citibank usa linked w/ citibank vn for banking needs?
For a retired American (or anyone for that matter) wishing to reside in VN for quite some time would opening a citibank us checking acct linked to citibank vn be the easiest solution to remedy my banking needs?
I will be having my us pension deposited into the american branch and use their global transfer system to transfer what I need to my vn branch which I will set up for both vn or usd.
if the bank happens to offer a bad exchange I could just take it to an exhange with a more favorable rate... and since I'll be transferring only what I need I wont have any issues getting the money back out of the country, as I've been told there is some issue with that here.
Does this sound like a viable solution for me?
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jaytaylor84 wrote:For a retired American (or anyone for that matter) wishing to reside in VN for quite some time would opening a citibank us checking acct linked to citibank vn be the easiest solution to remedy my banking needs?
Yes, except for Brits and Australians there are other alternatives. Posters here have mentioned HSBC and Commonwealth Bank in particular.
jaytaylor84 wrote:I will be having my us pension deposited into the american branch and use their global transfer system to transfer what I need to my vn branch which I will set up for both vn or usd.
Exactly, and the beauty is that it is free.
jaytaylor84 wrote:if the bank happens to offer a bad exchange I could just take it to an exhange with a more favorable rate...
I would suggest that you do the Global Transfer US$ to US$ not US$ to VND. Make the exchange between the two VN accounts after the money arrives. For some reason this way yields a better rate. My guess is that making the exchange with the transfer gives you the rate for VND in New York and not the rate in Saigon or Hanoi. You can take out $$ and exchange them at a gold shop but unless you live downtown, that involves a trip in traffic and also a small fee at the teller. CItiVN has few ATMs but has cooperative zero fee agreements with a long list of local banks. You can make the exchange online and take out VND using ATM's anywhere in the country.
jaytaylor84 wrote:and since I'll be transferring only what I need I wont have any issues getting the money back out of the country, as I've been told there is some issue with that here.
Correct again.
jaytaylor84 wrote:Does this sound like a viable solution for me?
It does but, by using future tenses, you implied that you have not yet set up the VN account. If so, you may find that a little difficult if you have only a tourist visa. I know that they did not let my wife and I have a joint account until we were legally married and I had a 5 year VEC. I am not sure exactly what the criteria are today and they may be more lenient now. I think the problem is bank policy and not legal. I suspect they do not want a lot of inactive accounts being set up by people who will not be in the country for long. They also started a 165,000 VND a month service fee about a year ago, likely to discourage inactive accounts. You can avoid the fee with a large deposit. I have forgotten the amount required but their interest rates are so poor, it seems better to pay the fee.
I really only have two questions more for you if you have time...
1. I'm of the understanding that with even the basic checking account and maintaining the minimum deposit of $1500 I wont incur any fees with just *basic* banking needs...
so all I'm curious about is how much they might take me for with *their* exchange rate if I choose to withdraw cash from citibank VN converting usd to dong
citibank gold gives a "preferred" exchange rate also so that might be of interest to those in a similiar situation as myself
...but ive yet to find out how much better this "preferred" exchange rate is
2. THIGV do you think I'll have much issue with opening a Citi VN account if I have a 1 year business visa, apartment/condo address which I'll be renting, and documented proof of my govt pension, and citibank us acct?
will that help?
2) If you have a business visa rather than tourist and your landlord registers you with the local police (discussed extensively in other threads) you should be able to open an account but my word on that and 100,000 VND will buy you a coffee at the very expensive shop in the front of the Sunwah Tower. I don't think they will care about the US accounts. They certainly did not in my case. One thing to remember is that CITI VN is not a branch of CITI US. I don't know the actual legal structure but it is affiliated and likely only partially owned.
