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Clinical psychologists with foreign degrees and no Dutch language

Last activity 24 April 2023 by Cynic

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Guest9765

Hi everyone,

I'm currently considering moving to the Netherlands with my partner, who has been offered a job in Amsterdam. My concern is that I won't be able to find a satisfying job in the field of clinical psychology, considering I haven't trained in the Netherlands (all degrees and doctoral training in clin psych I've done in the UK), and I don't speak Dutch either.

I have approached agencies that provide psychology services in languages other than Dutch in Amsterdam, and these seem to have vacancies for therapists only, not so much clinical psychologists. I have contacted the NIP to find out some more information about the types of psychologists that exist in the Netherlands, process of accreditation etc. and await their reply, but I thought it would be best to ask the experience of someone who might have been in the same situation I find myself in now.

Any kind of personal view & info would be incredibly useful to help myself and my partner decide whether moving to Amsterdam would be a good decision for my career too.

Thanks!

Matteo

Cynic

Hi and welcome to the Forum.

Assuming yours is a medical field, then you will need to be registered on the BIG register in order to work anywhere in the Netherlands; this link will take you to their website.

One thing that will cause you a major issue is your Dutch.  There is a section in there "Proof of language proficiency"; I strongly suggest you read it and consider the implications.

Hope this helps.

Cynic
Expat Team

Ramses K.

It will be very difficult the competiition is already fierce and without being fluent in Dutch you will not have a chance to land a  job.
And yes you have to be registered in the BIG-register.

Katie Tunney

Hey Mateo,

As a music therapist, i can tell you that without being fluent in Dutch, it will be very difficult for you. I am not sure about your diplomas since its not my field.

Do you mind sharing which agencies you have contacted? I have been trying to find a job in an international institution but it seems to be very hard for me.

Hope all goes well for you.

Regards,
Katie

Guest9765

Hey Katie,

The agency I contacted is called Kuhler and Partners: https://www.internationalmentalhealth.nl/

Best of luck with your search!

Matteo

Ramses K.

matteotdpc wrote:

Hey Katie,

The agency I contacted is called Kuhler and Partners: https://www.internationalmentalhealth.nl/

Best of luck with your search!

Matteo


Good luck! It would be perfect for you.

Cynic

Must admit I had never heard of a music therapist and was pretty sceptical; so, I asked my wife who is a nurse, she put me right.  I was surprised to hear that her father who is in a care home in the Netherlands has undergone music therapy for the past 12 months and it has really brought him around from his mental health issues.  So, I apologise for my ignorance and I wish you all the best of luck in developing your careers.

The bottom line here is if anybody wants a decent job in the Netherlands, then you really need to speak Dutch.  Yes, there are multi-nationals and yes, many Dutch people speak English, but life around you is in Dutch, the things around you are Dutch.

Guest9765

Your point about needing to speak Dutch makes sense; especially for a language based profession.

Would you perchance be able to recommend a private Dutch language school/tuition/classes? In light of your point, I feel that learning Dutch would need to be a top priority for me. Plus it is always nice to be able to speak to the locals in their own tongue.

Thanks,

Matteo

Cynic

matteotdpc wrote:

Your point about needing to speak Dutch makes sense; especially for a language based profession.

Would you perchance be able to recommend a private Dutch language school/tuition/classes? In light of your point, I feel that learning Dutch would need to be a top priority for me. Plus it is always nice to be able to speak to the locals in their own tongue.

Thanks,

Matteo


Hi again.

I learnt by speaking it, with my wife correcting me.  There is a Dutch Government-sponsored thing called "Naar Nederland"; this link takes you to the website.  Assuming you're a Brit, it's actually not aimed at people like yourself, but what it does is give you a very basic beginning; there are also some examples on YouTube (just search for NaarNederland).

Once you get there; here's a link you can follow up on.

Hope this helps.

Cynic
Expat Team

Ramses K.

matteotdpc wrote:

Your point about needing to speak Dutch makes sense; especially for a language based profession.

Would you perchance be able to recommend a private Dutch language school/tuition/classes? In light of your point, I feel that learning Dutch would need to be a top priority for me. Plus it is always nice to be able to speak to the locals in their own tongue.

Thanks,

Matteo


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Guest9765

Hi Cynic, I'm not a Brit, I'm Italo-slovenian so hopefully I'll be able to capitalise on my dual-mothertoungue upbringing, and experience of learning other languages, when embarking on learning Dutch. Thanks for sharing the links, they look useful.

Guest9765

Wonderful, thank you, Ramses.

Jinoys
@matteotdpc

Dear Matteo,


I’ve found myself in exactly the same situation you described. Currently working in the  NHS with ClinPsyD qualification but moving to the Netherlands due to my husband’s job. I was wondering what yiur journey was like trying to convert your HCPC to BIG and looming for a job? Would very much appreciate your wisdom!



J xx
Guest9765
@Jinoys

Hi J,

My experience ended up being unfruitful, unfortunately. In order to get BIG registration and practice in the Dutch NHS equivalent, your Dutch language proficiency needs to be at B2 level, which is tested, and you also need to pass two other exams, one based on clinical knowledge, which is fine, and the other based on the Dutch healthcare system. Thus you need to know both the language and the system in order to practice in the public sector. Which I ended up not pursuing, seeing how many years that would have taken me.

What I did instead was looking for work in the private sector, and for the NHS working from here. You can find a number of English speaking private practices with a quick Google search, whereas for NHS overseas fully remote work, I recommend searching through an agency (I use Pulse); agencies are more oriented towards fixed term contracts, and it is technically agency work so no paid A/L, no pension contributions etc. however in my experience still more straightforward than working in the private sector here.


