Settle down in Quy Nhon

Cuoc song dep wrote:

Hi all,

currently stucked abroad but lived for some years in Vietnam.

Now looking for infos about Quy Nhon :

I was told that foreigners can't live in any area they choose in QN but are parked in condos...

Does anyone have infos / can confirm such fact ?

Thank you for your help !

Almost totally false.

As you know, there are sometimes military areas or other government areas that are restricted.

However, almost everything that's available to a Vietnamese person to rent is available for a foreigner.

I think you are confusing the issue of renting versus purchasing.

It's pretty much true that if a foreigner comes here and wants to purchase a place to live, they are limited to purchasing from a developer who has a quota set aside for foreigners.

That subject has been recently discussed off-topic in this thread:

expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=926324

Diksha wrote:

Hello,

Please note that some posts have been removed from this thread.

Thanks,

Diksha
Team Expat.com

Such a pity that some members aren't removed!!
The usual trouble maker (above) who doesn't add anything useful, just fuel to a fire 🔥, tears to a flood

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Even condos you cannot live in it if it’s not registered as accommodation that accepts foreigners. Our rent is higher than locals because the property owner has to register it as accommodation for foreigners for tax purposes. As a foreigner you cannot just live everywhere or live with Vietnamese family unless again it’s registered for tax purposes.   If you notice one of the requirements of visa is residency certification and if the house you live in cannot produce that you can’t get a visa. One of the reasons why you pay the agents high in getting visa it’s because of those papers they have to produce. Make sense to you?

By law all properties have to be registered for tax, not just foreign occupied.

My brother lived with a VN family for 6 -years, no tax required for the owners, just coffee money once a year.He had to be registered on the house book for non-vietnamese as per the law.

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Make sense to you?

No, it doesn't.  Your information, whencever you get it, is incorrect.

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Even condos you cannot live in it if it’s not registered as accommodation that accepts foreigners.

A foreigner can live anywhere and with anyone he wants, there's no law dictates the what, where, whom, and how. 

Every business must be registered for tax purpose, thus a rental property must be registered so tax can be collected on the rental income, doesn't matter who the tenants are. 

If you live in a condo as a tenant, then the landlord must register the unit as a rental and he must pay tax twice a year on the rent he receives from you.  If a Vietnamese lives in the condo as a tenant, the landlord must also do the same.

As Colin said, you can live with your neighbours as a friend of the family if their house is not a rental.  If that's the case, the landlord wouldn't have to pay tax, but custom dictates that he should give contribution to the local authority for their understanding of the matter.

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Our rent is higher than locals because the property owner has to register it as accommodation for foreigners for tax purposes.

You pay higher rent than the locals because your accommodation is in a better location with better amenities, not because the landlord registered it as a rental property for foreigners.

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

If you notice one of the requirements of visa is residency certification and if the house you live in cannot produce that you can’t get a visa.

Visa is the document you acquire before entering the country, not after.  Therefore, residency certification is not required for visa.  It's illogical to require such document because nobody has a residency certification in Vietnam when he's still in his country applying for visa. 

"The house you live in" doesn't produce a residency certification.  The ward police is where such document is issued.  It's the responsibility of the landlord or the head of the household with whom you stay to take your passport and visa to the ward to register your stay.  The ward records your data in their book, then gives the landlord a copy.  Unless you specifically ask for it, you don't receive a copy of that copy. 

The procedure proves that a residential certification is not required for visa, but the visa is required for residential certification. 

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

One of the reasons why you pay the agents high in getting visa it’s because of those papers they have to produce.

You pay them a high fee so you don't have to do things yourself.  They apply for visa on your behalf using the documents you provide them; they do not produce any documents.

Ciambella wrote:

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Make sense to you?

No, it doesn't.  Your information, whencever you get it, is incorrect.

My hat's off to you for tackling this one. 😎👍

Ciambella wrote:

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Make sense to you?

No, it doesn't.  Your information, whencever you get it, is incorrect.

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Even condos you cannot live in it if it’s not registered as accommodation that accepts foreigners.

A foreigner can live anywhere and with anyone he wants, there's no law dictates the what, where, whom, and how. 

Every business must be registered for tax purpose, thus a rental property must be registered so tax can be collected on the rental income, doesn't matter who the tenants are. 

