Pre Vs Post Revolution Libya

I think Libya will be better than it was before the revolution and that all standards.
  Thanks
    Hakim,yaklef

yaklef wrote:

I think Libya will be better than it was before the revolution and that all standards.
  Thanks
    Hakim,yaklef

Yes, I am 100% certain that things will be much better after the this revolution and after things have settled down.

Regarding your comment Kepler, it is still very early to expect any sort of changes as the end of the previous regime just recently happened and there are many very complicated things that need to get created from scratch -- ridding the country of the old system and creating a new system. Government, judicial system , army, police, its a very big job and will not get created quickly.

The future will be much better for the Libyan peoples because the old system was not working for the people for a very long time. Many Libyans were very down trodden, poor, and with no hope of a change in their life time. The old regieme and the mumbo-jumbo socialist utopia ideology -- the reality was that the country was basically ruled by one man with an iron first who held all the power -- and it was very probable that the son would have taken over and he would have continued to rule the same way so this revolution was inevitable.

This is the beginnings of a new democracy and we should see in a few years a completely different country and system. What it will be like no one knows for sure, but odds are its going to resemble what most Libyans are like, a deep sense of tradition, very religious and conservative.

the fact that many are finding their "voice", beginning to vote (as in tajoura speaks volumes. the hard part is over, the harder part begins now. get involved and be a part of the change, not a bystander!  clean up day at martyr's square on saturday jan 14!

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douglas1969 wrote:

yaklef wrote:

I think Libya will be better than it was before the revolution and that all standards.
  Thanks
    Hakim,yaklef

Yes, I am 100% certain that things will be much better after the this revolution and after things have settled down.

After next 40 years?

I hope I really hope we will see the better life soon!

Kamaz wrote:

douglas1969 wrote:

yaklef wrote:

I think Libya will be better than it was before the revolution and that all standards.
  Thanks
    Hakim,yaklef

Yes, I am 100% certain that things will be much better after the this revolution and after things have settled down.

After next 40 years?

I hope I really hope we will see the better life soon!

its possible it could take as long as 40 years. But I hope its more like 10 years at the most. Its definitely not going to be a couple of months. They first have to get rid of guns and thugs and send home. When there is no law and order the people with guns and thugs usually take over and have their way. It has happened that way over and over in many countries and people that have gone through this sort of thing. There is very little reason to expect anything  different in Libya.

Completely agree. I only hope that it will not be like in Nigeria where foreign stuff attacked and kidnapped in order to get some money from the companies. To return back to Libya I think for sometime it is necessary to be guarded by some military forces at least until people will get rid of their guns and new government will be selected.

most Libyans want a fair shake -- a decent chance for them and their children to get an education, healthcare, and a job. not everyone wants the same thing and not everyone is willing to work as hard as another -- but many are hard workers but have been beaten down by not being able to get ahead for their work. there will be success stories in the next couple of years which will inspire others. we'll have the good with the bad -- but change is inevitable and it can't be worse than what Gaddafi had.

many libyans have been educated abroad and fled for one reason and another -- i hope as the next school year begins in september, many will return to take their place in society and lead by example. libyans are finding their way and things improve day by day -- usually in cm rather than meters, but libya is moving forward. let's see where we are in a year!

I am  back to Tripoli too...

This is the 4.th time that i visit Tripoli  after revolution and i decided to live here again ,of course it is not possible to change everything in one day  but this people haven't met with democrasy before and they have no patient, i have visited several ministery and people are nervous and asking for their rights without giving advance to the bureaucrats.

it will take time and will not be easy but at the end they gonna do it.

there is no difference on the street other than flags life is normal , and going better day by day.

the only thing i dont understand is, why they dont sound as one body?..when i read on the walls ..misurata rebels,zawia rebels,even tajura rebels,suq al juma rebels, ... etc.

there must be only LIBYA REBELS ( revolutionaries)..when they say .." we.." instead of .." me " things will be much more easy.

regards
win.

Free with no green goons

winafrica wrote:

I am  back to Tripoli too...



the only thing i dont understand is, why they dont sound as one body?..when i read on the walls ..misurata rebels,zawia rebels,even tajura rebels,suq al juma rebels, ... etc.

there must be only LIBYA REBELS ( revolutionaries)..when they say .." we.." instead of .." me " things will be much more easy.

regards
win.

You are right , i was so disappointed when first saw that , but this is the result of 42 years of mind filling of the sense of belonging to tribes or places , i hope this changes in the coming years when more educational seminars take place to rise the awareness.

Nothing Change Yet and Something come worst especially the safety
People here saying we change the Flag and National Anthem only
Libya Are the same and will still
bye
....

