Comparison Turkey/Hungary

As I've never been to Turkey I really can't say anything about the place.

I only know what I've heard from others.

I'm a fan of historical Turkish tv series. ( And Gyros)

Seen several of them as they are addictive and have allot of action.

My eldest sister visited there for only a day or two back in the early 1970's.

She got a very bad impression because a fellow tourist in their hotel was stabbed and murdered while they were there.

    As I've never been to Turkey I really can't say anything about the place.
I only know what I've heard from others.
I'm a fan of historical Turkish tv series. ( And Gyros)
Seen several of them as they are addictive and have allot of action.
My eldest sister visited there for only a day or two back in the early 1970's.
She got a very bad impression because a fellow tourist in their hotel was stabbed and murdered while they were there.
   

    -@Marilyn Tassy

I was in a hotel overnight between Istanbul flights.  Due to the idiot who arranged my travel, I arrived in Ramadan. 

Never go to Turkey in Ramadan and especially don't arrive immediately after sunrise.  Otherwise you'll "die" of thirst and hunger. 

It was enough Turkey for me.   I'd rather go the other way - Spain etc.

@fluffy2560 In Spain as I understand they start to hate tourists from UK and Germany. Sometimes understandably.

@cdw057

Too many incidents with (young) visitors, I do not think Spain (or Italy) will have a problem with 40+, but these binge drinking young (often males) people can be more quite (no too many complaints about young women, but still)

@fluffy2560I like my alcohol, I like my smoke, but I do not need to eat too much and I can easily survive 24 hours without a meal if needed (surviving without a cigarette for over 2 hours is a challenge already). Without alcohol, better not, but even without for a week, possible.

Personally, I can't stand the Turkish, Austria is full of them and most of them are right assholes, especially the kids. My neighbours are Turkish and we have had so much trouble with them.

For that reason, it has put me off visiting Turkey.

Austrian kids are a delight, you only have to walk down the road and are always greeted and wished a good day even if you don't know them.

That is very well described, in home country there are strict rules, respect for adults. In EU so called refugees come for other reasons, some families have still good habits, but the young people??

In Turkey I feel very, very safe, even better then in Hungary (which is also good).

What you describe for Austria also applies to The Netherlands (I am Dutch), the so called REFUGEES create quite some issues (and cost by the way)

I live in Turkey now and as far as safetiy and younger people are concerned (very good). The harsh approach by police helps (and everywhere (in Alanya) cameras)

I did not understand Hungarian, I also certainly will not understand Turkish (German and English is more then enough (and of course Dutch))

    Personally, I can't stand the Turkish, Austria is full of them and most of them are right assholes, especially the kids. My neighbours are Turkish and we have had so much trouble with them.
For that reason, it has put me off visiting Turkey.

Austrian kids are a delight, you only have to walk down the road and are always greeted and wished a good day even if you don't know them.
   

    -@SimCityAT

Kids vary here in HU.  Mostly they are polite.  They usually offer their seats on the bus to me which is not likely to be something we'd see in the UK these days.  Only thing is I must look old and wrinkly. i suppose I'm getting that way now I'm 63.   I do appreciate their offers.  I do like to think I'm a "young" 63.

Upside of the Turkish in AT must be having easily accessible kebabs.   On the other hand, I wouldn't rate a kebab over a proper curry.   

        Personally, I can't stand the Turkish, Austria is full of them and most of them are right assholes, especially the kids. My neighbours are Turkish and we have had so much trouble with them.For that reason, it has put me off visiting Turkey.Austrian kids are a delight, you only have to walk down the road and are always greeted and wished a good day even if you don't know them.        -@SimCityAT

Kids vary here in HU.  Mostly they are polite.  They usually offer their seats on the bus to me which is not likely to be something we'd see in the UK these days.  Only thing is I must look old and wrinkly. i suppose I'm getting that way now I'm 63.   I do appreciate their offers.  I do like to think I'm a "young" 63.

Upside of the Turkish in AT must be having easily accessible kebabs.   On the other hand, I wouldn't rate a kebab over a proper curry.   
   

    -@fluffy2560

Pretty much all the takeaways are run by Turkish, its only the Chinese and Indian restaurants that are run by Chinese & Indians. 

        Personally, I can't stand the Turkish, Austria is full of them and most of them are right assholes, especially the kids. My neighbours are Turkish and we have had so much trouble with them.For that reason, it has put me off visiting Turkey.Austrian kids are a delight, you only have to walk down the road and are always greeted and wished a good day even if you don't know them.        -@SimCityATKids vary here in HU.  Mostly they are polite.  They usually offer their seats on the bus to me which is not likely to be something we'd see in the UK these days.  Only thing is I must look old and wrinkly. i suppose I'm getting that way now I'm 63.   I do appreciate their offers.  I do like to think I'm a "young" 63.Upside of the Turkish in AT must be having easily accessible kebabs.   On the other hand, I wouldn't rate a kebab over a proper curry.           -@fluffy2560

I must know your secret to scoring a seat.

