Protests in Hungary

Another one.....

Hungary: Planned demonstration march in Budapest on 23 February
   
       
7 Feb 18
Various student organizations have planned a demonstration over education on 23 February 2018 in the capital Budapest. Students have organized the demonstration to demand an increase the quality of national education system.

An unknown number of demonstrators will gather at the Deak Ferenc Square at 17:30 local time (16:30 GMT) then march toward the Parliament building.

Individuals are advised to expect associated disruptions and to avoid large gatherings as a security precaution.

Heard this weekend there are going to be some protests near Parliament.
Some groups want a recount of the recent PM vote.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Heard this weekend there are going to be some protests near Parliament.
Some groups want a recount of the recent PM vote.

Mrs Fluffy was saying this today.  Apparently there are groups in FB who do not believe the result and she's asking others what they think.  She hasn't found anyone who wanted OV or at least will admit to it.

I looked at the OSCE press conference.  Some quite strong comments on there about transparency etc.  But also on Euronews, there are pieces on fraud. I doubt it will lead to anything as OV has a strong foothold in Brussels and they are the only ones with any clout.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-euro … nd-hungary

SimCityAT wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-43702854/viktor-orban-election-win-is-a-chance-to-defend-hungary

Yes, I saw that.   I was just in Dunakeszi and saw a sign -  Orbán vagy turbán.  Apart from being an interest play on words, it's a rather ignorant thing to say. People who wear turbans are usually Sikhs and not all Muslim groups wear them.  Sikhs are mostly in India.   I don't think any Sikhs are queueing up to get into Hungary.  I sometimes had one when I was in the Middle East - just to protect yourself from the sun when out in the desert.

Sikhs have some quite interesting cultural and community activities - one is the open kitchen at the temple.  Anyone who comes can get some food and there's no discrimination - age, gender, religion etc.  Quite a nice and forward thinking idea. 

Could do with some of these here - for the homeless and possibly the elderly or just anyone to get some company.

Some breaking news that appeared this morning.....

I was musing over what this actually means in practice.  I am not sure Hungary has a "Good Samaritan" law.   

If an illegal refugee was injured in the street and someone took them to hospital or someone was starving and you fed them or even indirectly facilitated someone obtaining discarded clothes (e.g. leaving them on the recycling bin) and the illegal migrant took them, would that constitute assisting in illegal migration? 

Hungary: Government submits anti-migration bill

On 29 May 2018 the ruling right-wing populist Fidesz party submitted controversial legislation regarding migration. If passed, the bill would criminalize any activities by individuals or organizations that facilitate illegal migration into Hungary. While supporters have argued that the regulations are necessary to combat efforts by foreign groups to undermine Hungarian values and national identity, critics, including many international bodies and EU member states, view the bill as an assault of fundamental democratic freedoms. These criticisms have persisted despite possible Fidesz efforts to remove more controversial provisions, such as a tax on foreign donations to pro-migration organizations.

If Fidesz passes the legislation, EU bodies may consider invoking Article 7 against Hungary, initiating a process that could result in the country losing its voting rights in the bloc. In practice, such sanctions are unlikely to be enacted due to the stringent voting requirements in place at multiple stages in the Article 7 process, including one that requires unanimous support from member countries. Nonetheless, relations between the EU and member states in Eastern Europe may become increasingly strained. Ruling parties in Eastern Europe, including Fidesz, generally support EU membership, but have criticized the bloc in the past for unfairly scrutinizing their countries.

Not sure about making a law to make it illegal to help immigrants since HU is still taking EU funds.
Maybe there is a bigger plan behind this?
I know they are welcome in Bulgaria , they want the EU money to flow in.
Saw there have a new health minister here and the medical board/union / doctors have given him a list of demands.
Not sure about all the demands but 2 of them are , making taking tips not illegal and raising their pay.
OK, raise they quality of medical services and give people straight answers to their medical questions and maybe then  we could talk about more money for doctors.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

Not sure about making a law to make it illegal to help immigrants since HU is still taking EU funds.
Maybe there is a bigger plan behind this?
I know they are welcome in Bulgaria , they want the EU money to flow in...

