My Husband Converted through Muslim and Marry his girlfriend

9POSTS

11 years ago

Good Day,

I'm Joan Cerrado my husband works in Riyadh Saudi we married legally here in the Philippines But he converted to muslim and marry a domestic helper that i don't know. I've already filed a case against him here in the Philippines but sad to say he has to be here in the Philippines. Is there any possible way that he can go back here in the Philippines. Is there any law in Islam that I can sue him.
Thank you Hope you can help me

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reine05ce Active member

28POSTS

11 years ago

i think it would be better if you go to poea/owwa to assist you in this situation. they can issue subpeona for him because if I am not wrong, according to Philippine law regarding with ofw to dependents, they must continuously support the dependents through remittances and other obligations.

and also by Islamic rule/teachings, you can have multiple wives(up to 4) but must be treated equally at any situation at any cost.

mannyd Serial expat

309POSTS

11 years ago

there is nothing wrong when someone changes his religion. it's not illegal to change religion or become atheist.

it is illegal to abandon a family, if it happen within the jurisdictional area like in the Philippines.
it is illegal or immoral for someone to pretend he is bachelor/single to have another girlfriend or marry another, if it happens in the Philippines.

Unfortunately, crimes or illegal acts committed by Philippine citizens in another country can not be penalized in the Philippines, your lawyer should have told you that only crimes committed in the Philippines can be prosecuted. Example, a husband was caught with another woman in QC hotel by his wife but the wife/husband residence/lives in Batangas, the wife can not file criminal case in Batangas, only in QC because the crime happened in QC. While a civil case can be filed in any courts in the Philippines, even if the alleged acts happens in another area of PH or another country.

Just my opinion based on experience and studies.

I suggest you file a civil case in the Philippines against your husband and to compel him to continue supporting you and your kid, if you have. If not file a case of legal separation or annulment.

Talk to your husband amicably for a permanent solution. if you go for separation or annulment, both activities will be cost expensive i.e. lawyers fee, etc. if you have properties and you are legally annulled, property division is easy. but without court approved annulment it will be illegal for you or husband to dispose properties.

jose_4187 New member

9POSTS

11 years ago

thank you manny yes that is true but I filed a case which is RA 9262 or VAWC law because unfortunately I can't sue him in any criminal case. Is it true that he can't be married to Islam because I don't know or I don't have any signature that he can be remarry

my"name"is"raffy Contributor

196POSTS

11 years ago

Sad to say kabayan, but as of now it will be hard for you to do some moves, you can can go to OWA/POEA, to file the case, the upper comment is right you should still get a continuous support from your husband, this kind of case is all over here in ME. We OFW's leave our country to work for the future of our family. Not to make another family. Tsk Tsk..

Popolocroix Serial expat

423POSTS

11 years ago

jose_4187 wrote:
thank you manny yes that is true but I filed a case which is RA 9262 or VAWC law because unfortunately I can't sue him in any criminal case. Is it true that he can't be married to Islam because I don't know or I don't have any signature that he can be remarry

Once a person (man) converted to Islam, he can again surely, marry a second wife. But it does not mean, he should abandon his first wife or family (you). Better think of the consequences, if he fails to his obligation, then, i suggest, that is the time to pursue a case (going to OWWA or POEA).

mannyd Serial expat

309POSTS

11 years ago

Most saudi employers are family oriented and they will, most of the time support the family. Anyway Ra9262 is a crime see section 25. However the crime was committed outside the PH. Consult a lawyer and even a sharia law accredited lawyer to assist you.

Unfortunately i can not comment on marriage requirements outside ph or islamic marriage requirements.

jose_4187 New member

9POSTS

11 years ago

can i demand for his financial obligation to us?he told me that that the money he will gave is for my child only.

mannyd Serial expat

309POSTS

11 years ago

Support is not only financial to children it includes emotional and psychological support. Please go to a lawyer for assistance. Now that you have this problem i suggest you begin now to be independent by starting a business get a loan from poea and owwa other than filing complaints. Your priority is securing a good future for the child.

mannyd Serial expat

309POSTS

11 years ago

#10

Yes demand support. Make it official by having you and him sign an agreement in court. As long as your marriage is not annulled by the government it is valid and you can demand support.

mannyd Serial expat

309POSTS

11 years ago

#11

Good luck.

mannyd Serial expat

309POSTS

11 years ago

#12

Good luck.

jose_4187 New member

9POSTS

11 years ago

#13

thank you..

