Puerto Rican Citizenship?

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9 years ago

Rey,
You need to visit the Centro Indígena Caguana in Utuado and the one in Ponce. Both have plenty of Taíno historical information and are a most to visit.

Mrkpytn Serial expat

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9 years ago

#42

There is a very good book on Tainos called, "Tibes". Another book is, The Myth of Indigenous Caribbean Extinction. The continuity and reclamation in Boriquen". It took me a little time to see under the veneer of Americanization in Puerto Rico but I sort of know what to look for as I lived a couple of years in a once isolated village in high Peru." I am looking forward to exploring more and living in Puerto Rico fulltime..

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9 years ago

#43

adlin20 wrote:
Rey,
You need to visit the Centro Indígena Caguana in Utuado and the one in Ponce. Both have plenty of Taíno historical information and are a most to visit.

Most definitely, I want to get in touch with that side of me.

ReyP ViP

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9 years ago

#44

Mrkpytn wrote:
There is a very good book on Tainos called, "Tibes". Another book is, The Myth of Indigenous Caribbean Extinction. The continuity and reclamation in Boriquen". It took me a little time to see under the veneer of Americanization in Puerto Rico but I sort of know what to look for as I lived a couple of years in a once isolated village in high Peru." I am looking forward to exploring more and living in Puerto Rico fulltime..

Ill see if I can get copies of both, thanks.

NomadLawyer Serial expat

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9 years ago

#45

Hi, ReyP.

I respectfully disagree on your point about PR citizenship. It seems that the concept of local rule is being conflated with an actual PR citizenship, which has never existed.

Regarding the history with the US, it seems Puerto Rican's themselves are conflicted on this. Most welcome the relationship. Since 1946, or at least since the end of the Cold War depending on how you view it, it has been in the US's interests to cut PR loose. But the US can't do that with a clear conscience so long as the vast majority of Puerto Ricans want to either maintain the current relationship or become the 51st state.

Concerning the Taínos, who I wish we could know more about, there isn't enough substance to serve as building blocks to revive Taino culture. I've witnessed so-called Taino ceremonies being performed in Utuado but they smack of playing dress-up.

In my opinion, modern Puerto Rican's are much, much more Spanish (first and foremost), North American (second), and African (third) than Taino.

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mac00677 Serial expat

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9 years ago

#46

http://www.taino-tribe.org/tribal-culture.html http://www.academia.edu/11598013/THE_IN … CHOLARSHIP

ReyP ViP

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9 years ago

#47

June 11 vote will tell us how people feel about the relationship, but not necessarily the reason behind why they voted in a particular way.

We shall see the will of the people.

mac00677 Serial expat

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9 years ago

#48

Mr K; I'd love to see your operation, and ruins some day.

Mrkpytn Serial expat

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9 years ago

#49

mac00677 wrote:
Mr K; I'd love to see your operation, and ruins some day.

Hi Mac00677, If you are referring to my operation I would be more than happy to show and share it. Presently I have been held hostage in North Carolina due to glitches in an easement issue and the selling of my building. This has been resolved and a new wave of potential buyers are lining up. Once I get through this I will be in Puerto Rico full time and full speed ahead. I have been doing all this stuff pat time for the last 16 years. I have friends who help me out with the airbnb and and other volunteers who help with the farm, etc. Everything is posed for the next phase of the ecotourism project. The sale of this building will finance this next phase of the operation. I will keep the expat community posted.

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westernprguy Active member

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9 years ago

#50

"Tibes"? I can't find that on Amazon. Author?

mac00677 Serial expat

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9 years ago

#51

How do I get a Vermont citizenship?

ReyP ViP

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9 years ago

#52

mac00677 wrote:
How do I get a Vermont citizenship?

May have to wait for a civil war Mac.

WarnerW Serial expat

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9 years ago

#53

mac00677 wrote:
How do I get a Vermont citizenship?

