CPF, UF, and activating a SIM card

Last week I bought a TIM SIM card to replace my VIVO, at least here in Bahia it seems to be better. I'm not lying if I'm saying that it took me literally HOURS. Actually it was so bad that I thought there was a problem with this particular SIM and bought a second one, but it didn't change anything, it also took me hours. Which brings me to the Why??

Well, you need to give your CPF and scan your ID, plus take a selfie, to activate a TIM line. Unfortunately, unlike VIVO, TIM doesn't accept the ID I got as a retirement visa holder (CRNM?), but fortunately they have an alternative procedure, where you have to answer a number of questions. One of these questions is: What is the UF of your CPF? After a bit of surfing, I found out that the UF is supposed to be the place where you got your CPF, which is Bahia in my case. But every time, once I was through with the questions, I got an error about erroneous data, and I was 100% sure about everything except this UF, so after a number of tries, I had to dig a little deeper. It turns out that on one of the numbers on my CRNM card, the last two digits correspond to my UF. There's a list that was extremely easy to find, so I'm not gonna post the link, but in my case the digits were/are 01, which is Mato de Grosso Sul (MS). And lo and behold, by using MS instead of BA, the activation went through like a charm, for both SIM cards. It takes about 2 hours until the number and data line gets activated, but you don't have to do anything else, other than maybe restarting the phone (or just put it in Airplane mode for a minute or two).


Does anybody have an explanation why my UF isn't Bahia? Is MS/01 the default for all foreigners? Or is it an error that I should fix by going to the Federal Police?


  01/22/24 Does anybody have an explanation why my UF isn't Bahia? Is MS/01 the default for all foreigners? Or is it an error that I should fix by going to the Federal Police?         -@Kurterino


How strange!  This was new information for me.  For those who want to check their own, you can find the table here, among many other places:


https://gkscanonline.wordpress.com/2020 … -o-estado/


The most bizarre thing is that unless the number is issued in Rio Grande do Sul, São Paulo, or Minas Gerais, the indicator digit only refers to a region, not an individual state at all.


Mine shows the correct number, probably because I got it by walking into the Receita Federal office in Manaus.


My guess would be that CPFs obtained online -- and maybe through the Post Office and diplomatic missions abroad as well -- probably default to "01", which is the number not just for Mato Grosso do Sul, but much more significantly, for the Federal District as well.  You can try to change it, but I expect that the answer will be that the number is perfectly valid, so there's no reason to issue a new one.


Fun fact:  US Social Security numbers originally included a state identifier (mine does), but that practice was abandoned decades ago for new numbers, on the grounds that it didn't serve any practical purpose.  I'm surprised that the CPF system here is still doing it.

@abthree

Interesting! Mine works for PE as well...


      01/22/24 Does anybody have an explanation why my UF isn't Bahia? Is MS/01 the default for all foreigners? Or is it an error that I should fix by going to the Federal Police?         -@Kurterino

https://gkscanonline.wordpress.com/2020 … -o-estado/


Mine shows the correct number, probably because I got it by walking into the Receita Federal office in Manaus.

My guess would be that CPFs obtained online -- and maybe through the Post Office and diplomatic missions abroad as well -- probably default to "01", which is the number not just for Mato Grosso do Sul, but much more significantly, for the Federal District as well.  You can try to change it, but I expect that the answer will be that the number is perfectly valid, so there's no reason to issue a new one.

   

    -@abthree


That would be a good explanation/reason, but I obtained mine the same way you did: by walking into a PF building near Salvador/BA.  However mine was obtained only about 12-18 months ago, during/just after the pandemic , so maybe they have changed the rules about that it in the meantime, and every foreigner now gets a 01?

I had issues activating with TIM, even using the correct information. I kept getting a message about erroneous data and had to speak with an agent at TIM to activate. The story didn't end there; seems there was an automatic process rechecking data, deactivating the line after a few days. This happened two times until I spoke with an agent who resolved the issue. It appears the problem was related to my CPF being recently issued. They replaced my name in the system with this text: "DADOS EM ENRIQUECIMENTO" - strange but still works.

@abthree


I checked mine and my wifes CPF. They match up. By the way, Social Security cards use a similar scheme except its the first three digits that indicate the region where issued.


01/25/24   @abthree Social Security cards use a similar scheme except its the first three digits that indicate the region where issued.
   

    -@bepmoht


They used to.  Since 2011, all new numbers have been random, without geographic designators.

Yeah I didn't need to do a selfie for my tim line. Just cpf address and my line worked out of the box