House Purchase

Yes i Will enter on a tourist visa aka 90 day agreement between Australia and Hungary it's not really a visa ita some agreement

SimonTrew wrote:

OK, address card, I'll take it. You can get an address card, as long as you have an address. You need to go to the Immigration and Asylum Office

I got my address card from the local government notary office, not the immigration office.

There will be a reciprocal agreement so that Hungarians can visit Australia. That is usually how it works, it just saves a lot of hassle with people cluttering up Australia House etc when they are going as tourists with no intention to work.

Wiith Commonwealth you would think it would be a bit different if you were to go to the UK, as Commonwealth, but it isn't really. You can vote in our national elections if you want, as a Commonwealth citizen, but apart from that, the immigration rules are pretty much the same whether Commonwealth or not.

klsallee wrote:

SimonTrew wrote:

OK, address card, I'll take it. You can get an address card, as long as you have an address. You need to go to the Immigration and Asylum Office

I got my address card from the local government notary office, not the immigration office.

The first time? I don1t think my local government office which at that time was ithe one in Mende, Pest County would do it, I had to come in to Budapest. But you might be right not saying you're not. I guess since I needed other paperwork, perhaps it was just easier for me to do it all there in one go.

That is a hard one to translate isn't it, local government notary office. I know what you mean. I tend to translate as notary public but yeah, it is not really easily translatable.

SimonTrew wrote:

Well, obviously everyone should follow the rules.

True.

But it does seem to be a national sport here to not follow the rules. Maybe a leftover from communism. Maybe because the bureaucracy is so mind numbingly slow and incompetent. Maybe.... etc.

just sayin'..... 

SimonTrew wrote:

klsallee wrote:

SimonTrew wrote:

OK, address card, I'll take it. You can get an address card, as long as you have an address. You need to go to the Immigration and Asylum Office

I got my address card from the local government notary office, not the immigration office.

The first time?

Yes.

petromaya wrote:

electrical / gas / water could be done dodgily aka nightmare

i always lived on water tanks and not sure how drinkable the water supply is in rural villages

The water is fine in villages, because most are connected to public water systems. And you have to have power, water at least if you have to get a new "living permission" permit. Especially if you renovate.

Gas --- ha-ha. Not every place has gas. I don't. The village has gas, but not on my road. Heat by wood or electricity.

Village home waste water is also now moving away from septic to self contained treatment plants. Also a new requirement if you renovate, especially outside a village in the countryside.

klsallee wrote:

SimonTrew wrote:

Well, obviously everyone should follow the rules.

True.

But it does seem to be a national sport here to not follow the rules. Maybe a leftover from communism. Maybe because the bureaucracy is so mind numbingly slow and incompetent. Maybe.... etc.

just sayin'..... 

I am quite happy to turn a blind eye to pointless rules. What really gets my goat is when rules that are there for a good reason are just completely ignored. I as a pedestrian tend to walk over pedestrian crossings quite a lot. The number of timess I have been nearly smacked by a car just going straight through the bloody thing and then beeping me as if it is somehow my fault to be on the crossing at the same time as his (and it is invariably a he) car. You have big signs, warning you there is a pedestrian crossing, you can SLOW DOWN AND STOP FOR ME while I cross the street.

I had it kinda the other way round the other day, I was waiting for a car to pass, just on my corner here, it is a quite narrow street and the cars park on the pavement so you have to walk out in the road. The driver  didn't indicate or whatever just stopped so I waited. Didn't give me a handwave or whatever, so I think yeah as soon as I step out you are going to run me over.

He wound down his window and called me over and said look, I stopped for you, you have to cross now,. Oh for pete's sake, now I have rather than waiting for you to pass, you could patently see I had given way to let you to pass, now I have to come over to you sitting on your arse in your car, while you wind your window down for you to tell me off for not crossing in front of you.

You just can't win.

One of the rules that is blatantly ignored is drink driving. Theoretically there is a 0% limit on alcohol in Hungary. Yeah, right.

There is a second-hand car lot on the corner, who do quite posh Audis and stuff, import them from Germany, nice family I know them to say hello to, had a beer with the owner in fact. But those beer tins on the street outside are not theirs. I know they are not theirs. All the people who come to view the cars, they have a beer oh let's go and have a look at this posh Audi maybe I buy it for you. and so they have a beer, and where does the beer tin go? On my street. Who picks it up and puts it in my recycle? Me. And I know it is not my beer because they are not the brands of beer that I drink. No,. these are people who have come to view a posh car, and had a tinny on the way, and then with the Hungarian habit just dropped the tin on the street, even though the car lot has a bin right inside the door.

It is a bit annoying to have to pick tins off the street but I get 2Ft for each of them, or give them in sacks to a homeless person. What is bloody annoying is HUNGARIANS DRINK DRIVE ALL THE TIME.

Sorry I thought this was in "Anything Else" forum it is way off topic

For the benefit of othersL Every district and county has local government offices where you do your usual paperwork and sort out any local affairs, Budapest is divided into districts (keruletek) sort of like Paris's arrondissements or whatever, and each has a local government office for the district. You will usually find that these have very restricted opening times so that they can spend time watching porn on YouTube or whatever they do for the rest of the time.