If you live in a condo as a tenant, then the landlord must register the unit as a rental and he must pay tax twice a year on the rent he receives from you.  If a Vietnamese lives in the condo as a tenant, the landlord must also do the same.

As Colin said, you can live with your neighbours as a friend of the family if their house is not a rental.  If that's the case, the landlord wouldn't have to pay tax, but custom dictates that he should give contribution to the local authority for their understanding of the matter.

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Our rent is higher than locals because the property owner has to register it as accommodation for foreigners for tax purposes.

You pay higher rent than the locals because your accommodation is in a better location with better amenities, not because the landlord registered it as a rental property for foreigners.

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

If you notice one of the requirements of visa is residency certification and if the house you live in cannot produce that you can’t get a visa.

Visa is the document you acquire before entering the country, not after.  Therefore, residency certification is not required for visa.  It's illogical to require such document because nobody has a residency certification in Vietnam when he's still in his country applying for visa. 

"The house you live in" doesn't produce a residency certification.  The ward police is where such document is issued.  It's the responsibility of the landlord or the head of the household with whom you stay to take your passport and visa to the ward to register your stay.  The ward records your data in their book, then gives the landlord a copy.  Unless you specifically ask for it, you don't receive a copy of that copy. 

The procedure proves that a residential certification is not required for visa, but the visa is required for residential certification. 

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

One of the reasons why you pay the agents high in getting visa it’s because of those papers they have to produce.

You pay them a high fee so you don't have to do things yourself.  They apply for visa on your behalf using the documents you provide them; they do not produce any documents.

Ms. C nailed it and provided the correct information as always. It never ceases to amaze me how some   people come on this site and post information that they don't have a clue about. Thanks Ms C for setting the record straight.

Rick

colinoscapee wrote:

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Even condos you cannot live in it if it’s not registered as accommodation that accepts foreigners. Our rent is higher than locals because the property owner has to register it as accommodation for foreigners for tax purposes. As a foreigner you cannot just live everywhere or live with Vietnamese family unless again it’s registered for tax purposes.   If you notice one of the requirements of visa is residency certification and if the house you live in cannot produce that you can’t get a visa. One of the reasons why you pay the agents high in getting visa it’s because of those papers they have to produce. Make sense to you?

By law all properties have to be registered for tax, not just foreign occupied.

My brother lived with a VN family for 6 -years, no tax required for the owners, just coffee money once a year.He had to be registered on the house book for non-vietnamese as per the law.

Colinoscapee you might want to go back and do a fact check on your statement about entries in a family book. The only way a non-Vietnamese name will appear in it will be on the back page as somebody to notify in the case of an emergency. Not as a registered member of the household.

Rick

Budman1 wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

gmorientalsaigon wrote:

Even condos you cannot live in it if it’s not registered as accommodation that accepts foreigners. Our rent is higher than locals because the property owner has to register it as accommodation for foreigners for tax purposes. As a foreigner you cannot just live everywhere or live with Vietnamese family unless again it’s registered for tax purposes.   If you notice one of the requirements of visa is residency certification and if the house you live in cannot produce that you can’t get a visa. One of the reasons why you pay the agents high in getting visa it’s because of those papers they have to produce. Make sense to you?

By law all properties have to be registered for tax, not just foreign occupied.

My brother lived with a VN family for 6 -years, no tax required for the owners, just coffee money once a year.He had to be registered on the house book for non-vietnamese as per the law.

Colinoscapee you might want to go back and do a fact check on your statement about entries in a family book. The only way a non-Vietnamese name will appear in it will be on the back page as somebody to notify in the case of an emergency. Not as a registered member of the household.

Rick

Rick
You may have misread what I wrote. The housebook I was referring to is the book for temporary guests, I think its this one ( khách đang tạm trú) you will notice I mentioned "non-vietnamese" as there are different books as you know.

At no time was I referring to the hộ khẩu of the house owners. The registration for foreigners can now be done online and house books are going to be obsolete by 2023, so they say.

Ciambella can correct me if I have got this wrong.

colinoscapee wrote:

Budman1 wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

By law all properties have to be registered for tax, not just foreign occupied.

My brother lived with a VN family for 6 -years, no tax required for the owners, just coffee money once a year.He had to be registered on the house book for non-vietnamese as per the law.

