A DAY IN THE LIFE
I am generally careful, and have lost very little, as I said.
Dominicans are generally not sneaky, as Mexican thieves can be. And I think Gypsy thieves are the sneakiest of all.
And please, no name calling or cultural stereotyping.
Thanks to all.

All you need is a few bucks & the know-how.
Or does it work different there
My question is a little off topic but its in reference to the question mike h77 asked concerning security. Is there a 911 system in DR? What I mean is, when you need police police assistance how do you summon them? Is it like it is here in America when you dial 911 and the call is relayed to a center who dispatches police ( or whatever agency is needed)
Or does it work different there..
Im getting to his question now..
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911 yes the system is new and only in Santo Domingo at the present. Is it working??? maybe somewhat but too early to tell. In the first couple of weeks more nonsense calls than real ones. Out side of the city police response can be very slow. In fact even here in Sosua we have learned not to really depend on the police for much.
Xavier_Onassis yes crime can happen anywhere and in fact I feel safer walking around town here than in many places I have lived in the US. To say that Dominicans are better of worse that Mexicans, Hondurans and such is kind of a raciest statement. If you are having problems maybe it is time to look at your situation and see what you can do to change it.
Massagewiz yes both articles are interesting and disturbing at that same time. However not all that unexpected here. Trying to compare things here (government, police, infra structure, laws, rules etc) to the US or your "home" country is not reality bases. Things are different here and if you are going to survive in a comfortable life here you need to adapt and realize that you really cannot change much. If we change the little things like education for a few of the kids, community projects, organizing small community happenings maybe just maybe over a long period of time (certainly not in my lifetime here) we can effect changes on the big picture.
Living here is a different lifestyle and it certainly is not for everyone. Leave the rose tinted glasses at home or to use on the beach not for daily living. This is why I always recommend to anyone who is considering living here to come and "try out the country" for 3-6 months living as an Expat and not a tourist. These are two totally different words.
Ok back to my terrific Dominican Coffee
Bob K
911 is working in Santo Domingo. An education program is going on to teach people how to use it. The first weeks they handled thousands and thousands of nuisance calls. The USA just donated more money to expand the system here in the capital.
Many many families cannot afford to send their kids back to school. Others are borrowing at 25%interest and higher!!!
Companies or individuals stealing water........electricity.....cable.....welcome to normal.
And to be correct we are now called "a developing nation". We are no longer 3rd world.
have never heard of. Anyway Planner, that's good, I guess.
When did we get this "status"?
It is true that in a place where local people are struggling to make ends meet, and here you come as the gringo, who is perceived to be rich, and have everything, then yes you may be thought of as to prey upon, depending on how desperate poeople become - and their morals and upbringing (or lack of), and yes, there would be a need to be extra careful there, more careful than if you were rich but in an area where everyone else was just as rich if not more. (Ie: as socially stable as you, as you worded it) And yes, COMMON SENSE is definately the key to being safe.
And yes that can be the case in any venue.. BUT,
What is the MAIN DIFFERENCE in DR as opposed to some other venues is the difference in Government, Law and Order.
In one word.. POLICE!!! It is key!!
Other venues can be just as dangerous as venues in DR yes, true, but due to some of those economic factors there, with lack of suficient law order and government is what makes DR more dangerous. I didn't notice any real tensions from locals towards visitors, a few ignorant comments maybe, I find DR raised Dominicans to be most humble and friendly people. What I did notice though was a lack of police control and regulation/ and that points to the government structure. Definitely worth noting as it relates to security because that, along with the economics, (people, Average Local people doing bad, not working, or the working poor, while looking right next to them seeing the gringo, who they perceive as having a silver spoon) along with lack of government; Lack Of Police Control - is what makes DR more dangerous than other venues. The police are not even making sufficient money themselves, and they're the ones empowered to run things the right way. And their behavior is not sufficiently regulated.. What does that spell. Yes, you can run into a problem Anywhere. But Everywhere is NOT the same!