Outside of Budapest, each county is divided into districts and, again, each will have its own local government office. These might be quite a long way from where you are. I was kinda on the border of two districts so some of my stuff got done at Nagykata in Pest megye (county) and some got done at Mende in Pest megye and some got done in Budapest. They will forever be telling you that you are in the wrong office. Don't believe them. Pretend to be a stupid Englishman or American or Australian and eventually they will give in and actually do the bit of paperwork that you came there to do. It does not matter what they ask you to bring, bring everything, because they will ask you for something they didn't ask you for.

Well that is my approach anyway, that I just bring every card and whatever I have so they can't wriggle out of it and say oh you need your health card or whatever it might be that they think you have not got on you. Bring the lot.

Work avoidance in local government is not a peculiarly Hungarian thing, but they have rather perfected it, I think. They could win medals in it.

SimonTrew wrote:

Sorry I thought this was in "Anything Else" forum it is way off topic

It's a bit of a nuisance but you have to cross link manually using the insert link feature.

I did ask a few years ago if they could provide an inter-topic transfer or automatic cross referencing but haven't seen anything done about it.

SimonTrew wrote:

klsallee wrote:

SimonTrew wrote:

OK, address card, I'll take it. You can get an address card, as long as you have an address. You need to go to the Immigration and Asylum Office

I got my address card from the local government notary office, not the immigration office.

The first time? I don1t think my local government office which at that time was ithe one in Mende, Pest County would do it, I had to come in to Budapest. But you might be right not saying you're not. I guess since I needed other paperwork, perhaps it was just easier for me to do it all there in one go.

That is a hard one to translate isn't it, local government notary office. I know what you mean. I tend to translate as notary public but yeah, it is not really easily translatable.

The word you want is "okmányiroda" which is essentially "Official Document Office".

It's not a notary office which is something different. Having been in several doing paperwork like registering contracts, I still don't know really what they do.  Seems surprisingly pointless and utterly unnecessary in many circumstances.  Some of their function is so trivial, it could be done free with a rubber stamp by a civil servant.

petromaya wrote:

Yes i Will enter on a tourist visa aka 90 day agreement between Australia and Hungary it's not really a visa ita some agreement

Why not organise things to minimise your risk and costs? Best to get your ducks lined up as much as possible. Easiest thing is to just get your HU passport sorted and then you won't have any visa expiry issues.

Like I said, if you want to buy a place you need special permission (no doubt in writing with multiple rubber stamps) from the local government if you are not able to prove you are a citizen of HU or the EU.

I should also say that - as far as I remember -  if you want to buy certain types of land (like agricultural) then you also need more permissions if you are not able to prove your rights.  I would expect in the current political climate, trying to buy farmland would have a greater chance of rejection.

Anyway, it's up to you to decide.

Indeed fluffy I like to minimise risk too.

To me, to come over with all that stuff already organised then decide it is not for you, that is just throwing all your eggs in one basket.

To come over on a tourist visa, have a look, go back, decide what you want to do, that seems more sensible.

Indeed it is for others to decide and we have the advantage that (for now) we are EU and they kinda can't refuse us though we have to push bloody hard even so. Were it me, I would come over on a tourist visa, have a gander, see what Hungary is like not what the Internet says it is like, decide if you actually do want to live here, go back, consider, then start the process.

But each to their own, fluffster. I burned my bridges when I came here so I really cannot argue against it. You just have to be really sure you want to do it. If you want to do it, then do it.

it all makes sense my dad brought me up to make sure you have all your paperwork in order so when they hit you with give me 1000 documents you have them all + more to over satisfy

fluffy2560 wrote:

[Some of their function is so trivial, it could be done free with a rubber stamp by a civil servant.

Or if you are in Hungary, an uncivil servant.

SimonTrew wrote:

fluffy2560 wrote:

[Some of their function is so trivial, it could be done free with a rubber stamp by a civil servant.

Or if you are in Hungary, an uncivil servant.

I dunno, most of them are just trying to get by like the rest of us.   

There are however some who just revel in the power and don't mind you knowing they've got the upper hand.

see that is not fair really come on you make more friends with honey then vinegar well unless they cant be bothered working unless they are underpaid and dont care

petromaya wrote:

it all makes sense my dad brought me up to make sure you have all your paperwork in order so when they hit you with give me 1000 documents you have them all + more to over satisfy

Your Dad was a wise man.

Here, you always have to think critical path, have a plan B, C, D and E, what happens in different scenarios and have oodles and oodles of patience.

It's just risk management.

petromaya wrote:

see that is not fair really come on you make more friends with honey then vinegar well unless they cant be bothered working unless they are underpaid and dont care

They care more if you are somehow related or have some connection to them, i.e. a friend of a friend.

Smooth talking and a charm offensive helps but that link or connection gets the cogs moving and greased more.

As others say, "...you need to know a guy...."