Finding a job in Germany
But, as you already mentioned, one thing might be your lack or practical work experience. Maybe you can combine the field you worked in before with the subject you studied to overcome this?
The second is of course your language level. After four years of living here, and having a German kid and (I assume) partner, you are expected to be better than B1. I recommend you reach C1 or higher to maximize your job chances.
Also, have your CVs and cover letters checked by an experienced friend or professional - preferably a native speaker.
And, last not least: Since you got a few rejections after being asked for salary expectation (which in Germany means you are already shortlisted), you may have to adjust them or, even better, not mention any.
First of all Beppi thanks for sharing your experience with other members and I would like to share my own personal experience, full disclaimer : this is my personal experience with respect to my field of work and the region I am searching in (Stuttgart)
First of all I'm from Australia, I have over 10 years of experience in senior technical and analytical roles and have considerable experience with SQL, Python and JavaScript in both front and back end environments.
I've also got an MBA majoring in technology from a university that consistently ranks above the best MBA currently in Germany (Mannheim). I passed my German B1 a few months ago (this took about 6 months Mon-Thu). I passed with 94% (sehr gut) and have excellent references (Arbeitszeugnisse) albeit in English from my previous employers.
Much like what Beppi was alluding to, I think it is extremely naive to think you can just waltz into Germany and expect to find work. You should be totally realistic about expectations and do extensive research into the German market particular regarding their minor differences in Resume layout and documentation requirements (documentation is very important in Germany). Fortunately hailing from another rule heavy country I had some training
:You can speak English? So what? Germans are excellent at speaking English and besides some niche roles (teaching, international stakeholder management usw.) where native level is required, don't bank on this being some sort of tangible advantage. Most Europeans can speak at least 3 different languages and it's more likely that Germany is trading with one of these countries.
If you don't have some sort of formalised work agreement before coming here I would advise against burning your JSV time and get yourself to level B1 minimum. B2/C1 if you actually want a decent paying role.
Communication is paramount and without the appropriate language skills, you're more likely to be a liability than an asset to an organisation. Be realistic and don't be afraid to have a good ol' slice of humble pie and have a hard look at your profile through the eyes of a recruiter, if you're lacking in German, experience or education it might be worthwhile to work on these areas.
Oh and the German you learn in a classroom maybe "sterilised", there are a wide array of dialects and accents and what you learn in the classroom, won't necessarily be reflected to on the street.
. I am on my journey to B2 - C2 and I wish you all the best of luck in your own personal journey.
I just wast to share quick my personal experience with job seek as a èxpat`in Germany.
So, I was mostly listening to many stories back in my country (Croatia) how you find job in 3 days, but you need to struggle to find a place to stay.
Well, all I can say- my reality was pretty different though.
As finally finished my studies (Master in Information technology) and did a praxis in Croatia, I decided to test my luck and capabilities outside. As I am speaking English and German (not that good as English, but still handled good on a communication level) and I have a family/place to stay at first in Germany, my choice was definitely to go there.
Fully optimistic while heard such promising stories, my definitive option was this promiseLand Germany.
So, I started sending my CV and of course, Cover letter (which is mostly obligatory) which I was writing on German and English as well.
The biggest failure that I've made was ignoring my professional background A.K.A. Field of study and sending my CV in the wrong field of market/companies and positions which obviously require more expertise from the candidates. As I am much into photography and Arts (but not having much professional experience), I was trying to get to the creative companies on the positions like junior Creative director and Photographer. I even got two answers where they wanted to hear more from me. But, after acknowledging that I don't have portfolio and that professional camera (which they require), they didn't recruit me, of course. My ``creativity``and motivation to do this kind of work were not helpful for me at all.
So, after getting only rejecting answers or answers like ``Thank you for your interest for working for us, we will get back to you.``(and not answering anymore) I have decided to try my chance in IT industry (but I was honestly not sure where to apply as I am not a programmer/engineer, but Information technology/Informatics in theory expert).
It took me 4 months to find a first real job (not counting `Aushilfe``jobs which are not my profession). I've got the job in IT (Technical support) with which I am more than happy, especially because I've got to the one of the biggest companies worldwide in this field, and I didn't even know it. I've also got my apartment (which is pretty tough here in Hamburg; they are really expensive and hard to get).
However, my seek for a job was a hell-of- the- ride one and whoever tells you that finding a job in Germany is a piece of cake- he either works as a bartender, household help or he lies to you good.
So, I would suggest to all the newcomers- be good informed before making a decision to move abroad. Know your field of study, work on your CV and show what you know/interests you. World is one big competition and if you are not keeping on track, no one will wait for you or ask you why you stopped.
Good luck!
Thank you sharing your experience. very informative
I am also searching a job in Germany in warehouse. But I cant speak German language fluently.
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Anyone know how easy it would be for me to get a cleaning/maid job? Would i need to speak much German?
Maybe you can utilize the time until then by working on your other big handicap and learn as much German as possible.
That said, cleaning is a mostly informal profession (and badly paid - count yourself lucky if you get the legal minimum wage!). Your best bet for formal, full-time employment is with office cleaning service providers.
The best jobs webpage is Stepstone. Informal engagements are often on Quoka or Ebay Kleinanzeigen.
Please keep in mind that, even if you are allowed to work, university courses are designed to be full-time and it is not possible to earn your full living expenses besides that.
if any one knows what are the minimum wages to get normal work permit post it .