What i mean is this. You can be in danger in NYC ghetto just like you can in DR barrios. But in nyc... ANYWHERE in nyc, if you pick up any cell, or get to any pay phone, or even use a phone that is disconnected, and dial 911 and say 'He's trying to rob me!' Or, "Hes hitting me!" Or she's running away with my pocketbook or even "He just broke the window of my car" (if you say the perp is still present) It's 99% probable that you WILL hear a police siren, within one minute of the call, even, before you get off of the line.. so will the perp! That, is what makes this venue safer because that factor is what maintains control. And deter crime. There is much that cops don't care about, crime is NOT one of them. Now compare that Mike to any venue where you have lack of police control or police regulation - and Everyone (even tigueres) know it. Lack of that factor is what makes a venue less safe. Seems controversal how you even summon police in DR. Here, even if you just dial 911 and hang up, the police WILL show up. See my point?
And in most any US state (city, suburbs, outskirts, etc) if you have the same problem problem you can pick up a phone, dial 911, state your emergency and either local Police, or Sherriffs Officers (if out of PD jurisdiction) or State Police ( if PD is unavailable) will answer. Just as I'm sure Idaho works. That Is What makes the difference. I've traveled a lot, and even in other third woeld places (Antigua ans St Maarten to name a few) I noticed the Police had control, reflects government.
Government and Economics:
In my experiences visiting DR, on my first visit/first day there, I was driving on the highway doing the speed limit (ok 10 miles over), but like whats ok here in states because my mindset was that I didn't want no problems with highway patrol, but what I did notice was everybody else flying and I do mean FLYING by me!! Around 45 minutes into the drive I noticed there was no police presence anywhere on the highway. (So when in Rome do as the Romans rite lol) So now I'm doing 95 mph and still I am the slowest vehicle. This was a highway called 5 in the capital. Where I did see a police vehicle I seen people even flying past the police! - and the police wasn't worried about it. I noticed people making u turns on the highway, even driving down the opposite way on the highway (all the way in the local lane coming out a gas station to catch local roads.) Told by friends/family that the police mindset is you don't bother them they don't bother you. And for certain offenses I was told that the police wouldnt even entertain. Seems like, people can almost do whatever they want without worries! (Points to Law, Order and Government control) What I quickly learned was that seems like out there you are just about on your own. This is key in noting regarding security because like in the scenerio you mentioned on being the gringo countryside, and some Dominican guy whose kids havent eaten in 3 days sees you and just assumes yiu have money, and he is desprate and thinks to rob you, and knows there are no police, no police number, no 911 system and no way to summon police; even, if there is a police, who also hasn't eaten in 3 days, and is friends with the tiguereue, that could be a real life scenerio that youd HAVE to be weary of my friend.. especially for your families sake. Id imagine you may have No Wins my friend! That what makes DR a venue you have to be uh, 'more careful' in. Other factors, of which I personally seen was people commonly walking down the street with unconcealed weapon like machete, I noticed most security working there carrying pump shotguns, sawed off shotguns, in banks food establishments even on a few beaches I was on as well as other things. So what do I do if the machete guy draws on me and demands my wallet. Do I call the police?! See here, walking with a visible weapon is an arrest able offense - for a crime called menacing, as here it is recognized as a show of force. That IS REGULATED, to where as people know not to do it.
I'm going to assume that it is due to the economy there, is why I have been prpopsitioned for money by police, more than once. We had discovered a NP officer asking us to buy gas for his marked police vehicle, have also been told by friends/family [in the capital there] that whoever has the more clout or the more money gets the better police service. So if I wrong you, but i have $100.00 to give to the cop you will be the one arrested. Told by a cousin about how a girlfriend once had to pay a cop, to retain her jeep as she passed a checkpoint and did not have her license. (Again I've been told this, haven't actually gone thru this, expats may chime in on this if it is inaccurate.) All points to an economy, and a tough government that to me is what makes there more dangerous.
