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Regarding naturalization for people with a Brazilian Child

germanbrickhouse
#41
The confirmation of immatriculation from my embassy confirming the names of my parents, can I use the same document for the permanency process and then later again for naturalisation, or would it be considered expired for the latter?
James
#42
Probably it would be considered outdated by the time you eventually apply for naturalization, but since you apply for naturalization through the Federal Police ask them if a "cópia autenticada" of the inscrisão consular you use for permanency can later be used for naturalization.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#43
I just saw that this document is actually not listed as a requirement for the permanency process.
allwish
#44
Hi,

This's my first use of this amazing site,

I have read many posts here and i would like to start by thanking the people who created this and the people who sharing their experience here, Thank you very much.

My question is directly related to the topic of this post, My permanent residence's approved now and i still here in Brazil with my family and my new Brazilian daughter :)

What i know is, I can apply for naturalization a year after getting the permanent residence, should i be here during this year?

I have some business outside Brazil, What happens if i left Brazil for sometime? Does that affect the process of naturalization? , If yes, How long is the permitted time to leave during my next year?

Any pros & cons related to the naturalization process?

And my last tricky question, do they calculate the period i spent here in Brazil before getting the permanent residence?
James
#45
Hello allwish,

You are required to report the details of all of your absences from Brazil when you apply for Ordinary Naturalization. While you are clearly permitted to leave Brazil once you obtain permanency, I would not be absent for periods longer than 90 days during your waiting period before naturalization. That certainly could cause them to tell you to wait longer.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#46
Hello allwish, congratulations! Since you just went through the permanent residence process I wanted to ask you whether the Federal Police asked you for a confirmation of registration at your embassy/consulate, a document which confirms your name as well as the names of your parents. Apparently, this „Inscrição Consular“ is required for the naturalization process but it is not specifically mentioned for the permanent residence.
You may leave Brazil now (for up to two years without losing permanent residence) but when you apply for naturalization you will have to provide a declaration of absence from Brazil, specifying dates exits and arrivals in the country, with their destinations and motives. It was said that any absence longer than 90 days during the one-year waiting period could delay the application process.
Where did you have your permanency application processed and how long did it take?
germanbrickhouse
#47
What actually is the PURPOSE of the "Inscrição Consular"? Is it a) to verify my name and the names of my parents, or b) to confirm registration with my embassy/consulate in Brazil?
allwish
#48
Thanks James, I would appreciate if  you can help me to find some official government references talking about the naturalization process and conditions.


Thanks germanbrickhouse, One day after applying they called me asking for "Inscrição Consular" for my wife, The reason was, her father's name contains short name like BN. they don't accept short names so they've asked for a paper from our embassy saying that my wife's name is "" her mother's name is "" and her father's name is "*BN*" and "BN" can be used as a shortcut to "....".

They also asked for "Inscrição Consular" for my daughters before applying. It's just like extra verification and could be used instead of ID or "Birth Certificate" for foreign people.

I have submitted all forms on  11 Nov 2015 and the approval from Brasilia granted on 24 Nov 2015.

But until today, it didn't arrive to Sao Paulo, They expect it next week here in Sao Paulo.

Regards,
germanbrickhouse
#49
So, what they really want is proof of correct spelling of all names? This could be certified by the embassy with a simple document, without issuing an "Inscrição Consular" which requires, and in fact is, the registration of an alien at their representation in Brazil. You don't have to be registered at your embassy neither for the permanency nor for the naturalisation process, is this correct??
James
#50
Hello allwish,

Check the Ministério da Justiça website for information regarding naturalization.

http://www.justica.gov.br/seus-direitos … acao-comum

Hello germanbrickhouse,

You may want to check it out too, No. 3 on the list of documents required is a Certificate or Consular Inscription from the applicant's diplomatic representation in Brazil proving the correct spelling of the applicant's name and those of his parents.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#51
Do they ask randomly for the Certificate or Consular Inscription for the permanency process since it is only specifically mentioned for the naturalisation process?
James
#52

germanbrickhouse wrote:

Do they ask randomly for the Certificate or Consular Inscription for the permanency process since it is only specifically mentioned for the naturalisation process?


