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Imho radicalism is this countries biggest threat at the moment especially bearing in mind that Indonesia can be extremely unpredictable and violent. It's one of several reasons for myself not choosing to become an Indonesian citizen. Having a white face here, whether a muslim or not, makes one a potential target in times of extreme violence. I agree with the Ministry's decision.

chrisandarian :

Thank you for the news..May be you can put the link to news ..
  Country cant be reason for scanning tourist, My partner is  Thai and I see MANY  low life tourist coming from US, UK, Germany and Australia, they will get involve in fights with locals and do drugs.. Tourist visa cant be for few elite country and not for others, they have to find other ways to scan tourist or control crimes...

Whoa there, sir! That's a very typically arrogant, and judgement attitude, coming from a person of your particular persuasion. We live in Bangkok/Pattaya, and I've seen a number of so-called "high-life" Indian male tourists , who behave like a gang of pampered, university graduated trash, in public. So, just get off that pretentious high-horse,  you've (apparently) been blissfully riding there, eh? :cool:

In addition, we've done some serious road travel, throughout India, as well.   Fyi, people are basically the same, regardless of their ethnic heritages, or national origins. Thus, we are qualified to state, that India has considerably more, than it's fair share of "low-life" people.

Fortunately we also met some of the most lovely, most delightful people, ever, during our three-month sojourn in India. Tragically, most of those people were also among India's poorest, and least educated (despite your boasted 7,000 year-old Human Growth & Developmental culture), in the 21st. Century social-system of "India", no less.  You Indians are just more sophisticated, at "skillfully" sweeping your peculiar brand of filth, under the rug! Capisce? :whistle: Best regards chap, and :cheers:

Sir- please check the history of extreme radicalism as it appears you're in-informed. Expatriates (whites) --- I cannot belive I just wrote that- but I'm quoting--- are not the focus here of radicalism. In fact if you follow the news you'll clearly identify that other Indonesians are the victims of this criminal behavior- not expats. In more recent times the internal security services have borne the brunt of extremist attacks. The exception was Bali a lifetime ago and may I point out that a number of national citizens also perished. Living in Surabaya I am graced with wonderful friendly helpful people who smile first with open arms. Im not sorry- but youre wrong and keenly misinformed about the intent of everyday Indonesians. Sure this country has problems- whose doesn't- we don't live in a fishbowl however your argument is ostensibly flawed. Aku cinta Indonesia (I'm Australian). I can accurately say I've never been ostracized in any way about my skin color --rather the opposite my family and I (2 mixed marriage boys) are treated with undeserved and unheralded social status. Wish I could say the same in Australia as although rare- racially charged incidents do occur. I'm simply not a target 🎯 potential or real- and there's no evidence in the current environment to substantiate your claim.  The current local area chief in my kampong is very proud I reside under his care. I'm proud to be under his umbrella  too. I'm with 360 on this one.

Last I checked we are all human, the colour of our skin or whatever else being not a lot to do with much.
I have a narrow view of diversity, that being I get to listen to a wider variety of music, get to understand new cultures and can try new sets of foods as I get to know people from other places.

I used to be a narrow minded and uneducated fool with racist tendencies but that changed when I saw how idiots treated the woman in our local Chinese takeaway.
Apart from my upbringing making it abhorrent to be rude to a lady, it struck me as stupid to be nasty to someone who was about to prepare your food.
One day I was alone in the place so I asked her how to say thank you in Chinese (I had no idea they spoke Cantonese or a variety of Chinese languages existed). When the food came I used the words and that brought a smile to a face that was usually stressed out.
One word changed my whole attitude as I realised the utter stupidity of racism and bigotry as I saw first hand the usually unhappy face smile. It turned out pretty great for me as well because I got to know a load of people from a wide variety of countries and cultures, something I would have totally missed out on if I hadn't uttered that first foreign phrase.

Unity in diversity - YES

Cheers and well spoken sir. There's no room for any bigotry in this world and we can all play a part- albeit in a small way in our daily lives to enrich and respect others. Well said.

This one is something all expats working or intending to work on Bali should note.
Immigration on that island are tough - Don't mess with them.

https://coconuts.co/bali/news/expats-de … k-permits/

Singaraja Immigration in North Bali has deported two foreigners for moonlighting as dive instructors, outside the capacity of their work permits.