I am a couple years older then you and  often use a cane but 50% of the time I am not offered a seat.

I think they are raising a group of  masochists here.

Children are offered seats before I am. I know when I was a child the very few times we ever used public transportation we either sat on mom's lap or stood. Mom said you have young legs and can stand.

9 times out of 10 if I am offered a seat another women gives it up to me, not the men.

Alas I've changed my opinons abut European men being gents.

Just a fairy tale.

People are no longer taught manners or respect  for elders. Maybe I should move to Japan after all?

Saw a post today of people in line waiting their turn to use the escalator out of the subway station, of course the photo was taken in Japan.

Perhaps I should start dressing my age to score a seat?

Long shirt and a babuska?

Ever since I got my walking stick, I don't really need anymore but I do have problems standing for a length of time. So I am not keen on standing on a busy train for an hour. People do give up their seats.

    Ever since I got my walking stick, I don't really need anymore but I do have problems standing for a length of time. So I am not keen on standing on a busy train for an hour. People do give up their seats.         -@SimCityAT

I know, we stood for over 25 mins. a few days ago waiting to talk about a return in a shop.

My knee felt great in the morning but after that it was ice pack time.

I can't believe I used to stand for hours on end doing hair.

We stood on soft mats but even so.

I was a games dealer and loved dealing standing games, used to get upset when I was on a sit down game.

Funny how the tables have turned so to speak.

Pretty much all the takeaways are run by Turkish, its only the Chinese and Indian restaurants that are run by Chinese & Indians. 
   

    -@SimCityAT

Probably the Indian places are actually staffed by Bangladeshis.

Used to be Chinese places in the UK were run by Hong Kongers.

Not sure what the situation is now in the UK. 

I expect the Chinese here are mainlanders.

I must know your secret to scoring a seat.
I am a couple years older then you and  often use a cane but 50% of the time I am not offered a seat.
I think they are raising a group of  masochists here.
Children are offered seats before I am. I know when I was a child the very few times we ever used public transportation we either sat on mom's lap or stood. Mom said you have young legs and can stand.
9 times out of 10 if I am offered a seat another women gives it up to me, not the men.
Alas I've changed my opinons abut European men being gents.
Just a fairy tale.
People are no longer taught manners or respect  for elders. Maybe I should move to Japan after all?
Saw a post today of people in line waiting their turn to use the escalator out of the subway station, of course the photo was taken in Japan.
Perhaps I should start dressing my age to score a seat?
Long shirt and a babuska?
   
    -@Marilyn Tassy

I agree with your Mom.  Young legs can stand.  I was standing a lot at the airport yesterday.  No-one offered me a seat. It was also an absolute sauna.   

I must look like I need a seat.  But I hardly ever travel by public transport so I may have just got lucky or the people in our village have manners..  Our oldest HU kid travels daily in Budapest and says every day is full of weirdos and even harassment.  Not good and a hidden world.  To avoid all that one needs to drive and be cocooned.

Europeans have never had that kind of queuing culture.  The UK adopted it during the war when rationing was in force. It was either wait or get nothing.  I remember my Dad waiting inline at a German post office and some guy tried to push in. My Dad wanted to take him on but the German backed down.   As a kid it seemed scary. 

If you dressed as a babuska, maybe kids would start taking the mickey.  Sad state of affairs.

Hate to make my son seem like a little monster but...

In 1986 when we were visiting I took he and his cousin to the local shop to buy them some treats.

His cousin is just 6 months older then my son is.

Being from the US, I am used to giving people their space in public, no need to push and shove, it's not like it's a Black Friday sale everyday.

I kept a normal to me bit of space at the check out between the person in front of me and from placing my items on the counter. Out of nowhere some old women puts her items down in front of mine.My son got pissed and kicked her in the shin.

She still checked out before me.

I notice myself these days, I try to be polite but I have learned to not give too much slack or someones nose will go out of joint.

I also now tend to just ask my husband where we are getting off the tram or bus and I rush in before him to find an open seat. We often sit many rows apart.

I guess I've really lost my Aloha.

I remember when we lived on Maui and we went to Ca for a visit. I felt like I was in NYC in rush hour even though I was in a small city.

Everyone was in such a hurry to go nowhere and do nothing.

Now when I visit Vegas I feel like I'm going faster then other people do. Hungary seems slow but it's not at all.

I think it's not that people are moving faster here, they are just more aggresive.

I'd not like it if my young teen daughter was being arrassed on a bus either.

She needs some karate lessons?