No, they also ask for the Inscrição Consular at the Cartório in many Brazilian states to go through the marriage process, but it is definitely required for the naturalization process.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#53
Ok for marriage it makes more sense but for the permanency based on a Brazilian child?
James
#54
While the Inscrição Consular is not on the list, the Cartório may ask for it. You must know already that they're absolutely obsessed with names here and the absolutely correct spelling of them. They may want it for proof ot the spelling of your name and your parents's names that will go on the Birth Certificate. I'm not sure if the Federal Police will ask for it, but don't forget at the bottom of all of their lists the always include the catch phrase "and any other documents that shall be required."

Cheers,
James
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allwish
#55
Thanks James,

I have downloaded the whole law and will translate it soon, Here it's for your ref:

http://presrepublica.jusbrasil.com.br/l … print=true

Thanks for helping,

Have a nice day!
James
#56
You'll need to send me the link by private message. New members can't post outside links to the forum, they're automatically blocked.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#57
The link on the pf.gov.br site for the application Pedido de permanência com base em prole brasileira leads to a form Registro Nacional de Estrangeiro. Is this the actual application to complete for the permanency process?
James
#58
It is the ONLINE version of the application for permanency. When you actually get to the Federal Police they will give you the paper form to fill out there. Just make sure that ALL of the information is exactly the same as what you submitted online.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#59
James, for the cartório registering the child's birth, can't I just use my own birth certificate, as it shows both full names of my parents? Or do they insist on the Inscrição Consular?
Allwish, did you try this?
James
#60
It will depend on the specific Cartório, and there is no way to predict what they'll say.

For example, while federal law regarding marriage lists several document that can be used to verify names of the foreign spouse's parents' complete names, and only one of those documents is necessary, they insist on having them all including the Inscrição Consular.

You must remember that this is Brazil and Cartórios act like a world all unto themselves, and make up their own rules as they go along.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#61

James wrote:

It is the ONLINE version of the application for permanency. When you actually get to the Federal Police they will give you the paper form to fill out there. Just make sure that ALL of the information is exactly the same as what you submitted online.

Cheers,
James
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First, I submit the online application. Then how do I schedule the visit at the Federal Police? How long does it normally take to get an appointment? Then I fill out out a hard copy of the online application during the visit?

James
#62
If you follow the steps in the DPF website, scheduling the appointment is part of the process. There is no way of predicting when that appointment may be, it depends solely on how busy the particular delegacy is. In larger cities like São Paulo and Rio it may be several weeks away. In smaller cities there may not even be appointments made online, in which case you simply print off everything and go there at your convenience. Yes, they'll give you a paper form to fill in when you get there.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#63
The application for permanency requires my complete passport, notarised, and also the passport from the other parent, notarised. Is it enough, for my application, to submit only the photo page of my wife's passport or does it have to be complete? Obviously, they will receive her complete passport with her application.
James
#64
Your application for permanency require only a certified copy of YOUR passport (all pages, even blank ones) although the FP will probably just toss the blank ones or return them to you, the law requires all pages.

If you are applying for permanency based on a child then you only need provide a certified copy of your Brazilian partner's Carteira de Identidade, the child's Birth Certificate and the declaration that the child lives in your custody and is financially supported by you. If the child's mother is not Brazilian then yes, her passport would also be required.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#65
I'm applying for permanency based on a child and the mother is not Brazilian. I meant whether ALL PAGES from her passport had to be submitted with MY application.
James
#66
No, her passport has nothing to do with her application. You only need your documents and the Birth Certificate registering the Brazilian born child in your name.

The mother will need to make a separate application for permanency, and will need to submit all the same documents as you do. The applications can be submitted at the same time, but are still separate.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#67

James wrote:

It is the ONLINE version of the application for permanency. When you actually get to the Federal Police they will give you the paper form to fill out there. Just make sure that ALL of the information is exactly the same as what you submitted online.


The third sub page 'Endereço Residencial' asks for phone numbers. The fields allow for a city code (11) and an 8-digit phone number. My cell phone number has 9 digits.

James
#68
Yes, don't worry about the first 9, that has been added to ALL cellular telephones where the 9th digit has gone into effect (soon in the whole country). The Federal Police are well aware of that, if you simply omit the first 9 they'll add it if they need to phone you.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#69

James wrote:

Yes, don't worry about the first 9, that has been added to ALL cellular telephones where the 9th digit has gone into effect (soon in the whole country). The Federal Police are well aware of that, if you simply omit the first 9 they'll add it if they need to phone you.