The foreigners, identified as a 43-year-old Canadian man and a 29-year-old Danish woman, had Indonesian KITAS work permits, but for different jobs, which didn’t exactly involve teaching scuba. The Canadian had a KITAS in his role as president director of a tourist attraction, while the Danish woman had her permit to work as a sales marketing manager, according to head of Singaraja Class II Immigration office, Victor Manurung.

More details here

https://daerah.sindonews.com/read/12353 … 1504094435

To all, a work permit IMTA is sponsored by the employer for a specific role at a specific place and must be renewed if your circumstances change. This does include a promotion or a change of job location or any other change in your employment status. Failure to report changes will increase your risk of being detained, arrested and deported (or in some cases criminally charged and jailed). The above is a clear example that a work permit is not a carte Blanche opportunity to seek income on a freelance basis. Be safe and follow the rules- it's not that hard and with the current nationalism upheaval within the country you stand little chance of success before being reported to the authorities.

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That's 100%, more so on Bali.

Absolutely agree. Apparently two scuba vacancies on Bali Island which now can be filled by local instructors or suitably qualified foreigners holding a KITAP. So to those thinking of freelance instructing below sea level; please don't as an IMTA probably won't be issued by the Ministry for Manpower Planning. I may be too honest here and say the arrogance of a very small number of foreigners that consider just landing and working here is overwhelming. Perhaps it's a backpacker or working holiday phenomenon--- I'm happy to be corrected or simply wrong.

Indonesian Muslims angry at Myanmar because of the genocide so they threw a molotov that set fire to the  building.
All accepted but the cops said it was a beer bottle.
Why would a Muslim extremist have an empty beer bottle?
The other thing is the car, an MPV - not cheap so not common amongst the section of the population most open to extremist indoctrination.

http://jakartaglobe.id/news/molotov-coc … y-jakarta/

After the fire was extinguished, police found a shattered beer bottle with a wick attached to it, the statement said, adding that the perpetrator is suspected to have driven away from the scene in an MPV car.

Dave, I just want to add my two cents in full support and agreement with your observations regarding the current state of “radicalism” in Indonesia.  And, in that regard, I could not possibly disagree more with the comments made by Abdulkhalil.

I can’t imagine any long time expat here in country having the opinion that radicalism is increasing, or that more Indonesian would want to see Pancasila replaced by non secular governance.  Those same expats would also be the first to recognize and acknowledge that those forces of radicalism have diminished over the years…not increased.   

Unfortunately the recent situation with Ahok, which was essentially dirty politics, created a main stream news frenzy falsely sensationalizing the realities at play here. 

As for the recent crack down here in Bali with illegal foreign workers…this will be increasing in the months ahead, and so it should.  Illegal foreign workers are not only a detriment to locals seeking employment, but they are also a detriment to those foreign expats who “play by the rules” and follow the law.  With that later point in mind, a word to the wise to those foreigners considering such activity…I know for a fact that it’s legally employed expats who are more likely to report illegally employed expats to immigration.   

Thanks again Dave for your insightful and spot on observations!

I probably suck big time as I'm programmed to follow rules. This of course causes chaos for any scooter within 10 feet of me. Yes- I have SIM and STNK. I'm so boring 😬 I also love my local immigration office- but that love affair hasn't extended to the local birth registry office as I'm still waiting after two months for issuance. 🤣🤣 Aku cinta Indonesia 🇮🇩

Bali is know as a paradise island or the island of the gods but it also has a pretty terrible place to spend a longer than expected holiday if you get out of your head and kill some dude.

https://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/ … p?Id=17161

9/3/2017) 21-year-old German Guiliano Lemoine was sentenced to 1.5 years in prison on Wednesday, August 30, 2017, in the death of Indonesian Steven Djingga outside Paddy’s Club in Kuta.

18 months is a bit short for that one so I have to agree with the prosecution - should be longer.
18 months off for murder should see the end of any job he might have back home and a lot of trouble finding something new.
So much for a holiday in paradise.