Felafel Active member

55POSTS

11 years ago

#14

That's what makes me puke when non Muslim will convert to Islam just for the sake that they ca be lifted from what they did (adultery) in Islam as far as I know equal rights must be given and the first wife should agree before her husband marry another woman. He will marry another woman if the first wife can not conceive a child with him.
Joan you deserve a better man. May God guide you in your life struggle right now. Don't lose hope one day you'll see how blessed you are that you are no longer with that kind of man.

keep the faith dear!

jose_4187 New member

9POSTS

11 years ago

#15

Thank you, Felafel those words lifted my spirit to fight for what's my right, to go on with my life . I have so much faith that all this things happen for a reason, prayer is the answer.

jose_4187 New member

9POSTS

11 years ago

#16

Ou nga kabayan sad to say ganon nga siguro sila para lang makapambabae kailangn mag pa convert to islam. Sana nga may gawin government natin about this puro welfare lang ng mga ofw pero wala para sa mga iniwan nila dito sa Pinas. Hindi ko maintindihan bakit puro pera lang ang mahahabol mo sakanila yung karapatan mo bilang babae at bilang anak wala mahirap pa sa daga mahabol sobrang daming proseso. Sana matigil na yung ganitong gawain. Pero paano kung Islam na ang kalaban mo. Im not against s Islam but sana nasasala nila yung mga taong ganyan. Haist thats life pray lang..

jeffcute Guest

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11 years ago

#17

jose_4187 wrote:
thank you manny yes that is true but I filed a case which is RA 9262 or VAWC law because unfortunately I can't sue him in any criminal case. Is it true that he can't be married to Islam because I don't know or I don't have any signature that he can be remarry

Ang sabi sa batas natin, binibigyan ka ng karapatan magkaroon ng isa hanggang apat na asawa kung ikaw ay muslim ( sa ilalim ng Philippine Sharia Court ), ngunit subalit datapwat, kung ikaw ay muslim sa unang pagkakataoon na ikaw ay ikasal, sa makatuwid... kung sya ay katoliko o kahit na anung relihiyon at hindi muslim nung kayo ay ikinasal at nagpalit siya ng relihiyon para mapagtakpan ang kanyang kakatihan, sya ay lumalabag sa ating Saligang Batas at sa Batas ng Diyos na Pakikiapid ( Adultery ). Dalawang kaso ang pwede mo ihabla sa kanya Adultery at Concubinage. Maliwanag?

Primadonna Jordan Expert

5334POSTS

11 years ago

#18

Please keep the conversation in English on this Anglofone forum. Otherwise continously by pm.

jose_4187 New member

9POSTS

11 years ago

#19

Salamat sa info jeffcute

jeffcute Guest

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11 years ago

#20

Wag ka sa akin magpaliwanag... Kay Pareng Google... hehehehehe...

jose_4187 New member

9POSTS

11 years ago

#21

Primadona, jeffcute says that according to Philippine Sharia Court you can marry 4 times, but if you are first time converted to muslim and marry through muslim for you to cover your infidelity that is against the Sharia Court Law

jeffcute Guest

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11 years ago

#22

Primadonna wrote:
Please keep the conversation in English on this Anglofone forum. Otherwise continously by pm.

I am sorry.

English Version:

According to The Philippine Sharia Court ( Muslim Law under The Philippine Constitution ) you can marry once up to four time if you are legitimate Muslim before the first marriage, hence if you are Catholic or any other religion other than Muslim before your first marriage and you converted to Muslim to make a second marriage, you are under violation of the said law. Therefore he can still be filed a law suit for Adultery and Concubinage plus violation of The Sharia Court.

magicman57 Member

21POSTS

11 years ago

#23

Sister your'e not the first nor the last, sorry to say, but life goes on and more than half of "those" marriages don't last and sure enough you may have your day...."kick the can and keep going"