And of course you need to learn German to live and work here.
Sorry that you were disappointed, but this is well known and should not have surprised you!
The refugees are mostly not well educated (hardly any with university degree) and they don't speak German, so they are not a big competition.
I have seen no statiscics about how many JSV holders succeed, but nobody has ever guaranteed you that a job comes with the visa and everywhere says you need to do your own reserach and take your own risk. I personally don't think the JSV is worth it - not because of the risk, but because well-educated and sought-after people can apply from abroad and don't need a JSV.
If you need some advises for a Job here is a cool guide for expats
hellogetsafe.com/en-de/posts/relocating-to-germany
"More and more companies offer jobs to English-speaking people because many recruiting processes are handled in English due to the globalization. You can look for job postings on websites like Stepstone, Monster, and Indeed as well as the well-known business social networks such as Xing and LinkedIn."
My private life or more love to one German guy is forcing me to move to Germany. I never planned it and my German language is really poor. I know that in my profession it is impossible without fluent or close to fluent German. We are considering to look for any job just to move and start learning german in Leipzig. Question is if I will start with much much lower position if it will be possible to go back to my previous experience? I really don't want to lose what I was working for last 10years. Thank you for advise.
But since career breaks are common (e.g. for child care or sabbatical), maybe you could onsider focussing on German language learning first until you have achieved the level you need to enter your profession again?
Elida1234 wrote:I'm currently team leader of customer contact and master planner in automotive factory.
Such jobs exist in Germany since there is a lot of car manufacturing but getting a position without first learning pretty fluent German is unlikely.
Elida1234 wrote:This I'm unfortunately aware so I was considering to find really any job in Leipzig where language is not so important and sign in for German course already there to speed up the learning by being forced to use it as well in daily basis(normal informal situations) but I am really affraid that if I'll do like that I will not be able to get back to master planner position after learning the language because of the job what I would have at start. I don't want to risk such situation so probably will end up on intensifying courses I have here to be able to increase my chances in my carrier's path. Thank You for help.
Well, I would take it one step at a time and concentrate on the language first. I don’t think that taking another type of job in the meantime is necessarily bad. You just might have to give a short explanation why. And it shouldn’t be judged badly that one was working on their language skills. Some people might suggest one try to get a job without the language skills needed as if failure has no consequences. But first impressions make a big difference. Applying for a job and getting turned down for some obvious lack of qualifications might mean you never get another chance at that particular company. You might then end up on a list of rejected candidates and when you later try to re-apply they might not give you an interview.
frombombay wrote:Cant believe,Job seekers visa is given to IT or other specialist occupation in demand ,how can bartender get jsv to come to germany and work in this profession,not 1 or 2 there are hundreds of successful people who came on Job seekers visa,work hard applying for positions improving and found job with in jsv period,again it luck but with some ones example of being successful or struggling not good to generalise ,every one has its own profile
Sorry but your English is so bad that it is hard to understand what you mean. And why should you doubt that IT or other special skills will mean one gets a job seeker visa?! Those are exactly the ones that get it. Sorry but Germany has no need of bartenders so one will NOT likely get a job seekers visa for it. But yes, some of the people who qualify for a job seeker visa find a job – the more highly skilled the more likely this is a correct generalization. Another one is that ones with lousy English and little German will not likely find a job. Those are the facts!
frombombay wrote:No its not true,cannot generalise from some people experiences,as i told you before not 1 or 2 there are hundreds of people i seen recently who got job after coming on job seekers visa in germany with very little or even no knowledge of germany,offcourse not all can be lucky so one takes risk leaving existing job,time,money ,efforts,one has to calculate risk and in situation to face this challenges and backout plan also required if not successful
Again, your English is so bad that it is hard to guess what you mean. But you are delusional if you think people are going to get a job seekers visa from India and then get a job bartending in Germany. One has to have high level skills to even get the job seeker visa and bartending is not one of them. And yes, there are some exceptions where say IT people might get a job without good German language skills but the point is that they will have MUCH more chance if they do speak German. And if such a person doesn’t even speak English well, and little to no German, then they are going to find it nearly impossible. This is not an over generalization whether you want to believe it or not.
juan plazas wrote:I am Colombian, Professional in International Business Management, fluent in English, native Spanish speaker and I currently have German classes A2 in the Goethe Institut, I currently live in Colombia, I have previous experience of a little more than a year working for Toyota as Intern and some other short projects. How are my chances to find a job in Germany from abroad? which is the better way to do it?, how can I apply and where?
I guess you need to first define what jobs you are actually looking for. In most but not all business management settings, as opposed to working on a assembly line, one would probably need a B2 or C1 German level. These are much more advanced than an A2 level. If you are say a renowned professor then maybe you might find an academic position say at a University as a guest professor where they might be interested in someone using English or even Spanish. I would use Google to research which educational institutions might be suitable. Otherwise, there are a number of websites for job offers like Indeed.de, jobware.de, monster.de and one might find jobs where other languages are OK although one more often sees this for IT and high tech.
From your short post I cannot tell what kind of roles that would be, but you can maybe find out by doing some of your own research.
Also, a job search is probably easier if you are already in the country. So you may want to consider coming here on a job seeker visa, or attend a language class on student visa first.
Good luck!
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