I think this is just more grist in the mill to consolidate power. 

The EU needs support to invoke the article and Poland and Co have already said they will veto it.

Stopping the EU funds might actually push Hungary out of the EU since OV can use it to say HU should leave and then he would have responsibility to no-one.  I believe the majority of people support continuing EU membership so in a perfect storm, it could force another general election.

I received this warning from my alert system (my highlighting):

On 14 May 2019 the extreme nationalist politician Laszlo Toroczkai announced that in the coming weeks his Our Homeland party would establish an armed paramilitary group called the National Legion.

The group's functions will likely include responding to natural disasters and educating the public about national traditions.

It is unclear if the government will permit the group to operate, as similar nationalist paramilitary groups as well as extremist protests against the country's Roma community have been banned in the past.

Clashes and violence are possible in the medium term in areas where the National Legion operates or holds public events.

Another one (as sent to me):

Hungary: Anti-government protest expected in Budapest on 2 June


2 Jun 19
Protesters plan to gather in the capital Budapest on 2 June 2019 to protest a government plan to nationalize the Hungarian Academy of Sciences (MTA).

The demonstration will begin at 14:00 local time (12:00 GMT) at Fovam Square and proceed along roads including Vamhaz korut, Deak ter, Bajcsy-Zsilinszky utca and Jozsef Attila utca to the MTA's headquarters, where participants will rally before dispersing at 17:30 local time (15:30 GMT).

Although the action is likely to pass without incident, road closures and other elevated security measures are expected along the march route. Travelers are advised to anticipate associated disruptions and avoid all large gatherings as a precaution.

As received:

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Hungary: Far-right groups to rally on 8 February in Budapest

On 8 February 2020 far-right groups are expected to gather in the capital Budapest to commemorate the attempted escape of German and Hungarian troops during the siege of Budapest during World War II.

The rally will take place in Varosmajor Park near the Orszagut area of Budapest at 13:00 local time (12:00 GMT). Several neo-Nazi and European far-right groups are expected to attend, though the exact number of participants is unclear.

Counter-protests are anticipated, and clashes between protesters, counter-protesters and security forces are possible.

Travelers should avoid all protests as a precaution, anticipate localized transportation delays and follow all directives of local security officials.
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BTW, Városmajor is near the Dustbin and the cog wheel railway and Szent Janos Korhaz and not far from Moscow Square (NB: I refuse to use the new name out of homage to it's historical significance to myself and Mrs Fluffy). 

Presumably the thing is going on in front of this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Budapest%2C_V%C3%A1rosmajor_Park..JPG/800px-Budapest%2C_V%C3%A1rosmajor_Park..JPG

Hungary: Pro-LGBTQ march to occur in Budapest 24 July
   
On 24 July 2021 a pro-LGBTQ march will occur in the capital Budapest. Participants will gather at Madach Imre Square beginning at 14:00 local time (12:00 GMT) and march to Kalvin and Fovam Squares, Szabadsag Bridge, Szent Gellert Quay, Dobrentei Square and the Taban neighborhood before ending at Budapest Park at 20:00 local time (18:00 GMT).

Disruptions to overland travel are likely along the march route and adjacent roadways due to large crowds and associated crowd control measures by local authorities. While the event is expected to occur peacefully, a heightened security presence is likely, and isolated clashes between police and march participants cannot be ruled out.