Masita Member

17POSTS

11 years ago

#24

Hi.. A lot of Filipinos converted to Islam here in Saudi Arabia so that they can get married. The reason being.. The law in Saudi is really strict on out of wedlock relationship.. In any other country, your husband probably just cheating on you. Getting him back to the Philippines for justice.. How's that going to help you?? The best solution I could think of.. Let him go..

jeffcute Guest

0POSTS

11 years ago

#25

In Islam Muslim can Mary another woman but he have to do his job he must do his duty with old wife as before money house every things I would like from you to read about Islam to know how your husband thinking so you can deal with him easy and I hope you can be Muslim
you are welcome

jose_4187 New member

9POSTS

11 years ago

#26

Im sorry alshareefusama but your wrong most of the filipino's in Saudi converted to islam to hide/cover thier infedelity to thier wives here in the Philippines. But im not saying all of them "most". Try to research why they are converting? As what ive said I am not against Islam thats the truth about OFW men.

Popolocroix Serial expat

423POSTS

11 years ago

#27

jose_4187 wrote:
Im sorry alshareefusama but your wrong most of the filipino's in Saudi converted to islam to hide/cover thier infedelity to thier wives here in the Philippines. But im not saying all of them "most". Try to research why they are converting? As what ive said I am not against Islam thats the truth about OFW men.

So, how far will you go? - you might as well, just chicken out in the process...
i have heard of cases filed in POEA/OWWA - for the same reason - Hubby married anew after embracing Islam...and once, the husband comes to the Philippines for vacation, he will be hold from leaving the country due to this case (but better be sure about it with the POEA guys). Now, for the alimony, of course, you could always consult some legal experts with regards to your rights...it was the man who went astray off from your relationship, anyway. And just be careful/watchful, and always take evidences, notes of the events...it might be easier for you when the time comes for you to go to court.
But i am eyeing no 2 possible solution :
1-File the case, and run after your rights.
2-Accept the fact, and try to live with the situation (of course, accepting the 2nd wife)
goodluck!

hhamza Member

3POSTS

11 years ago

#28

By Sharia law, he shall provide for you and the children if you are still his wife for the Sharia law mandate that if a husband marry another wife he shall be just and give equally to both families: money, emotions, marital relation...etc

if you got divorced, he shall provide for the children money and emotions and must pay you money for taking Cate of the kids (even a mum is entitled for a financial compensation for her full or part time dedication)

The how the above benefits you? You need to file a case in court in Philippines (family court or any court relivant) the case shall be focused support and family obligation (not that he has a second wife) then take the verdict through your lawyer to ministary of foreign affairs and they shall post it to Saudi Embassy to mandate on him to pay his obligations

I have not done it before, but I understand this is what shall be done in such cases

adamb123 Active member

67POSTS

11 years ago

#29

Felafel wrote:
That's what makes me puke when non Muslim will convert to Islam just for the sake that they ca be lifted from what they did (adultery) in Islam as far as I know equal rights must be given and the first wife should agree before her husband marry another woman. He will marry another woman if the first wife can not conceive a child with him.
Joan you deserve a better man. May God guide you in your life struggle right now. Don't lose hope one day you'll see how blessed you are that you are no longer with that kind of man. keep the faith dear!

What makes me puke is judging people, you don't know he committed adultery or under what reasons he has got married.

I am not saying I agree with what he has done. If he is still married in the Philippines he should support his family. and if he is (or gets) divorced then he should support his child. I think things are more constructive when we give advice rather than start judging or falsely accusing people.

rareshine Serial expat

904POSTS

11 years ago

#30

no, the first one doesn't have to agree she doesn't even have to know. stop with these Islamic "religious rulings" based on stupid emotions and turn to the book of Allaah and the sunnah of the prophet salAllaahu alayhi wa salaam if you want a religious ruling. Allaah has already ordained that a man is permitted to have up to 4 wives, who are humans to be questioned what should or shouldn't go down.

I have some sympathy toward non-muslims in this situation but if the man is providing for you and your family - he is essentially doing his job as a husband.

it's clear this topic has been exhausted from all angles and I ask the admins to shut it down.