My friend in Italy who was a high fashion model in the 80's told us whenever she was on public transporation and it was crowded, it never failed that some weirdo would start putting his hands up her skirt.She would scream and turn but couldn't make out who did it. Not sure why she kept wearing short skirts however...

A gym friend of mine was from Mexico. She was a mother of 3 or 4 children and middle aged. Nice enough looking with blonde hair.

She and her husband traveled to Egypt and were in a large bazzar market.

She told me that even in front of her husband men were gabbing at her everywhere.

It was bad and she was actaully afraid.Creepy isn't even the right word.Perhaps it was her blonde hair, they say blondes have more,"fun".

@cdw057

This is really good comparison, thank you.

I am considering and interviewing an international company in Budapest.

My husband  and I live in Bursa, TR currently. However, I coudn't calculate the cost of living in Budapest for two of us and still thinking about salary expectation for a Project Leader position. Glassdoor says 930K HUF/mo. But after tax, it seems pretty less. (around €1600)

As an expat who has been living in TR, I thought you might share what's in your mind with me. @cdw057

Thanks in advance!

Very much depends what you want, what age you are, do you have a job. In my view living in Budapest can be a pain (we lived in a village).

If you are a project leader for a longer term I would say EUR 1600 is very, very low. (Personally I would not even consider, what security you have ?)

If you speak English (and your e-mail is good) perhaps better to look at Luxembourg or Netherlands (apart from higher salary also more protection). I feel EUR 1600 for a project leader is not good.

EUR 1600 pm for two in Budapest will be a challenge (unless you have very, very modest life)

Of course I do not know your current job, but a project leader sounds more EUR 6 K pm, if you are good go on Linkedin, in Western Europe good people are needed.

@cdw057 Bottom line, unless your husband can also get a good job, I would say NO way, far too low.

@cdw057 OK I had a VERY good salary, but with the stress it was too much, we just now have some savings (not too much, not too little) and we can survive easily without income until pensions.

But still EUR 1600 for a project leader is outrageous low (even for Hungary). Please do not underestimate stress (it can be very, very nasty if you take job seriously)

@cdw057

I'm 29 and yes, I've been working for more than 6 years. We have decent life here, can't complain. It would be ungratefulness.

Over the 2 years, I've been applying the appropriate jobs in the EU countries, frequently. (like everyday!)

Due to EU visa or work permit process, the companies are rejecting me non-stop.

Last year, I got a couple of online interviews and an invitation to visit the company located in south of Netherlands, meet the managers face to face, get to know eacth others for seriously.  So, I went there and everything was perfect. (the energy between all the team members and I, enviroment etc.) Then they offered me €2800 gross excluding perks. (%8 bonus and holiday allowance)

To sum up, this was the second place that I got a positive turn back. I guess, it is not my shot either.

You were really helpful! Thank you!

    @cdw057
I'm 29 and yes, I've been working for more than 6 years. We have decent life here, can't complain. It would be ungratefulness.
Over the 2 years, I've been applying the appropriate jobs in the EU countries, frequently. (like everyday!)
Due to EU visa or work permit process, the companies are rejecting me non-stop.
Last year, I got a couple of online interviews and an invitation to visit the company located in south of Netherlands, meet the managers face to face, get to know eacth others for seriously.  So, I went there and everything was perfect. (the energy between all the team members and I, environment etc.) Then they offered me €2800 gross excluding perks. (%8 bonus and holiday allowance)
To sum up, this was the second place that I got a positive turn back. I guess, it is not my shot either.
You were really helpful! Thank you!

I agree with cdw057, it's on the low side. NL is one of the most expensive places to live in the EU but also one of the easiest for foreigners.  It's really easy to fit straight in there.

You might be better to look at Germany which has very high standards of living, good social conditions and a very large economy so lots of opportunities.  Sweden might be worth a look.

Forget about any of the Eastern European recent EU countries.  Salaries and social conditions are not good.

Oh, to be 29 again!!

The world is open to you.

Hungary probably isn't the greatest country right now to find yourself starting out in life.

Many skilled people your age have left the place.

What about Sweden?

IDK really never been there but I have a friend up there and she likes it.

Sounds like you're will ready and able to work so any country you chose will work out once you settle in.

    Oh, to be 29 again!!
The world is open to you.
Hungary probably isn't the greatest country right now to find yourself starting out in life.
Many skilled people your age have left the place.
What about Sweden?
IDK really never been there but I have a friend up there and she likes it.
Sounds like you're will ready and able to work so any country you chose will work out once you settle in.
   

    -@Marilyn Tassy

Mrs F just said there's a ramp up of South Koreans here now. 

Apparently it's all to do with the HU government's push on car battery factories.

I don't mind - being a foreigner myself.  And I could learn to love kimchi.