We used to attend this event when they called it,
The Love Festival". Perhaps in Hungary it was called," The Love Parade".
I actually at the time had no idea it was linked to "gays". I just thought it was about Love and peple having fun being silly... It tok me a few times of going before my husband tld me it was the "gay" parade. Suppose I am over all too open minded or naive. I wrked in beauty salons and really didn't care or know which male stylists were gay and who wasn't, it didn't matter to me.
We would bring a folding chair and sit with a few beers and watch the show go by.
It was actaully fun, live loud music, wild customs and people of all ages and backgrounds having a fun time outdoors.
I loved seeing how inventive people were with setting up sidewalk "beer bars" people would bring beers from home and resell them by just setting up a folding table on the sidewalk and even sold food they made at home.
Then came the protesters who threw bricks and rocks at people, we missed it that time thankfully.
Husband was at a rockabilly thing with his friends at Velence that year , I just stayed home.
I sometimes chose to be alone rather then spend the whole time with HU only speakers.
He met up with sme friends of his and he slept in our BMW overnight. Not exactly my thing.
Will be interesting to hear how it goes today.

Marilyn Tassy wrote:

We used to attend this event when they called it,
The Love Festival". Perhaps in Hungary it was called," The Love Parade".
I actually at the time had no idea it was linked to "gays". I just thought it was about Love and peple having fun being silly... It tok me a few times of going before my husband tld me it was the "gay" parade. Suppose I am over all too open minded or naive. I wrked in beauty salons and really didn't care or know which male stylists were gay and who wasn't, it didn't matter to me.
We would bring a folding chair and sit with a few beers and watch the show go by.
It was actaully fun, live loud music, wild customs and people of all ages and backgrounds having a fun time outdoors.
I loved seeing how inventive people were with setting up sidewalk "beer bars" people would bring beers from home and resell them by just setting up a folding table on the sidewalk and even sold food they made at home.
Then came the protesters who threw bricks and rocks at people, we missed it that time thankfully.
Husband was at a rockabilly thing with his friends at Velence that year , I just stayed home.
I sometimes chose to be alone rather then spend the whole time with HU only speakers.
He met up with sme friends of his and he slept in our BMW overnight. Not exactly my thing.
Will be interesting to hear how it goes today.

As with all these protests, there's a risk of trouble from the opposition.  The thing is that Pride is supposed to be a celebration of diversity and not necessarily in your face political.  And of course this is now an overt general protest against government policies. I am pretty sure it will be attended by plenty of people who are showing solidarity.

I know what you mean about rather spending time alone than be in a group where you cannot communicate.  Mrs F and the F'ettes went evening swimming last night with a group of HU speakers.  I'd had a busy day plus been dog walking, my back wasn't so good from working in the garden so I decided I'd stay at home and catch up on some TV, movies and personal e-mails.

30,000 strong at the parade yesterday.
At the moment I am listening to the sounds of screaming and wailing coming from the "drunk/alcohol" tank across the st. from our flat.
It has been many years since anyone has lost their minds like this.
Last time it was an English speaking women and this time, who know's it's female though.
Sounds like they are strecthing her on the rack!
Not sure if she atteneded the parade yesterday, last time we had a freak out case it was during one of those international music concerts on the Island.
For about 2 days a women was screaming every hour or so,"let me out" in perfect English.
This women is just raving and growling. I mean she is screaming till her voice has cracked.
I am sure they are aware of her, hear men's voices too.
Man, I need some A/C so I can close the windows in the summer!

I am about to protest myself here. We just read that the family docotrs in Hungary are to report anyone who hasn't been vaxed over age 60.
They will send GP's and medical students door to door to vax people.
Dang, wish they would give this women a shot... A hot shot!

Protest about development in Tihany, Balaton:

Locals protest against construction around Lake Balaton in Hungary

Having just come back from Balaton, it's easy to see the ever expanding apartment buildings and private shoreline access becoming more of an issue.  There's real pressure on the lake and environment down there.

In case anyone didn't know....

Large crowds gather in Budapest amid papal visit

As of 12 September 2021 large crowds have gathered in the capital Budapest amid an ongoing visit by Pope Francis. Several roads are closed, and heightened security is in place in the vicinity of Heroes' Square, where thousands have gathered for religious services led by Francis.

(apparently has visit will be only 7h long and he'll move on to Bratislava for several engagements over several days)

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