Felafel wrote:
That's what makes me puke when non Muslim will convert to Islam just for the sake that they ca be lifted from what they did (adultery) in Islam as far as I know equal rights must be given and the first wife should agree before her husband marry another woman. He will marry another woman if the first wife can not conceive a child with him.
Joan you deserve a better man. May God guide you in your life struggle right now. Don't lose hope one day you'll see how blessed you are that you are no longer with that kind of man. keep the faith dear!

hhamza Member

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11 years ago

#31

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A4Abdul New member

9POSTS

11 years ago

#32

jose_4187 wrote:
Good Day,

I'm Joan Cerrado my husband works in Riyadh Saudi we married legally here in the Philippines But he converted to muslim and marry a domestic helper that i don't know. I've already filed a case against him here in the Philippines but sad to say he has to be here in the Philippines. Is there any possible way that he can go back here in the Philippines. Is there any law in Islam that I can sue him.
Thank you Hope you can help me

Very easy!

You should also become muslim then you will have many other options to sue.
He will have to give u equal time, equal funds infact anything good he do to 2nd wife, be will have to give u equally.

Knadeem Active member

31POSTS

11 years ago

#33

In Islam there is no girl friend or boy friend, this is totally against the basic teachings of Islam.
what happened with you is regretable, he must inform you and entire family about this conversion.
moreover, he must bear all expenses for you and kids as long as you are his wife.
Islam does allow having 4 wives at a time.
this eliminites,illegal sex, prostitution and saves the family lives-condition prevails.
its not medatory to anyone have 04 wives for no reason, if anyone does must have justification here in this world and Hereafter in front of Allah.

God Bless you

Khalid

furqanrizwan Member

22POSTS

11 years ago

#34

well as per Islamic shariah and law, you can surely ask him to pay you remittance, being a muslim its his duty to fullfill your needs, clothes, bread and shelter and yes you can legally ask him all these things no issues, as far as 2nd marriage is concerned it is not allowed, if first wife doesnt agree
Islam aint that difficult as people think it is, we muslims make it look bad wallah

Knadeem Active member

31POSTS

11 years ago

#35

although topic has moved to other direction as usual.
1st ,2nd ,3rd and 4th .......................all have equal rights by all means.
Justice among them is the condition.

This is the basic principle and rule.................no discussion !!!

Now take the other real side of the same
what is the %age in Muslims having 2nd wife? forget 3rd and 4th.

Take the real picture how married and unmarried man and women, boys and girls are involved in illegal sex, let me call it prostitution.
if Islam has place a barrier to it ,pls don't try to play with it.
I bet and ask anyone dare to have 2nd wive and fulfill all conditions......................all failed.

but we need to put full stop !!! on illegal or "agreed" relationship by all means at any pretext or cost.
as if we don't like same to happen with our own sisters and daughters, why we propagate and support under the cover of illogoical knowldge about Islam
thanks &Wassalam
Knadeem

s77h2004 Active member

42POSTS

11 years ago

#36

Dear
first he is reverted to Islam not Muslim.Islam is religion.religion following this religion are called Muslims.
He should ask you to marry second women before heading for wedding.
You have the right to ask funding's for you and your kid,confirm with your local sharia members.
You can ask these every thing legally and he is bounded to do it.
Check with Philippine embassy in Saudi Arabia,they are looking after this type issues i think so
If you make good follow up sure you will be properly helped by even sharia members in your country too.
I will wish you good luck and Allah blessed.
thanks.

jeffcute Guest

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11 years ago

#37

No luck, sorry for you ...

fafagalf New member

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11 years ago

#38

Didn't you guys get divorced?

rareshine Serial expat

904POSTS

11 years ago

#39

show me a hadith that the prophet salAllaahu alyahi wa salaam asked his wives to get other wives. show me an authentic narration where the prophet salAllaahu alayhi wa salaam said that the previous wife must be asked permission. stop with the nonsense. you have no proof.

and you're right muslims do make it look bad, especially talking about religion with no proof

furqanrizwan wrote:
well as per Islamic shariah and law, you can surely ask him to pay you remittance, being a muslim its his duty to fullfill your needs, clothes, bread and shelter and yes you can legally ask him all these things no issues, as far as 2nd marriage is concerned it is not allowed, if first wife doesnt agree
Islam aint that difficult as people think it is, we muslims make it look bad wallah

kenjee ViP

19610POSTS

11 years ago

#40

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