Live there. The 14th Amendment confers a sort of dual citizenship -- you are a citizen of the state in which you reside and a citizen of the United States.

frogrock Serial expat

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9 years ago

#54

To get a Vermont citizenship you have to 1) taste maple syrup straight from the tree 2) know how to ski or snowboard 3) learn how to drive on dirt roads during mud season 4) have a favorite flannel shirt.
Love that state!

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mac00677 Serial expat

380POSTS

9 years ago

#55

I guess you are not familiar with sarcasm.

mac00677 Serial expat

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9 years ago

#56

I was born & raised in NH, so I am well versed, and prefer it to the liberal state of VT... but they do have a pretty good coat factory!

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tvcampo Member

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8 years ago

#57

Found it!! Tell me how to get EU Citizenship from Puerto Rico. Thank, Teresa

ReyP ViP

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8 years ago

#58

If you are US citizens you need to apply in a one european country for citizenship but it is not easy.

If Puerto Rican born, you can apply in Spain which is a lot easier.

There are programs that let you get recidencies and even citizenship if you pay a ceirtain amout, but you need to be loaded, LOL.

Gary ViP

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8 years ago

#59

The easiest way to get citizenship of another country would be to marry a citizen of that country.

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Spencerazac Contributor

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8 years ago

#60

https://townhall.com/columnists/davidwi … e-n2445953

ReyP ViP

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8 years ago

#61

Spencerazac wrote:
https://townhall.com/columnists/davidwilliams/2018/02/08/puerto-rico-plays-a-dangerous-game-of-cat-and-mouse-n2445953

That is a political opinion piece, I am not the governor friend, but when people start making statements as to why somebody is doing something based on their opinion I call it BULL.

Spencerazac Contributor

157POSTS

8 years ago

#62

Just looking for opinions, A friend sent that to me, just wondering what other people think.

ReyP ViP

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8 years ago

#63

I think the individual puts out a lot of facts, then twist them to fit his line of thinking. His opinion of the motivation / reason why something is happening is stated as another fact, so it is a direct accusation of a political person.

In reality neither we nor the writer know what the governor is thinking when he takes or fails to take a particular road, all we can do is assume his reasoning. Maybe introduction of a humble "I think the governor wants ......" would help it instead of "The governor is doing it because he wants .....".

What bothers me is that the writer sets as fact his opinion with zero proof and without a statement of the politician stating that that is his view.

Would be better served if the writer would put out all possible scenarios and ask the reader to draw it's own conclusion.

Would you like people telling others what you think and your motivation without asking you about it?
Rey

Spencerazac Contributor

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8 years ago

#64

True, i’ve heard terrible stories, of corruption after Maria, governors of towns holding and hoarding water and supplies, The people of the island are suffering, we finally got electricity to my home last weekend, and I’m sure others are still left without it, I just feel that in a time of need after this crisis there should be no kind of corruption with federal funds or donations of any kind the focus should be on the people, and the restoration of the island, ALL Politics and greed put aside.

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8 years ago

#65

Spencerazac wrote:
True, i’ve heard terrible stories, of corruption after Maria, governors of towns holding and hoarding water and supplies, The people of the island are suffering, we finally got electricity to my home last weekend, and I’m sure others are still left without it, I just feel that in a time of need after this crisis there should be no kind of corruption with federal funds or donations of any kind the focus should be on the people, and the restoration of the island, ALL Politics and greed put aside.

Agreed 100%, but politics and corruption go hand in hand in PR since most of the time they can get away with it unfortunately.

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johnbmaryk New member

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8 years ago

#66

Rey stated earlier that if you are born in Puerto Rico, you are Puerto Rican. Does this mean that my son, who was born in Puerto Rico, can claim he is Puerto Rican on his college applications?

ReyP ViP

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8 years ago

#67

johnbmaryk wrote:
Rey stated earlier that if you are born in Puerto Rico, you are Puerto Rican. Does this mean that my son, who was born in Puerto Rico, can claim he is Puerto Rican on his college applications?

Yes, birthright, I imagine your kid has a PR birth certificate.