SuPerHit wrote:

Nothing Change Yet and Something come worst especially the safety
People here saying we change the Flag and National Anthem only
Libya Are the same and will still
bye
....

Someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Nothing changed? How about Freedom buddy?

uefastriker wrote:

SuPerHit wrote:

Nothing Change Yet and Something come worst especially the safety
People here saying we change the Flag and National Anthem only
Libya Are the same and will still
bye
....

Someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Nothing changed? How about Freedom buddy?

freedom and safety for you because you are British citizen and libyans are afraid to touch you. Your situation is not representative of other libyans or other national's .

How is it for Americans?  How do the Libyans feel about Americans?  Are  they safe there?

Sea Angel wrote:

How is it for Americans?  How do the Libyans feel about Americans?  Are  they safe there?

Safer than before.
You will see graffiti art on walls, thanking all the countries that helped them overthrow Gaddafi.

ImadAli wrote:

Sea Angel wrote:

How is it for Americans?  How do the Libyans feel about Americans?  Are  they safe there?

Safer than before.
You will see graffiti art on walls, thanking all the countries that helped them overthrow Gaddafi.

You will never rebuild Libya counting on foreigners. A person who is leaving their own country to work somewhere else for double or triple salary, such as Libya; it will always be in their best interests to ensure the job continues for as long as possible. It is common sense.

Part of the root cause of the revolution was rooted in the fact that many Libyans were dirt poor, didn't have jobs and didn't have any options or opportunities to get out of their situation while a self appointed select few lived in luxury and foreigners cut deals and kept sucking money out of the country.

The new jobs and opportunities have to go to Libyans and the Libyans have to get trained and educated to be able to do those jobs properly and rebuilt the country for their own children and future generations. Many Libyans suffered and died to ensure that a change gets made for the peoples.

I do agree with you Douglas.  If they need to be taught, teach them and get out.  I personally never thought any Westerners should have been in Libya in the first place considering what they had to deal with and the leader, etc.

But as far as this comment-- "foreigners cut deals and kept sucking money out of the country" -- I do not agree with.  Westerners were the ones constantly getting screwed with higher prices for everything than the Libyans -- housing, paying different price for the gyms, etc. -- business deals -- OMG foreigners were getting screwed left and right.

Have a wonderful day!

Sea Angel wrote:

and kept sucking money out of the country" -- I do not agree with.  Westerners were the ones constantly getting screwed with higher prices for everything than the Libyans -- housing, paying different price for the gyms, etc. -- business deals -- OMG foreigners were getting screwed left and right.

I agree. The prices are going higher everyday for foreigners.

Sea Angel wrote:

I do agree with you Douglas.  If they need to be taught, teach them and get out.  I personally never thought any Westerners should have been in Libya in the first place considering what they had to deal with and the leader, etc.

But as far as this comment-- "foreigners cut deals and kept sucking money out of the country" -- I do not agree with.  Westerners were the ones constantly getting screwed with higher prices for everything than the Libyans -- housing, paying different price for the gyms, etc. -- business deals -- OMG foreigners were getting screwed left and right.

I agree with that one. Unfortunately, it was and is what it is.

Foreigners are there because in the 50's American companies found oil. From the oil came money. The rest is history. Had they not found oil, there would no one there except Libyans exporting their dates and oranges and most probably living in peace.

douglas1969 wrote:

uefastriker wrote:

SuPerHit wrote:

Nothing Change Yet and Something come worst especially the safety
People here saying we change the Flag and National Anthem only
Libya Are the same and will still
bye
....

Someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Nothing changed? How about Freedom buddy?

freedom and safety for you because you are British citizen and libyans are afraid to touch you. Your situation is not representative of other libyans or other national's .

Erm. I'm from Gharian. The fact I grew up in the UK is irrelevant to the issue of freedom. Libyans no longer live in fear of being 'disappeared' because they said something 'wrong' on the phone.

ImadAli wrote:

Sea Angel wrote:

How is it for Americans?  How do the Libyans feel about Americans?  Are  they safe there?

Safer than before.
You will see graffiti art on walls, thanking all the countries that helped them overthrow Gaddafi.

And when people find out where you are from they thank you...even the ones who know just a few words of English/French/Italian

The demeanor of the people is so much friendlier. Even women (I am female) but even women in the souk say Hello or Good Morning to me. It's wonderful Greet them with a cheerful smile and my mangled Saha el Kheir and it's great.  And the kids? laughing and shaking your hand and saying "obama" "tammam" "mia mia"

Growing pains there are but slowly and surely things are coming together. People in Libya want freedom and are willing to put up with a lot in order to get to elections --

Thank you, Everyone.  Enshallah!!!