Your opinion on the health passport

AndyB74 wrote:

When inflation hits and they are forced to raise interest rates and this tips things over the edge I think you’ll see things differently.  Probably we are in for a global depression not far from now.

"Oh, yeah?  Well, that's just like your opinion, man."

Cynic wrote:

Benefits?  They haven't changed since these things were invented back in the 60's, they enable travel and the host nation has some re-assurance that you are not going to contribute or worse, cause a medical situation in your wake.

Those who see something dark behind this are, in my opinion, seeing things that don't exist; they have been there for many countries for a long time.

I have travelled a lot in my life, but I cannot remember having to show my vaccination booklet to board a flight. Vaccinations were normally recommended for my protection (and fortunately paid by the companies I worked for).

The vaccination passport is the next step to total control. From my memory it started after 9/11 with the need to provide lots of information for the visa and biometric passports. Now there might be a new requirement. But in whose interest is is really? I mean, no problem travelling HIV positive or with hepatitis or whatever.

To be honest, I think what we had was sufficient, but many of us might have read 1984 ...

Tom around the world wrote:

Cynic wrote:

Benefits?  They haven't changed since these things were invented back in the 60's, they enable travel and the host nation has some re-assurance that you are not going to contribute or worse, cause a medical situation in your wake.

Those who see something dark behind this are, in my opinion, seeing things that don't exist; they have been there for many countries for a long time.

I have travelled a lot in my life, but I cannot remember having to show my vaccination booklet to board a flight. Vaccinations were normally recommended for my protection (and fortunately paid by the companies I worked for).

The vaccination passport is the next step to total control. From my memory it started after 9/11 with the need to provide lots of information for the visa and biometric passports. Now there might be a new requirement. But in whose interest is is really? I mean, no problem travelling HIV positive or with hepatitis or whatever.

To be honest, I think what we had was sufficient, but many of us might have read 1984 ...

..... you know that 1984 was fiction eh?

Tom around the world wrote:

The vaccination passport is the next step to total control.

Hahaha - that's a good one!
A certificate showing you are vaccined is as much a step towards "total control" as restrictions on carrying deadly weapons (USA) or on driving as fast as you want (Germany) are one towards "total loss of personal freedoms". No: All of these are steps towards a more civil society (and minor ones at that)!

beppi wrote:

Tom around the world wrote:

The vaccination passport is the next step to total control.

Hahaha - that's a good one!
A certificate showing you are vaccined is as much a step towards "total control" as restrictions on carrying deadly weapons (USA) or on driving as fast as you want (Germany) are one towards "total loss of personal freedoms". No: All of these are steps towards a more civil society (and minor ones at that)!

Looks like you love total control in the most civil society possible. To each his own.

stumpy wrote:

I have a health passport of sorts.

Actually an international certificate of vaccination (yellow in color). Approved by W.H.O. and issued by TMVC, (Travellers Medical and Vaccination Centre)
Has all listings of all vaccinations I have had over the last 25 years with regards to working in various countries. Everything from yellow fever, polio, typhoid, diphtheria , encephalitis, hep B, chicken pox, cholera and others.

I - kind of - have that as well. But it is not required to board a plane or travel. It is for me to know what vaccinations I have to to remind me what needs to be added or updated to protect me when travelling.

AndyB74 wrote:

If he’s right, then the vaccine passports will be completely useless because of the number of variants, which he says you’ll never keep up with.

Wrong.
What's useless is the repeated flaming of this forum with wild, unsubstantiated speculating such as claiming that a worldwide depression is around the corner .. and re-posting an assistant professor's bloviating about variants-gone-wild supposedly due to vaxxing!
A poster who continually promotes anti-scientific disinformation needs to be called out .. repeatedly so, if necessary.

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stumpy wrote:

I have a health passport of sorts.

Actually an international certificate of vaccination (yellow in color). Approved by W.H.O. and issued by TMVC, (Travellers Medical and Vaccination Centre)
Has all listings of all vaccinations I have had over the last 25 years with regards to working in various countries. Everything from yellow fever, polio, typhoid, diphtheria , encephalitis, hep B, chicken pox, cholera and others.

Mine is very much the same, except issued by NHS England.  I get the impression on here that some people are pretending the vaccination passport doesn't exist, or can somehow be uninvented.  Others who because they have not had to show one in certain countries, again dismiss its existence or insist it requires special process to become required - all nonsense.

The fact is that they do exist, every member country of the United Nations has signed up to them and every single member country of the United Nations can request that you protect yourself against a specific disease or infection as one of the terms of entry to their country; for those in any doubt read the links I've previously provided.  As in all such things from the United Nations, you don't have to apply/use the passport - the whole purpose was/is to facilitate safe travel, you will be required to have a vax passports to be allowed to enter the countries where they require it.

Vaccine-related restrictions are not a new idea. Visitors to places where yellow fever is endemic have to prove vaccination with a “yellow card”. Immigrants to America must be vaccinated for 15 diseases listed by that country’s Department of Health before they can become permanent residents. So must children in all 50 states before attending public schools (though there are exemptions for the immuno-compromised and religious objections). In many places, similar rules apply to some health-care workers and to soldiers.

(see https://www.economist.com/science-and-t … -good-idea)

In my opinion, these are signs of a country well run, not of totalitarianism.

convel wrote:

I do not think a vaccination passport is not the right thing....  A person that travels and chooses not to get vaccinated would be entirely his choice.  so if he gets infected and gets seriously ill, it  would have been his choice and he should be ready to accept the consequences.... I believe this is a personal choice and no one should interfere on a persons life.... once vaccinated they should not be worried about those who are not.  Why should there be a passport that shows if one is vaccinated or not.  I think its no bodies business.  Why put people under pressure when its not going to make any difference...

Well, it is more complicated than the above post states.

Beyond it being an individual's fault for personally getting sick after refusing the vaccines, the infected one can infect others.

Nobody's business?  That's simplistic given that a contagious disease is the problem and some individuals are eschewing any responsibility for enabling the spread of it.

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The double negative, possibly unintended, in Convel's opening sentence further detracts from any points Convel was attempting to make.

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N.B.  I am not advocating for compulsory vaccinations or compulsory health passports.

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