The home phone is compulsory but I don't have one. The cell phone is optional which I have. Should I put the cell phone inside the home phone blanks? Is it gonna be an issue that I don't have a home phone?

James
#70
Yes, because if you leave the field blank the form will not submit. You should repeat the SAME number in the (optional) cellular number field and they'll be able to figure out exactly what that means. Hardly anyone in Brazil has a fixed phone at home so they're very used to this.

Cheers,
James
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sakraan
#71
Hi!
Today, it was said by an imigrant that a foreigner married with a brazilain can apply for naturalization after 8 months of his/her marriage. Is it right?
James
#72
Wrong...

The legislation for Ordinary Naturalization provides for a waiting period of ONE YEAR from the date of permanency being granted in the case of an expat who has applied based on marriage to a Brazilian citizen, or who has a Brazilian child.

If however, the foreigner already had permanency BEFORE the marriage, that would be ONE YEAR from the date of the marriage since the basis for reduced waiting period for  naturalization is not retroactive (i.e. does not go back before the marriage took place).

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#73
I submitted the online application Pedido de permanência. As I did it in two sessions online, the city, which has to be chosen from a scroll down list, changed to the first one and I did not notice the mistake until after I submitted the form. So, the residential address has the wrong city, but everything else is correct including CEP. Is there a way to correct the mistake? Or should I submit a new one?
germanbrickhouse
#74
Generation of GRU payments, which Unidade Arrecadadora to choose? Is it superintendencia regional no estado de Sao Paulo if I live in the city of Sao Paulo?

Where is the location of FP? Is it (1) Departamento de Polícia Federal - Superintendência Regional SP - Rua Hugo Dantola, 95 - Lapa de Baixo, São Paulo - SP, 05038-090 OR (2) Polícia Federal - Rua Domingos Agostim, 91, Tatuape, São Paulo - SP, 03306-010
James
#75
Yes, Superintendência Regional de São Paulo is the receiver and they are located in Lapa, right at the foot of the Ponte do Piqueri. You really can't miss it.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#76
I submitted the online application Pedido de permanência. As I did it in two sessions online, the city, which has to be chosen from a scroll down list, changed to the first one and I did not notice the mistake until after I submitted the form. So, the residential address has the wrong city, but everything else is correct including CEP. Is there a way to correct the mistake? Or should I submit a new one?
James
#77
Since everything you do will depend on the printout from the DPF website I would strongly recommend that you submit a new application online, make sure everything is absolutely correct before you submit it. Toss all the paperwork for the first attempt including the GRUs (unless you've already paid them) and do everything from scratch.

Cheers,
James
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germanbrickhouse
#78
While scheduling the appointment with FP the following came up:
ATENÇÃO:
              Observe o disposto no Art. 30 da Lei 6815/80 - Estatuto do Estrangeiro: "O estrangeiro admitido na condição de permanente, de temporário (incisos I e de IV a VI do art. 13) ou de asilado é obrigado a registrar-se no Ministério da Justiça, dentro dos trinta dias seguintes à entrada ou à concessão do asilo, e a identificar-se pelo sistema datiloscópico
It is not clear to me what it means for me. I entered on a 90-day tourist visa and permanency should be granted within this time. Do I then have to register with the Ministry of Justice in a separate process?
James
#79
The Federal Police is part of the Ministry of Justice. The section does not apply to you, you entered as a tourist and are now applying for permanency.

This section means that anyone entering with a VIPER Permanent Visa or some form of VITEM Temporary Visa or as a refugee must register within 30 day.

Cheers,
James
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Berri Rouge
#80
Hi James how are you. Hope you fine and enjoying good health.

Next week as parents of a Brazilian child, I will deposit all required and necessary documents to police federal for permanent residency of me and my wife.

Now my question is that; after obtaining the RNE and CIE cards, in how many months we will be eligible to obtain Brazilian citizenship and during the process after RNE and CIE total how many months we can stay out of Brazil.

In the meantime I would like to confirm that; which documents I will need to provide police federal for our permanent residency as parents of a Brazilian child. I already obtain my daughters Brazilian birth certificate, Brazilian Passport and CPF for me and my wife.

Thanks

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