We're moving WHERE? Serial expat

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8 years ago

#68

Actually, yes, he can however he is NOT latino or hispanic... it's that slippery slope... he will be eligible for certain scholarships and other benefits.

mac00677 Serial expat

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8 years ago

#69

Last time I checked, those are not races, so I always wondered why they had them on those "official" forms. I always liked to check "other".

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ReyP ViP

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8 years ago

#70

There is no longer a Puertorrican race, the original was Taino, African an Spaniard. We are so mixed with people from all parts of the world now that our current race is “Sato”.

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Sitka Serial expat

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8 years ago

#71

The locals here refer to themselves as “Mixo”.

bfuentes Member

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8 years ago

#72

Your opinion could be wrong. I have had my DNA analyzed and my native american heritage is higher than my african. I am only 1/2 Puerto Rican . My %'s based on ancestry.com are 9% native and 6% African. My Puerto Rican relatives have been showing up to 23% native american and 15% african. At least in the NW corner of Puerto Rico there seems to be higher % of native than african heritage.

ReyP ViP

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8 years ago

#73

bfuentes wrote:
Your opinion could be wrong. I have had my DNA analyzed and my native american heritage is higher than my african. I am only 1/2 Puerto Rican . My %'s based on ancestry.com are 9% native and 6% African. My Puerto Rican relatives have been showing up to 23% native american and 15% african. At least in the NW corner of Puerto Rico there seems to be higher % of native than african heritage.

Those numbers don't hit 100%, what is the rest?
To this date, we have Chinese, Italian, German, jewish, and many other European blood lines intermixed, I am sure some are still pure, but the original race is being diluted over time. Lets check back in 500 years and see what Ancestry.com says.

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8 years ago

#74

Sorry, but there is not and never was Puerto Rican 'race' ... Please do some critical reading and look up the definition of "race."

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ReyP ViP

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8 years ago

#75

We're moving WHERE? wrote:
Sorry, but there is not and never was Puerto Rican 'race' ... Please do some critical reading and look up the definition of "race."

No surprise we always disagree.
I guess you are not Puerto Rican, we call it "La Raza".

bfuentes Member

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8 years ago

#76

I am very impressed with ancestry.com. They could tell my father's family comes from NW Puerto Rico; Utuado and Arecibo. Also they could tell my mother's family was in a wave from Scotland that immigrated to New England and Canadian Maritimes. Looking at the profile it looks like my parents had very little ethnic overlap
DNA Profile
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 24%
Europe South 23%
Scandinavia 13%
Europe West 11%
Iberian peninsula 10%
Native American 9%
Mali 6%
Great Britain 3%

bfuentes Member

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8 years ago

#77

You are equivocating. Please do some critical reading and look up the definition of "equivocation."
You need to realize that words do not have the same meanings across languages and culture. Tell you what I will do your homework for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza

ReyP ViP

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8 years ago

#78

bfuentes wrote:
I am very impressed with ancestry.com. They could tell my father's family comes from NW Puerto Rico; Utuado and Arecibo. Also they could tell my mother's family was in a wave from Scotland that immigrated to New England and Canadian Maritimes. Looking at the profile it looks like my parents had very little ethnic overlap
DNA Profile
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 24%
Europe South 23%
Scandinavia 13%
Europe West 11%
Iberian peninsula 10%
Native American 9%
Mali 6%
Great Britain 3%

Looks good

mac00677 Serial expat

380POSTS

8 years ago

#79

I'd say NOBODY, on island is 100% anything.

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8 years ago

#80

Ancestry and all heritage and DNA evaluation services/shops could tell any of us any thing they like and who would be there to argue and say they are wrong. A friend had their dog checked 2 times by 2 different Animal "DNA LABS". I told them that they were wasting their money. The dog was large Bull Dog and something else. With his face (Bull Dog Face) it was undeniable. one DNA Shop came back and said that he was XX% Chihuahua and XX% Rat Terrier. LOL!!!! The other one came back with a result completely different, but just as stupid!! LOL!!!! Needless to say, he HAD to agree that he wasted his money.