I'm getting a lot of naysers telling me it cant be done but then again I believe they have no real firsthand experience
Think of it as pushing the money from the New York bank, not pulling it from the VN bank. The money is usually in your VN account the next business day. I used a VPN for part but not all of my time in Vietnam. However as I made regular monthly transfers during my first months in VN, I am certain that I made them without the VPN which I used later. Once I was employed, I made fewer transfers, but did make them occasionally for big ticket items.There was a brief period, I think it was about three months in 2012, when CITI VN was ineligible for the free Citibank Global Transfer. A Citi US employee told me it was because of some accounting failures in VN. Another later told me that was not true, so I naturally believe the first story.
During that period, I used the regular international transfer method which had a cost of $30/transfer. Each time my fee was rebated at the end of the month. However, I was told that the refund was not guaranteed. Fortunately they worked out whatever the problem was.I was going to go that route for the same reasons you want to and it was not what one would think it was. But I wire from my US bank to various banks in VN and it is not a big issue. But certainly not a seamless transaction as it is in America. It may have changed. That maybe why you hearing naysayers. Just try it out and see how it turns out I guess.
You may notice too that THIGV speaks in the past tense. He too seems to have experienced some of what I did. I can assure you there have been a lot of controls put on banking institutions when it comes to transferring funds out of country, because of the terrorist networks I was told by my bank. After reading what THIGV has said I am fairly certain it is not going to work as you think.
Keep us posted, as this has always been a fluid situation. It may very well be that will need to subscribe to a VPN provider to mask your IP address here as he stated. You might want to try my bank Charles Schwab. That have been just superb and so far (nock on wood no problems with internet access. And you can reach them 24/7. Perhaps the best bank I have ever done business with. Of course, if your into the stock market you can have a brokerage account with them to which most will not allow outside the country. Again good luck with all this. I know what your going through. The move can make one apprehensive.
i just read your post about charles swabb.. how do they compare in your opinion?
thx!
could you elaborate just a wee bit on why citibank is so frustrating and why charles swabb is preferred.. in your opinion Diazo
***my biggest concern in regards to choosing a us based bank for traveling and living overseas is a hidden fee that most people overlook
the CURRENCY CONVERSION cost which is a percentage of the transaction..
sure charles swabb reumburses for all ATM fees overseas and sure they dont have a currency exchange fee but what most dont realize is that you're still being charged a conversion fee which from my findings, with swabb, based on anecdotal information, tends to be in the .25-.30% range
now if i can just find citibanks conversion fee i will know which one would be more appropriate for overseas living
by transferring 100 dollars to thai baht and comparing that figure with what I would have received based on the interbank transfer..
i lost 2.68% of the $100 total
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Reason : no bad language please
Your correct, using 2.68% would be quite costly. It has never cost me that much with either of my banks. Of course, the dong is pegged to the dollar whereas the baht is not. One can really get raped in countries such as that. Especially if your on a fixed income and rent a place for $500 a month and before you know it it is $800 a month.
I plan to check out Schwab too. I have a TD Ameritrade account and they appear to have similar ATM policies although I have not used their card. I really appreciated that I was able to set up a joint account from Vietnam as well. My wife didn't yet have a SS# then but she got an ITIN which worked for them.
But like has been said here in different ways, don't try to squeeze ever tenth of a cent out of it. There are cost to life. If you think that is bad, wait until you get here and go to a restaurant and they offer you a wet wipe and in shows up on your bill!!!!! :

Note, the VietinBank branch where I set this up is in Phan Thiet. Due to my wife's medical issues we are now living in Saigon near her hospital. There is no issue with my withdrawing my money from any branch of VietinBank anywhere in Vietnam.
So, I can make one free VOIP phone call and my money will be available anywhere in Vietnam that I happen to be, at the nearest VietinBank branch in about 36 hours.
What benefit is there to Chase, or any other Forign bank?
Mine charges $30 for any amount.
70 years old wrote:When ever I need money sent I do a VOIP phone call to the small local bank and it is in my VietinBank account in about 36 hours.....What benefit is there to Chase, or any other Forign bank?
