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Safety from Scopolomine - bank accounts - phone apps - passwords

stealtannest3t

I don't frequent bars or use dating apps but there is still a small risk of being 'scoped' while living in Colombia.  So for the group what precautions have you implemented to reduce the losses if you have the misfortune of being 'scoped'? 


For me I carry a cheap burner phone with no payment apps.   None of my bank or investment information or links are on the phone.  This phone can only get two-factor authentication through e-mail.  Don't have a Colombian bank account so no Nequi etc...  Occasionally carry an ATM card so I assume the loss there would be limited to the $2 million peso daily max? 


Thoughts? 

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OsageArcher

Your strategies seem to be good ones.  But the risk is still pretty small overall.  Something like a secuestro exprés is still possible where you are forced to accompany the thieves as they empty your accounts from ATMs.


Always staying alert, don't engage with strangers, situational awareness, no dar papaya, going out in groups with the family/friends,  all can help reduce risk but not eliminate it.

ChineduOpara

@stealtannest3t

Like @OsageArcher said, it sounds like you're basically prepared. If you wanted to reduce your risk even further, I'd HIGHLY recommend:

  1. Avoid the street girls entirely
  2. If you meet any woman from Tinder or other dating apps, vet them as best as you can before hooking up.
  3. If, after meeting them at a cafe, vetting them, etc. and you DO bring her to your crib... bring ONLY her (no friends), and make sure the portero is aware (make her show ID, etc) and make sure she isn't allowed to leave without being accompanied by you.
  4. Before you bring anyone over, secure your valuables. No laptop, gadgets, loose cash, etc. lying around.
  5. If possible, she should come without her purse. But if she DOES bring her purse, make her leave it somewhere she cannot easily reach, like, at the door or something.
  6. This goes without saying but... always use protection (condoms).


Maybe this sounds like a lot, but once you get the hang of it, setting your boundaries early will help you avoid the hardcore "opportunistic" criminals who are really just looking for an easy target (once they see you have your sh!t on lock and you're not one of those Dumb Medellin Crypto-Passport-Bros who're just BEGGING to be scoped & robbed, they'll lose interest, AKA "weed themselves out"). So, don't make it easy for them.


By the way, if you just want sex (as the Basic Human Need that it is) without having to think about all this stuff, and you don't care if the experience is "warm lover" or "cold fish", then it's better to just go to a brothel. Sure, there'll be no illusion of actual attraction or passion, no passionate mouth-kissing, and some workers are "cold" (or just tired)... but at least you won't have to worry about safety and theft. And if you're nice and charming enough, and you happen to pick a sweet, not-yet-jaded worker who genuinely enjoys sex (or is good at acting), you might STILL get a "warm" experience. It's worth a shot.


In any case, be safe, and good luck!

South American Voyager

@ ChineduOpara - From your lips to God's ears! Spot on.


My very first visit and extended 4 month stay was to Bogota in November of 1990, those were different times for sure.


Fast forward 35 years and been living the past 10 YEARS right outside Medellin and over these past 35 years I too have been no saint but ALWAYS have kept the basics of "situational awareness" as you laid out as second nature, so far going good!


I could write a book about what I have personally experienced, what I have observed from others and the changes over the decades that now puts such a stain on what a decades ago would have been a much less effortless visit to Medellin than what it has evolved into.

ChineduOpara

[...]I could write a book about what I have personally experienced, what I have observed from others and the changes over the decades that now puts such a stain on what a decades ago would have been a much less effortless visit to Medellin than what it has evolved into. - @South American Voyager

Please write something, even if it's a blog post or Facebook post, so that I can read it and link to it from my own travel blog 😊 The info-sphere surrounding Colombia seems to be focused on mainly drug cartel history or activities, sex tourism, scoping/robbing, or mild/shallow/naive tourism. We need to add our "realistic, experienced, on-the-ground, day-to-day reality of Colombia" voices to the ether. The more voices, the better, IMHO...

nico peligro

@stealtannest3t

If you dont have street smarts you  are screwed


Just avoid Medelliin and Parts of Bogota and Cali and you.will.be  ok


Most of  these guys thst get scoped are real bobos, desperate guys looking to get laid, incels in their own country


Having 2 step verification  on your phone  and no local bank accounts doesnt do you much good if you are dead

TomasGerardoRomeo

There are guys who get scoped who have half their s*** together. You can hide your wallet and carry a burner phone, great, but that doesn't help much if the drug puts you in cardiac arrest. You can be drugged in a bar, through the air, before she gets you in the taxi. You all are taking a huge risk.