Colinoscapee you might want to go back and do a fact check on your statement about entries in a family book. The only way a non-Vietnamese name will appear in it will be on the back page as somebody to notify in the case of an emergency. Not as a registered member of the household.

Rick

Rick
You may have misread what I wrote. The housebook I was referring to is the book for temporary guests, I think its this one ( khách đang tạm trú) you will notice I mentioned "non-vietnamese" as there are different books as you know.

At no time was I referring to the hộ khẩu of the house owners. The registration for foreigners can now be done online and house books are going to be obsolete by 2023, so they say.

Ciambella can correct me if I have got this wrong.

Yes I misread, thanks for coming back and clarifying. We've both been around this place too long to put misinformation out.
Rick

colinoscapee wrote:

Budman1 wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

By law all properties have to be registered for tax, not just foreign occupied.

My brother lived with a VN family for 6 -years, no tax required for the owners, just coffee money once a year.He had to be registered on the house book for non-vietnamese as per the law.

Colinoscapee you might want to go back and do a fact check on your statement about entries in a family book. The only way a non-Vietnamese name will appear in it will be on the back page as somebody to notify in the case of an emergency. Not as a registered member of the household.

Rick

Rick
You may have misread what I wrote. The housebook I was referring to is the book for temporary guests, I think its this one ( khách đang tạm trú) you will notice I mentioned "non-vietnamese" as there are different books as you know.

At no time was I referring to the hộ khẩu of the house owners. The registration for foreigners can now be done online and house books are going to be obsolete by 2023, so they say.

Ciambella can correct me if I have got this wrong.

My GF registered me on line but she still had to go to the local cop shop with my new land lady, my Passport & TRC! & get a grilling from one lady cop as to why she was living in sin with an aging foreigner.

goodolboy wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Budman1 wrote:

Colinoscapee you might want to go back and do a fact check on your statement about entries in a family book. The only way a non-Vietnamese name will appear in it will be on the back page as somebody to notify in the case of an emergency. Not as a registered member of the household.

Rick

Rick
You may have misread what I wrote. The housebook I was referring to is the book for temporary guests, I think its this one ( khách đang tạm trú) you will notice I mentioned "non-vietnamese" as there are different books as you know.

At no time was I referring to the hộ khẩu of the house owners. The registration for foreigners can now be done online and house books are going to be obsolete by 2023, so they say.

Ciambella can correct me if I have got this wrong.

My GF registered me on line but she still had to go to the local cop shop with my new land lady, my Passport & TRC! & get a grilling from one lady cop as to why she was living in sin with an aging foreigner.

Yep, my wife gave the registration slip to our landlady and not a problem with the ward police.

goodolboy wrote:

My GF  ... get a grilling from one lady cop as to why she was living in sin with an aging foreigner.

Yes, goodolboy, why?   

goodolboy wrote:

colinoscapee wrote:

Budman1 wrote:

Colinoscapee you might want to go back and do a fact check on your statement about entries in a family book. The only way a non-Vietnamese name will appear in it will be on the back page as somebody to notify in the case of an emergency. Not as a registered member of the household.

Rick

Rick
You may have misread what I wrote. The housebook I was referring to is the book for temporary guests, I think its this one ( khách đang tạm trú) you will notice I mentioned "non-vietnamese" as there are different books as you know.

At no time was I referring to the hộ khẩu of the house owners. The registration for foreigners can now be done online and house books are going to be obsolete by 2023, so they say.

Ciambella can correct me if I have got this wrong.

My GF registered me on line but she still had to go to the local cop shop with my new land lady, my Passport & TRC! & get a grilling from one lady cop as to why she was living in sin with an aging foreigner.

Maybe she knows that the online system will eventually do them out of their bribes.

Ciambella wrote:

goodolboy wrote:

My GF  ... get a grilling from one lady cop as to why she was living in sin with an aging foreigner.

Yes, goodolboy, why?   

The only thing I can think of is that the lady cop took one look at my passport photo & thought hummmmmm the old boy looks a bit tasty & wanted my GF to elaborate on what she considered my many best attributes are!!! ....what you think Ms Ciambella?

goodolboy wrote:

what you think Ms Ciambella?