If he serves his time in Kerobokan, (which is likely) the chances are good that karma will find its way to him.   ;)

Ubudian :

If he serves his time in Kerobokan, (which is likely) the chances are good that karma will find its way to him.   ;)

Better than average chance.
Indonesian prisons in general aren't known for their five star comfort so this story should serve as due warning not to behave like an idiot on holiday.

Speaking of the news......

Jakarta Post 5-9-2017
Footpath improvements in North Jarkarta for the disabled and women in high heels.

Really?

Disabled access I get.......but high heels?

Perhaps I need to get out more......

Jakarta Post 5-9-2017
Couple assault air hostess when they boarded with 8 pieces of luggage (overweight, oversized) and were asked to stow in the aircraft hold.  This has been an ongoing issue for many years- comments please.

The reasons airlines and airports are slow to enforce rules and challenge customers is that culturally the elder generation has always been given respect with younger people afraid to challenge.
We can scoff at this but it is true. However in order for airlines and airports to come in line with international standards they have begun to improve this and hence more news stories about issues with bad behaviours of passengers in Indonesia.
The days are ending for those with a sense of grandeur who believe they can get away with what they like as mthis effects companies now and profits.
There has been a huge process of introducing security rules and other good behaviour rules at airports but this is being in such a way in order not create a negative backlash from the press or employees.
Again western airporfs have long since had this approach but since flying around Indonesia from 2007 this process is new and in its infancy.
As for high heels and pavements, that's just about sidewalks being flat and continual and smooth not like the very bad ones we have now and of course the JP making things sound more interesting to read.

Gosh, this is less than I'd expect from a school.

https://en.tempo.co/read/news/2017/09/0 … ked-to-/!\ I AM A STUPID SPAMMER /!\

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - A number of teachers and students at Pesantren Ibnu Mas'ud, located Sukajaya Village near Mount Salak, Bogor, have flown to Syria to join /!\ I AM A STUPID SPAMMER /!\ and become "martyrs".

At least 18 people linked to the pesantren have been convicted and or arrested for involvement in militant plots and attacks in Indonesia, including the three attacks in the country in the past 20 months.

Reuters reported that at least 12 people from Ibnu Mas'ud had left to the Middle East to fight for /!\ I AM A STUPID SPAMMER /!\ between 2013 and 2016.  Eight were teachers, four were students.

Putting this into perspective, it’s important to note that while Indonesia is the most Muslim populated country on earth, fewer I S I S fighters have originated from Indonesia than most every other country on earth.   

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/8Mi5mt3 … -from.html

Ubudian :

Putting this into perspective, it’s important to note that while Indonesia is the most Muslim populated country on earth, fewer I S I S fighters have originated from Indonesia than most every other country on earth.   

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/8Mi5mt3 … -from.html

Click on the last option from that dropdown.
Indonesia is shown as having 700 idiots fighting or fought for /!\ I AM A STUPID SPAMMER /!\ - 700 too many.
That isn't forgetting the massive Muslim population of Indonesia making that a tiny percentage of the people.
That 700 would probably have been members of extremist groups of whatever sort, perhaps including those who want to send volunteers to Burma, that meaning there are a lot of nut jobs out there.
Happily, pretty much everyone I know here rejects militant stupidity.

With 225 million Muslims in Indonesia, 700 is .000003 percent, or statistically, zero.

That is utterly amazing. 

Have a look at the numbers joining I S I S from Europe, the US and Australia and this fact becomes even more amazing.

In my view, with 225 million Muslims, it is impractical if not impossible to imagine that there wouldn’t be some extremists…the miracle here is that for Indonesia, there are so few.

Yippppeeeee, Riqieq is coming home.
I'll believe it when he gets off the plane.

http://news.liputan6.com/read/3083193/v … -september

Fred :

Last I checked we are all human, the colour of our skin or whatever else being not a lot to do with much. Unity in diversity - YES

Unity in diversity_YES  And, we whole-heartedly agree with you, Fred, on that "Philadelphia-mindset" planetary point of view. :top:

However, that is not the 10,000 year, un-evolved, historic reality, within the real world of people :whistle:

Suffice it to say, when "we" last checked, both skin-color & tone levels, are (historically) a paramount obsession thru-out all of Asia, and particularly so, within S.E.A. quadrant, due to the diverse presence of the multiple ethnic-groups (either indigenous or not).