Any other questions, please let me know, I'd be more than happy to help if I can! Best of luck with your move and job hunt in the meanwhile!


Matteo
Curiouscarrie
Hi Matteo,

I appreciate you starting this conversation. I am a Clinical Mental Health Counselor, M.A. in the U.S but from the EU originally. I am looking to move back to the EU now and how I could practice there. In your latest post you mentioned working in private practice. Is there any type of licensure needed to work in private practice in the Netherlands?

Thank you,
Guest9765

@Curiouscarrie 

I'm afraid I'm no expert in this, and far less so considering my lack of fortune in actually finding work in the Netherlands. What I would suggest is to check out the relevant websites to get an idea of what the requirements to practice in the Netherlands are, such as https://www.psynip.nl/en/dutch-associat … big-nip/. 

What I do know is that you need a professional registration of sorts (multiple options), and a private insurance, to practice as a therapist.  

That all may sound a bit daunting, and in my experience it can be, but it sounds like you have some excellent skills & qualifications, which is a fantastic starting point. Good luck with all the rest!

Anks94

Hi


I have studied my Counselling Psychology Masters from Mumbai, India and then I did my Masters in Applied Child Psychology from Nottingham Trent University in UK. I was looking at prospects of working in Netherland as a therapist. Would that be possible?

Cynic

Hi
I have studied my Counselling Psychology Masters from Mumbai, India and then I did my Masters in Applied Child Psychology from Nottingham Trent University in UK. I was looking at prospects of working in Netherland as a therapist. Would that be possible?
-@Anks94

Hi and welcome to the forum.


If you can speak Dutch and your diplomas are recognised by BIG, yes, perfectly possible.


I hope this helps.


Cynic

Expat Team

Lynne_H

Hello,


I'm looking to relocate to Netherlands in about a years time as my husband is being posted there for work. I have a Masters in Educational Psychology from Australia, and currently work in Singapore as an Educational Psychologist (also known as a School Psychologist in some places I believe). I am effectively bilingual in English and Mandarin, and am currently learning Dutch (but don't foresee myself being fluent anytime soon). I'm seeking info on what work opportunities there are in Netherlands. I am open to working in international schools/special schools as a teaching assistant/therapist/counsellor, if that is an option.  Keen to link up with anyone with similar experiences! Thank you!

Cynic

Hello,
I'm looking to relocate to Netherlands in about a years time as my husband is being posted there for work. I have a Masters in Educational Psychology from Australia, and currently work in Singapore as an Educational Psychologist (also known as a School Psychologist in some places I believe). I am effectively bilingual in English and Mandarin, and am currently learning Dutch (but don't foresee myself being fluent anytime soon). I'm seeking info on what work opportunities there are in Netherlands. I am open to working in international schools/special schools as a teaching assistant/therapist/counsellor, if that is an option. Keen to link up with anyone with similar experiences! Thank you!
-@Lynne_H

Hi and welcome to the Forum.


Try joining LinkedIn and reaching out to your peers already in the Netherlands.


I hope this helps.


Cynic

Expat Team

Primadonna

Hello,
I'm looking to relocate to Netherlands in about a years time as my husband is being posted there for work. I have a Masters in Educational Psychology from Australia, and currently work in Singapore as an Educational Psychologist (also known as a School Psychologist in some places I believe). I am effectively bilingual in English and Mandarin, and am currently learning Dutch (but don't foresee myself being fluent anytime soon). I'm seeking info on what work opportunities there are in Netherlands. I am open to working in international schools/special schools as a teaching assistant/therapist/counsellor, if that is an option. Keen to link up with anyone with similar experiences! Thank you!
-@Lynne_H


To work in the Netherlands, and specifically in your field and similar, you need to have at least level B2 Dutch which means almost fluent

As you already said you won't reach that level anytime soon, your options are limited.

Working with or in an international school or settings might your best option.

Besides that, you have to legalise and accepted your diploma's and certifications.

You can get more information if you visit www.duo.nl

SAGEAU

Hi! I am a registered and licensed clinical psychologist from India, with three Indian degrees. I am looking for job as a psychotherapist/clinical psychologist in Netherlands. I understand that I must get registered at the BIG registry. Can you tell me how long the whole procedure takes? I am also not proficient at Dutch. 

Are here any jo oppurtunities for English speaking therapists such as me?

What are my options to start a private practice?


Is there any other way I can work in Netherlands?

Cynic

Hi! I am a registered and licensed clinical psychologist from India, with three Indian degrees. I am looking for job as a psychotherapist/clinical psychologist in Netherlands. I understand that I must get registered at the BIG registry. Can you tell me how long the whole procedure takes? I am also not proficient at Dutch.
Are here any jo oppurtunities for English speaking therapists such as me?
What are my options to start a private practice?
Is there any other way I can work in Netherlands?
-@SAGEAU

Hi and welcome to the Forum.


You already understand the requirement to get your qualifications recognised by BIG and then get registered; these rules apply pretty much across the whole EU; as is the requirement to speak the native language of the country where you wish to practice, in this case, you must learn to speak Dutch to a high standard.


My advice is to join something like LinkedIn and speak to your peers already working in the Netherlands; find out from them how they did it and who may be hiring.


How long does it take; as you don't currently speak Dutch, it may take a while; my advice is to speak to BIG; their contact details are on their website and this link will take you straight to it.


I hope this helps.


Cynic

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