Are your transfers free or does your bank charge a fee? If you have no fee on the US end then you are fortunate. In banking, often smaller is better.
Thanks
Diazo wrote:There is not real connection between any US bank and any bank here. They license the name is what I was told. You could not take your Citi Bank checks from the US and write a check on any amount you have deposited here. About all you can do is xfer money....then at a fee. I had Well Fargo in South America and BofA in Europe. But there was no advantage I could see. I no longer do any of them and just withdraw from the ATM fro my US bank accounts. All of them rebate me my ATM fees. But not international transactions fees which is a Visa issue. But I realize we all have different needs.
Right. Use Vietnamese Banks like VietinBank in Vietnam and American Banks in America and do your own wire transfer through the American Bank to the Vietnamese bank. This has worked fine for me for over 10 years. Getting a few thousand USD when I need it doesn't work very well through an ATM. Dropping into any branch of a Vietnamese bank anywhere in Vietnam and withdrawing it works fine.
Diazo wrote:Agree. My US ban allows me to withdraw as much as I want if I tell them in advance . But that does require MANY ATM withdrawal if I want to get $10,000 out. But I do not have a VNese bank account. My wife does, but that do not prove to be such a good thing for herself hubby!! Like I said, I know everyone has there only needs. My only real point is the US bank name on a bank here is not a US bank. Trump does the same thing and many others do as well. You get to use the name for a fee.
I agree. Why would anyone have a Vietnamese bank with only one branch just because they bought the right to use Chase's name, when there are so many other good Vietnamese Banks with many branch offices?
While I did add my wife to my VN Bank account ten years ago, and it was a real pain to do, she has never once in ten years used that access. Unless things have changed in the last 10 years, your wife does not have access to your bank account unless you fill out specific paperwork to give her that right.
I agree that the one branch aspect could be inconvenient for those who live outside of HCMC or Ha Noi but the long list of cooperating ATM's mean easy access to money anywhere in the country.
THIGV wrote:Joint accounts have the advantage of avoiding probate. If one spouse dies the other can simply continue the account. All my US bank accounts, including my modest brokerage account, are joint. My wife's Citibank VN account is joint but I am not sure if the same rules apply in VN. At any rate, it is unlikely that I will outlast her.
I agree that the one branch aspect could be inconvenient for those who live outside of HCMC or Ha Noi but the long list of cooperating ATM's mean easy access to money anywhere in the country.
Agreed, all of my accounts including the VietinBank account are joint. But, different marriages may work better if separate accounts are used. It was really a major paperwork headache to make my VietinBank account joint. As to which one of us outlives the other, due to my wife's health issues, it is a pretty good bet that I will.
70 years old wrote:As to which one of us outlives the other, due to my wife's health issues, it is a pretty good bet that I will.
I was thinking of that as I wrote but left it for you to say. All the more important to have only joint accounts in Vietnam. Can you imagine what it would take for a foreign spouse to gain access to funds in bank accounts held solely by a deceased Vietnamese spouse? Unless it was a true fortune, which is unlikely for most of us, the legal costs and bribes to officials would likely eat up most of it.
Loyalty can be a very complex subject in Vietnam. The title of my wife's book, "For Two Cows I Ain't half Bad." goes rather deeply into the conflicting loyalties she had. Do note, we are looking at a 1970's Vietnam.
One one hand, in her mind, my wife was my bought and paid for property to do with as I wished. On the other hand she was her "Family's Savior," whose duty was to preserve the lives of as many people in her family that she could. No matter what. No matter how dishonorable she had to be in order to preserve her families lives.
But, I completely understood her situation and was prepared to live with it. I admired her loyalty and suspected that that I could earn that loyalty in return for helping her keep her family alive.
I need to get a copy of your wife's book. Maybe I could learn more about the culture here. You would think a persons spouse would try to educate their better half on the culture. But my wife hates it when I even learn a Vietnamese word. And she sure is not going to teach me Vietnamese.
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