needing a residence permit. She can also give birth here. (If she gets a German health insurance, the medical costs will be covered.)
The baby, however, will not be German citizen. I assume it will be Czech, so can stay here as EU citizen, too.
Since a year after your original post you are still not married, did your plans about that change?
If you are the biological father, you can also become the legal one by signing a declaration. I don't know what that implies for the citizenship of the baby (Ask the Czech and Nigerian authorities!), but for its residence title in Germany this has no implications.

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

#13

Marriage is already in process
I want to know if I can give my girlfriend a residence here... I just rented an apartment and she is pregnant
How possible is it

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#14

You can't "give" her a residence title, but as EU citizen she does not need that.
If by "residence" you mean apartment: She is free to move anywhere and can of course share a place with you.

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

#15

My problem now.
Can she have the baby here in Germany when she is into the system

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#16

That also I answered above. Please read my reply!

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

#17

Thanks very much for your help
Plz how can she get the health insurance

TominStuttgart Germany Expert

2802POSTS

5 years ago

#18

Bright_love wrote:
My problem now.
Can she have the baby here in Germany when she is into the system

She is a EU citizen according to your post; so she can do what she wants. She can live or work or have a baby in Germany. Strange that she as a EU citizen doesn't already know this.

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#19

After registering her address here, contact a health insurer of her choice (within three months). Private insurers can exclude existing conditions (also pregnancies), so the public scheme is probably a better choice for her. After marriage, she (and the baby) can be covered free of charge in your insurance (if you are in the public scheme).

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

#20

Thank you guys for all your support and thanks again

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

#21

Wow
My new year started with our new born baby
Please family here
I want to know how will I go about it
I mean if it possible for me to have Germany permit of stay with the baby
And what to do and where to go

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#22

Congratulations for your child's birth!
We wrote several times above that she, as an EU citizen, does not need a residence permit.
Also the steps of what she needs to do to register and stay here are mentioned. (She has to do that herself - you as non-EU-citizen cannot help much.)
Did you read and follow them? If yes, what is your question now?

TominStuttgart Germany Expert

2802POSTS

5 years ago

#23

A foreigner who fathers a German child often is given permission to stay in Germany to provide and support the child. I doubt this would necessary extend to sporting a child of a Czech person. Maybe in the Czech Republic.

According to your previous posts you are doing an Ausbildung (training) and getting married to your Czech friend. Thus you should already be in the system. If it were true that you doing a training program and are now married to a EU citizen then there should not be a problem. Just ask at the office for foreign residents.

They might not be open due to Covid but maybe they can be reached by phone. And it is not for me to question what you say, you get the benefit of the doubt. But things are starting to sound contradictory and it is impossible to give people reliable advice if one doesn't know the real details.

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

#24

I try to marry
But it didn't work
Now we have baby together

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#25

You can get a German residency permit as guardian of the baby if
- you are legally the father (you need to get papers showing this, as you are not married to the mother!)
- AND the baby is German citizen (is it?)
If one or both of them are untrue, there is no help whatsoever for you, I am afraid.

TominStuttgart Germany Expert

2802POSTS

5 years ago

#26

beppi wrote:
You can get a German residency permit as guardian of the baby if
- you are legally the father (you need to get papers showing this, as you are not married to the mother!)
- AND the baby is German citizen (is it?)
If one or both of them are untrue, there is no help whatsoever for you, I am afraid.

According to the poster he is not German and his girlfriend is from the Czech Republic. One should also point out that the child does NOT get German citizenship by having been born in Germany but will have rather the citizenship of one or both of the parents. And the information that he claimed to have tried to marry "but it didn't work" sets off red flags.

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

#27

I'm a Nigerian
But the mother is from czech republic and officially living with me

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#28

Why did marrying "not work"?
I don't think the authorities could or would tell you that you are not allowed to marry.

And what does "officially living with me" mean? Did you form a civil union (something similar to a marriage), or is she just registered your apartment as her address? The first case could help you in getting the required papers for legal fatherhood of the child, but the second means nothing and does not help at all.

