@bobk.nyc :
Hey, sounds like you have had some misfortune in planning and the passage of time. We are having a pretty positive experience, and I think most will IF they follow some basic rules. Here's our read on the DR and general international investment opportunities and risks:
- TRUE, don't put all of your money into one country or one currency or even one bank. THAT WOULD BE STUPID!
- I wish I had saved the article, but about four years ago I read about a couple that had retired, moved to DR and obtained citizenship, moved all their money to a DR bank, and placed all their life's savings & investments into the investment arm of that bank.
- Their account rep was a woman who befriended them and grew close. Over a long period of time, the couple trusted her to the point that they effectively gave the account rep carte blanch to move and invest their money as she (the account rep) saw fit. (Pro Tip: VERY bad idea).
- And one day...the account rep gal simply disappeared...with a couple million dollars. Nearly all of the couple's life savings/investments!!!!! Investigations of several weeks had yielded zero indications of the whereabouts of either the account rep or the missing millions.
- I never did see any follow-up articles on the couple or the account rep.
- YES, savings rates in pesos are pretty darn attractive, and we have a modest chunk of money in a DR Certificate of Deposit. TRUE, the DR Peso does present significant currency risks compared to the US Dollar.
- However, I'm not sure that will be true for much longer. Increasingly, worldwide, the US Dollar is becoming the risky currency.
- In any event, our perspective is this: We want to have enough money in the DR, earning attractive interest rates in Pesos, such that we could at least partially fund a modest lifestyle in the DR JUST IN CASE.
- I certainly don't "know" what will happen in the future. But I judge the risks of a US Dollar collapse within 10-20 years to be at least 25% likely...simply based on current US spending trends and debt growth.
- Heck, even a dollar collapse is possible within 3-4 years...though it would also likely require another major world event, such as open Ward with China being lost and Taiwan returned to Communist Chinese control. Perhaps accompanied by the collapse of NATO.
- So, I want a reasonable nest egg in the DR, in Pesos and outside of the US dollar. Just in Case.
- BUT, we're going to stay EXTREMELY diversified with our overall savings/investments.
- Multiple currencies and countries...hopefully in the most stable currencies/countries available.
- As the Jedi say..."choose wisely, padawan."
- Definitely Multiple Banks and/or investment firms.
- And each such Bank or investment firm will have to be a cut above in terms of safety and stability.
- I spend a lot of time researching this topic -- I think about it at length.
- And we're consciously building "firewalls" between all of these accounts. Some will be in-person transactions only, some with tightly restricted online controls. And, one or two banks that are HIGHLY convenient in terms of online accessibility and ability to move money quickly, IF NEEDED. (But only about 20% of our net worth held in such high-convenience accounts.)
- And, obviously, I'm building all of this to be 1000% legal and complying with all national and international laws and standards.
- It wouldn't be wise in today's legal environment to play footsie with bank accounts and such. GOTTA STAY LEGAL!!
- Otherwise, that gracious, planned retirement could turn into 20 years in an unpleasant prison cell.
- It's just not worth the risks involve to cut any legal corners. I want to retire happily, not spend the next 25 years waiting for that dreaded knock on the door (if we're lucky).
- I will point out that, at least for Americans, competent advice from US tax experts familiar with international tax requirements is an absolute must to achieve any long-term plan of this type.
- We've already made a couple of bad decision in that regard...hiring tax experts who weren't nearly as expert as they claimed.
- The bad news is we received some bad advice, and paid a cost for it.
- The good news is that we've learned our lesson, and now take excruciating, detailed steps to find and hire highly competent tax experts in multiple countries. That's just the cost of doing business in the expat game, folks.
Now, some may ask for my recommendations on particular banks or countries or investments or tax strategies. Sorry, I'm not going to be sharing those. TMI placed on the Web is not healthy for one's financial account safety. Just not going there.
I will say that we are already about 20% diversified internationally, and expect that number to reach 50% by 2027.
I will also say I like these types of generic investments:
- Strong companies that pay solid dividends with inflation-resistant characteristics.
- I also like "real" investments. That includes real estate, certain commodities, some collectibles and a dash of precious metals. (NOTE: Precious metals in bullion form are NOT investments -- they are simply a "massive financial crisis insurance policy."
- The details of such investments are up to you. Your mileage may vary, so choose wisely.
A few words about "risk."
- There's no such thing as a "sure thing." No 100% safe investment. No perfect investment.
- I'm happy if I can achieve 85 - 90% success in my investing, using weighted investment amounts to reduce risks...whether that be in stocks or real estate or bonds or whatever.
- IF ANY repeat ANY firm or person "guarantees" you success in their particular investment...they're lying to you. Immediately cut ties to them, as they are promising something they simply cannot deliver...and they KNOW they cannot deliver it.
Let me close by pointing out that I am just another guy writing on expat.com. I AM NOT NOT NOT A FINANCIAL ADVISOR, STOCKBROKER, LAWYER OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF EXPERT. This is not financial advice...just a sharing of the outlines of our personal investment research and planning. You'll have to figure out all of the details yourself, and YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY. Plan accordingly, and choose wisely.
Respectfully, and best to all,
Jim
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