Case in point. The Nivea Skin Creme Lotion product (with "whitening" agents) boldly advertised on the packaging labels, is a thriving, multi-million Euros/annual import market (in Asia), and, is an abundantly "clear" statement made, regarding the typical Asian person's cognitive awareness, and personal values, especially in that peculiar "product consumption" regard. 

Just paying basic attention to the physical accouterments of the majority participants appearing on S.E.A. network television channels, alone, confirms that very simple fact of life, even within the very Muslim world of Indonesia, sir!  :cool:  https://youtu.be/RCQzR5yzZCU

Perhaps if we just ignore the colour of skin and focus on what is good in life then we wouldn't need this sort of conversation.
Creams to make people look whiter have been around for ever and I not sure how that makes people more of a racist or bigot.

lukereg :

Perhaps if we just ignore the colour of skin and focus on what is good in life then we wouldn't need this sort of conversation.
Creams to make people look whiter have been around for ever and I not sure how that makes people more of a racist or bigot.

Sigh! Our post was (admittedly) a broad-based, "off-topic" reply, specifically directed to Fred's, somewhat "off-topic" philosophical- statement. The intent was to generate a possible future topic of debate. That's all. Ok? Have a happy and :cheers:

Banking rules for foreigners have been getting tighter over the last few years, this latest news will see even closer inspection of people wanting to open new accounts.

http://jakartaglobe.id/business/indones … r-funding/

This isn't going to end well for them.

https://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/ … p?Id=17207

(9/18/2017)
The Cyber Crime Unit of the Singaraja Police Precinct has arrested two Bulgarians in connection with the robbery of two ATMs in the Village of Kalibukbuk in Lovina, Buleleng on Saturday, September 16, 2017.

NusaBali reports that the two Bulgarian, Rusev Boris Georgiev (42) and Marian Bogidarof Serafimoff (41), have committed a series of ATM robberies acquiring hundreds of millions of rupiah in the process.

The two were staying at a villa on Jalan Damani in Kalibukbuk.

Police were alerted to the robbery by a telephone call from Komang Sumarsana (28) received on Friday, September 15, 2017, at 10:30 pm. Sumarsana works in the ATM Surveillance Department of PT Swardarma. He told police that while monitoring of the CCTV camera operating at the Bank Negara Indonesia ATM in Lovina he noticed that someone had covered the camera to prevent surveillance.

Based on this information, Police from Buleleng and Bank Security rushed to the location where the two Bulgarians were caught re-entering the ATM at 1:00 am. At the time of their arrests, the two Bulgarians were carrying an ATM keyboard and recording devices for stealing PIN numbers from ATM customers.

More news from Bali...and I'll admit it's getting a bit concerning, is that Gunung Agung seems to be waking up from a fifty-four year nap. 

http://www.en.netralnews.com/news/curre … ndby.alert

https://en.tempo.co/read/news/2017/09/2 … y-Year-End

I have three cards, a BCA Flazz, a Mandiri etoll and a BRI Brizzi, the latter being used the least but is handy to have as they run offers such as parking for Rp1 and it's a back up if my etoll runs out and I can't get it topped up easily.
The cards can be loaded up with a max of Rp1 million and are accepted in a lot of places.
I find the BCA card is accepted in the most places, including paying for petrol in a Pertamina this morning, I can top it up easily as I have a BCA bank account so I just use an ATM.
The things are pretty secure and the losses are small if they get stolen, lost or hacked.

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - State-owned lender Bank Mandiri foresees over 50 percent growth of the electronic money (e-money) cards issued by them in 2017.

“The number of Bank Mandiri e-money cards in circulation as of August 2017 is over 10 million,” Bank Mandiri Senior Vice President for Transaction Banking Retail Sales Thomas Wahyudi told Tempo on September 20.

He explains that as of August, e-money card payments have reached Rp3.4 trillion with the frequency of card usage of over 300 million times.

Data from Bank Indonesia shows that the biggest surge in e-money chip issuance took place in June and July totaling 5,750,215 chips issued by 25 e-money card issuers.

Thomas expects the growth following as the government launched the 100 percent electronic toll collection that may increase e-money card issuance.

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