As an officer here in usa that is unheard of to take money to provide better police service - because it is unlawful to even accept a gratuity for doing your regular job - and that shyte is monitored for real!! So much, that if you leave a $10 bill on a chair in a stationhouse it will sit there, and NO COP will touch it, for fear it is an integrity check. (Speaking for NYC law enforcement anyway) Again seems like DR doesn't work that way. So these are where some of the differences lye that is what makes there more dangerous. It's more of an anything goes mentality, and that's the social instability you speak of Mike.
Does NOT mean you cant make it there, many have. Just means you have to know the beast you're dealing with... and act accordingly.
Common sense is the key to safety right. If reliable sourse told me no gringo was safe in the country guess where I wouldn't b at??
It is possible and realistic to live here safely. Again you need to be smart, keep your head down and behave the way you want to be treated. Above all remember we are guests here!
The Cuban novelist Alejo Carpentier said in Los Pasos Perdidos that traveling up the Orinoco River of Venezuela was like going back in time. You started out in the 20th Century and somewhere up the river you would meet people in loincloths and body paint with sticks through their nostrils paddling along in dugout canoes: the Stone Age. The highway west from Santo Domingo is somewhat like that. Pedernales is more like the 1950's than the 2010's. It is, by the way a very scenic drive. Development varies greatly from one place to another, in any case.
Ive visited and stayed in the countryside without any services at all. We have extremes here and everything in between.
So my question.. Is it moreso that you guys just dont run into problems there, or is it that the problems are there but are just kind of just managed without incident. Lets use the example of an argument between two people of which one has had too much to drink. (Or to say it how I feel it, one boracho bothering people even you.) This being like on a weekendt, at a social event, outside of a big city where there is no 911. How do those situations handle themselves...
Are you guys saying that nobody really bothers others there including you guys? Or that it does happen but those things just mostly work themselves out. If you guys could give an example thatd be great. So some of us can understand how you can manage to not have real issue, without government.
See an accident - do not stop. See a fight - do not stop. Around people drinking too much - leave now.
Do not wait for things to escalate. Do not hang around with anyone shady. Do not date someone elses husband or wife. Stay clear of anyone involved in drugs. Stay away from anyone who thinks its ok to scam others.
Bob K
As a rule, the alternation is over within an hour or so,
The largest beer joint in town, La campiña, shut down last February. It was on the main square around the Parque Central, which has been surrounded by a wall of roofing zinc panels for remodeling. The renovation is proceeding very slowly. I have not seen anyone at work in the parque.
I have been to lots of house parties, bars, etc.
By far they are a lot tamer than most American
or Canadian places. Dominican people seem to
have a better control of their alcohol intake!
Fights are VERY rare.
Lots of vocal arguments though, which end up
with another round brought to the table!
Just act responsible.
Bob K
The east coast got it bad. Friday Saturday and Sunday at least they had heavy rains and lots of street flooding.
Sunday a friend of mine in La Romana sent me a video - he needed a boat to get down his street.
Here in the capital, Santo Domingo, we had heavy rain Saturday, Sunday and yesterday, with more rain forecast for today.
One of the effects of rain - is that the wet gets into the concrete in your houses! It takes quite some time for the concrete blocks to dry back out! While this will cool the house down it also makes it very very damp. Lots of dampness in everything! I use my air conditioner in my room on dehumidify setting to get the damp out of my clothes, my mattress and my leather shoes! I just hate the feel of damp.
Make sure to air things out now that the worst is over for now!!!!! Mold grows quickly here.
I also know some areas have had internet and electrical interruptions, some quite bad. I hope everyone is okay! They are reporting several deaths from this storm.
The good news - drought is over!!!!



Hope that those type of storms are only once in a while.. I was told August is the biggest month for rain. Even though it's not fun, it sounds like the area needed rain!
Syringles
Yes August into mid October is our "busy" season for hurricanes and tropical storms. this is when we are most likely to get them but not always. We all need to be prepared for what may come while not going crazy over it.
Glad you got thru the first rain storm!
As to filtration we have very little if any. We did treat (seal) our roof and all the exterior walls when we built. So no real filtration problem .
Bob K
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