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Vung Tau translates in Chinese has the meaning of (the head at end of the line). I wonder if the name might be related to China influence in Vietnam going back in history a thousand years ago.

Porkypig wrote:

Vung Tau translates in Chinese has the meaning of (the head at end of the line). I wonder if the name might be related to China influence in Vietnam going back in history a thousand years ago.

Since the first century BC, every group that happened to stop by this peninsular while on the way somewhere called it by a different name in a different language.  None of the names was known or used by anyone but the group itself. 

The year 1775 was when the first official name was created by the French:  Cap Saint Jacques. 

Then in 1820, Gia Long (the first Emperor of the Nguyen Dynasty) sent three army troops to Cap Saint Jacques to build strongholds, guard the seafront, and fight pirates to protect the peninsular.  At that time, he issued a decree to make the locally known name of Vũng Tàu be the (final) official name of the land.

The meaning of the name is very simple:  vũng means a small gulf or a small bay; tàu means boat/s or ship/s. Vũng Tàu means a small bay where boats and ships find safe refuge.

Ciambella wrote:

Porkypig wrote:

Vung Tau translates in Chinese has the meaning of (the head at end of the line). I wonder if the name might be related to China influence in Vietnam going back in history a thousand years ago.

Since the first century BC, every group that happened to stop by this peninsular while on the way somewhere called it by a different name in a different language.  None of the names was known or used by anyone but in the journey of the group. 

The year 1775 was when the first official name was created by the French:  Cap Saint Jacques. 

Then in 1820, Gia Long (the first Emperor of the Nguy?n Dynasty) sent three army troops to Cap Saint Jacques to build strongholds, guard the seafront, and fight pirates to protect the peninsular.  At that time, he issued a decree to make the locally known name of V?ng Tàu be the (final) official name of the land.

The meaning of the name is very simple:  v?ng means a gulf or a small bay; tàu means boat/s or ship/s. V?ng Tàu means a small bay where boats and ships find safe refuge.

Very interesting & knowledgeable summery.

Must say I like the name "Cap Saint Jacques" being an old sea dog the name sort of conjures up old Bogie & pirate movies! bet it was some place back then.

I was told by someone who studied Chinese that to make comparisons between words in Chinese and Vietnamese, it is best not to listen to the sounds but to look to and compare the Chinese characters (the traditional not the modern simplified)  to the Vietnamese Chu Nôm characters.

goodolboy wrote:

Very interesting & knowledgeable summery.

Must say I like the name "Cap Saint Jacques" being an old sea dog the name sort of conjures up old Bogie & pirate movies! bet it was some place back then.

The name Cap Saint Jacques was used by the locals and old Saigonnais (myself included) until 1975.

Ciambella:  The site seems to be converting the Vietnamese U with the mark on the side into ?.  I don't know the distinct name of this letter but I am sure that it has one.  I see that yours corrected but maybe you just replaced it with an English U?

THIGV wrote:

Ciambella:  The site seems to be converting the Vietnamese U with the mark on the side into ?.  I don't know the distinct name of this letter but I am sure that it has one.  I see that yours corrected but maybe you just replaced it with an English U?

It's a new bug today.  Everything I wrote with an accent mark is now a question mark so I stop writing Vietnamese names the Vietnamese way.  I've been bugging the Team since yesterday with the bug that doubles every notification; now I'll have to add this one to my complaint.

During a search, I just revisited this great off-topic post from 2019 which I highly recommended for anyone thinking about living in Vietnam

I would like to remind the expatriates that Vietnam came out of 100 years of French colonializzation, 20 years of domestic war with the big help of China and the US in arms, won the war by the North Vietnamese soldiers who lived underground for 2 generations, survived years of economic sanctions, and now is still developing. The government gives priority in building infrastructure for commerce and tourism instead of education. The average Vietnamese people struggle to send children to elementary school, not talking about university or what. It's not Switzerland or the United States of America.If the social consciousness of the people are not that high, it is to blame the years of domination and war enduring, the 20 years of poverty struggling, the lack of amenities in housing, that's why people sh'' on the street. To the expats who choose to live in this poor developing country. Most of the Viet Kieu chose to go back and live here is because they still long to be Vietnamese, living the way they grew up with, secondly, it is great to have foreign pension to spend in Vietnam as it is still very affordable. For other nationalities the second reason apply the most. You want to live in Vietnam because you have a more comfortable life here than in your country, where your meager pension would make you feel a poor citizen. You should consciously be aware of the country, the people's situation. It is what it is, don't try to compare with your own country or other, otherwise why don't you just stay there where you were.I would like to point out that, these Vietnamese people are mostly friendly to foreigners who comes and use their resources, water, power, food, structure, landscape....they share all with you. (try to go to Nigeria, for example, and see how they treat you. There are even too many expatriates, the young IT nomads, the pensioners, a lot of scums and criminals too! who allow themselves to feel superior to the locals. You spend your big $$ (bigger than the locals for sure) . and create inflation of every thing in daily life. The locals struggle for the continuous raised cost of living: food, rent, transport etc.There is nothing that allows one human feel superior to others. It's all due to circumstances, where and when you were born and grow up, what color you were born too. Sometimes one has no choice.. The only thing that differentiate one person to another is the thorough understanding of the law of relativity and compassion to other fellow beings. - @luna2000

During a search, I just revisited this great off-topic post from 2019 which I highly recommended for anyone thinking about living in Vietnam


I would like to remind the expatriates that Vietnam came out of 100 years of French colonializzation, 20 years of domestic war with the big help of China and the US in arms, won the war by the North Vietnamese soldiers who lived underground for 2 generations, survived years of economic sanctions, and now is still developing. The government gives priority in building infrastructure for commerce and tourism instead of education. The average Vietnamese people struggle to send children to elementary school, not talking about university or what. It's not Switzerland or the United States of America.If the social consciousness of the people are not that high, it is to blame the years of domination and war enduring, the 20 years of poverty struggling, the lack of amenities in housing, that's why people sh'' on the street. To the expats who choose to live in this poor developing country. Most of the Viet Kieu chose to go back and live here is because they still long to be Vietnamese, living the way they grew up with, secondly, it is great to have foreign pension to spend in Vietnam as it is still very affordable. For other nationalities the second reason apply the most. You want to live in Vietnam because you have a more comfortable life here than in your country, where your meager pension would make you feel a poor citizen. You should consciously be aware of the country, the people's situation. It is what it is, don't try to compare with your own country or other, otherwise why don't you just stay there where you were.I would like to point out that, these Vietnamese people are mostly friendly to foreigners who comes and use their resources, water, power, food, structure, landscape....they share all with you. (try to go to Nigeria, for example, and see how they treat you. There are even too many expatriates, the young IT nomads, the pensioners, a lot of scums and criminals too! who allow themselves to feel superior to the locals. You spend your big $$ (bigger than the locals for sure) . and create inflation of every thing in daily life. The locals struggle for the continuous raised cost of living: food, rent, transport etc.There is nothing that allows one human feel superior to others. It's all due to circumstances, where and when you were born and grow up, what color you were born too. Sometimes one has no choice.. The only thing that differentiate one person to another is the thorough understanding of the law of relativity and compassion to other fellow beings. - @luna2000 - @OceanBeach92107

WE were eating lunch with my sister in law and brother in law in Dai Lanh a while back, my wifes sister asked in her English, was I happy here   I answered her: Vâng, chúng tôi rất hạnh phúc (Yes, we are very happy here.), She went on to say, Viet Nam is free and peaceful. Yes it is.

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