Every one of your posts so far opens more questions than it answers. If you want us to help you, you should clearly explain what the situation is. Incomplete information or just wishful thinking does not help and you should better keep it to yourself to avoid confusion!

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

#29

What I mean by official living together
Is that she is living with me and she just registered my apartment as her address? ( in the Rathaus)

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#30

So you just have the same address and no other legal connection? As I wrote, that does not help at all - from the authorities' viewpoint it could be a WG (shared flat) or separate apartments in the same house.
Are you also not the legal father of the child?

TominStuttgart Germany Expert

2802POSTS

5 years ago

#31

To clarify, sometimes a non-EU foreigner will be given permission to stay in Germany if they as the parent of a German child is living together and financially supporting the child and spouse. This is a case of conditionally tolerating someone, not that they have a given right to residency. If they are not living together and helping to support the child then there is no reason for such an exception. I don’t know if such a possibility exists in the Czech Republic but if so then maybe you would have a chance of getting to stay there.

In this case the mother is Czech and not German, nor is her child. She has the right to live and work in Germany. And of course she is allowed to have a baby. But her rights as a citizen of another EU country in Germany are NOT the same as for a German. For example, an EU foreigner comes to Germany; they can live and work here but not just show up and start living from social assistance. They usually need to have worked and paid their own way for 2 years before being eligible for unemployment or welfare.

But one wonders about the claim of not being able to marry. Officials are not out to block people from marrying, just to control that it is legitimate and make sure that they are not already married and being fraudulent. There is bureaucracy in Germany, so I can imagine one applying for asylum night have to go through a long process to get such a thing done. But if they are unmarried and over 18 then it should just be a matter of time and not if they can marry.

The bottom line though is that lots of people want to immigrate to Europe and if they don’t have the qualifications to get certified as a legitimate refugee then most of the tricks they try to get around the system don’t work. Faking a marriage or say just getting someone pregnant for this purpose should not be rewarded with residency. I’m not making an accusation of your intent but one needs to know how such things are looked at and why they are scrutinized. And while there are areas of serious civil unrest in Nigeria, it is not at war like in Yemen or Syria. I think the success rate of Nigerians getting asylum is not more than 5%. Most are deemed economic refugees rather than legitimate ones. As a Nigerian one has little hope unless they are from the specific areas of conflict.

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#32

Tom: As far as I know, the (foreign) parent of a German child has the right to stay with the child in Germany - it is not a case of tolerance or goodwill, but a right.
Of course the same is not necessarily true for a foreign child in Germany (even if EU citizen). And the parent must be legal parent, not just biological.

Bright_love Member

19POSTS

5 years ago

#33

I am the real father of my daughter
Three of all us are living together in one apartment and she has ameldung with me in the apartment
The main reason why we aren't married yet is because of the money they ask to pay
To verify if I'm married before in Nigeria

beppi Germany/Singapore Expert

15633POSTS

5 years ago

#34

I assume with "real father" you mean biological father.
Unfortunately that does not mean you have the legal rights of being the father. For that you must be the legal father and that must be shown in the paperwork.
For example, for kids born to married parents, the husband is automatically entered into the baby's birth certificate and is thus the legal father (regardless of whether he is the biological or "real" father or not). In case of unmarried parents, you need to get your name into the paperwork, otherwise you are not legally the father!
So are you the legal father, or not? (What does the baby's birth certificate say?)
If not, you shold contact the family registry ("Standesamt") to find out how to become legal father.
You might want to engage a lawyer for this, as family registries are among the most difficult to deal with buerocrats in Germany and are very inflexible, especially when it comes to foreign matters.
And again: Living together does not give ANY advantage in this respect.

SimCityAT Expert

13659POSTS

5 years ago

#35

@Bright_love

Just word of advice, it's always best to give the whole story/situation instead of just one sentences. It saves you and other time in helping you.