S'expatrier au Canada ? Bonne idée !!

Bon, il faut un peu nuancer tout ça...

L'Alberta a une croissance monstre, c'est un fait. La province est tellement riche que la TVA locale n'existe pas. On n'y paye que la TVA fédérale.

En fait, la richesse de l'Alberta s'appuie sur le pétrole. L'Alberta, c'est le Texas canadien. Autant en ce qui concerne l'exploitation du pétrole que pour les mentalités, d'ailleurs (c'est la province la plus conservatrice du pays).

L'histoire, c'est que le sol albertain regorge de pétrole. Ces fameux sables bitumineux,qu'il faut traiter pour en extraire du pétrole. cez n'était pas rentable quand le pétrole était peu coûteux. Aujourd'hui, on estime que les réserves canadiennes sont aussi importantes que celles de l'Arabie saoudite.
Bon, mais si le cours du brut rebaisse, ça va devenir tout de suite moins rentable.

Ensuite, le raisonnement canadien est simple: plus on accueille d'immigrants, plus on sera nombreux pour payer des impôts et des assurances sociales. Donc, Laurent, ne pense pas échapper aux impôts en venant au Canada. Au moins les impôts fédéraux.

Sinon, c'est certain que le pays est en croissance, a une inflation maitrisée, fait des excédents, est assez bien géré... et est un des pays les plus libéraux au monde, pour les moeurs et l'ouverture d'esprit (enfin, en Alberta...)

Je ne connais pas encore les provinces de l'ouest, mais je me suis promis de traverser tout le pays quand j'aurai obtenu la citoyenneté canadienne.

L'article est équilibré: il y a des problèmes d'intégration à cause de la non reconnaissance de certains diplomes.
Les ingénieurs qui vendent des pizzas et les médecins taxis, ce n'est pas un mythe.

Je suis d'accord aussi avec le multiculturalisme à la canadienne (et québécoise). Je le vis tous les jours. On est différents, on vient de pays différents, nos cultures souches et nos modes de vie, même, sont différents, mais on est bien ensemble, dans une société ouverte et tolérante.

Au Canada, pas de défilé militaire les 1er juillet, mais des cortèges des communautés.. j'aime bien.

-> Voir mon article là dessus...

... non je te rassure je ne veux pas venir au Canada pour échaper aux impots ... mais s'ils ont besoin de bcp de main d'oeuvre et de la main d'oeuvre qualifiée ... cela facilite nettement les choses pour y aller ... c'est tout ce que je dis !!

... De toute façon, je n'irai pas en Alberta ... si je vais dans l'ouest du canada je choisirai Vancouver ... enfin si possible

Vancouver a l'air d'être une ville géniale!
D'ailleurs, c'est là-bas qu'auront lieu les JO d'hiver 2010.

je suis dans les temps pour y arriver en meme temps !!! LOL

Pour celles et ceux qui sont intéressés par le Canada, et qui aimeraient y vivre, Olivier a rédigé un excellent article sur l'émigration au Québec: Partir vivre au Québec

Olivi€r , peux tu me dire des choses sur la reconnaisance des diplomes en médecine?
Est ce que c'est reconnu facilement.

Ah mon avis rien ne vaut une recherche sur Google

Essaie ça: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=fr&q=rec … ogle&meta=

Le premier résultat (un document pdf) contient pas mal d'infos qui t'interesseront

Merci enormement ( j'aurais mieux fait de chercher un peu ).

Hey, I'm not sure if my post is completely relevant - my French is horrible, but I know at least some of you have also posted in English, so you can tell if what I say is relevant or not. I thought it might be useful to post something, though, because you're talking about my home town!

I lived in Alberta for the first 25 years of my life. I grew up in small town Alberta. Probably the most conservative part of the country. My last seven years there I lived in Calgary while going to school, and I saw an incredible amount of growth in the city. I'm sure there's no where else in Canada that's seen that kind of growth. (Sorry if I'm just reiterating a lot of things that were said above, like I said, my French is horrible and I'm not sure if I completely understood what was said in the above posts.)

Alberta is very redneck, despite the growing amount of multiculturalism that has resulted from the recent immigration boom. Calgary has a strong Chinese population and a strong Indian population and not a lot else as far as extensive multicultural communities. (Actually, the Chinese and Indian communities don't add much to multiculturalism because they're pretty sheltered). The small communties in Alberta often have strong ethnic backgrounds, from places like Germany or the Ukraine - but these go back so far and typically come from religious groups that immigrated generations ago - they don't really have ties to Europe anymore.

And as far as languages go (being a linguist, I need to comment on this) people in Alberta typically think that everyone in the world should speak English - and if you speak another langauge, it better not be French! (There's a lot of animosity towards Quebec.) Actually, not everyone thinks like this, but sadly, a lot of people do. Growing up in a small town, despite the fact that Canada is legally a bilingual country, I didn't even get the opportunity to study French until grade ten!

And yes, the major reason for the boom is the oil. As has already been said, Alberta is the Texas of Canada. But another reason for the boom is the government's policies just before the oil prices went sky high. The premeir basically took a whole bunch of money out of health and education (basically screwed up both systems) to pay down the debt, and then got lucky when oil prices went up, so they had big surpluses, no debt and people loved them. Plus they started handing out money to everyone in the province (to make up for the high gas prices) and cutting taxes like crazy. People were happy. They voted for them again. The funny thing is, for a long time, Alberta had the lowest minimum wage in the country (I'm not sure if they still do.)

Despite all of this, when I compare life in Alberta to life here in Melbourne (the most multicultural city in Australia) I feel like people here much more prejudiced and much less tolerant of other cultures. When I heard about the riots in Brisbane (or was it Sydney - I was in Papua New Guinea at the time) I wasn't surprised. Despite the redneck attitude in Alberta, I still feel like if I was from another country, I'd rather live in Alberta than anywhere in Australia if I was concerned about intolerance. But maybe that's just me. I am a foreigner living in Australia, and I wasn't in Canada.

As far as Vancouver goes - it's much more tolerant than Alberta. Alberta and BC are worlds apart. But Vancouver's government has been trying to follow in the footsteps of Alberta's for the past few years, without the oil to back them up. As far as I understand, their economy has really suffered (I know their health care and education systems have). I'm not really up to date at the moment, but I don't know if Vancouver is the ideal place to move right now. People are still moving from BC to Alberta. But it is beautiful country. And warmer than Calgary.

Anyways, I hope what I wrote is somewhat useful. Sorry it's so long.

Sheena, don't feel sorry because your post is long! We like lost posts here  

Your post is absolutely relevant, thanks a lot for your participation!

You are right at your place sheena !! And long posts are always better than a "Yup, that is true!!"

Whatever, it is interesting to have the point of view of a Canadian born people and especially, you from Alberta for this post...

By the way, I have another question for you ... that is in this post https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=430&p=1
Sorry, it is written in french too... and it is vey long, ... but the problem asked in this post is the following one: someone found on a forum that french people suffered a lot of racism in Canada and in Quebec. What do you think about ? Could you tell us your point of view in the post over there ....  Because to my point of view, Canada is enough multicultural to not have particular problems with racism (even if there are dumb people everywhere).... Thanks a lot if you can do that

Julien and loloieg - thanks, I'm glad my post was relevant.

loloieg, I'd be happy to respond to that post, but it's a topic that takes a bit more thought (harder to answer) and I'll try and read a bit of what's already been said. (Which will take a while.) Give me a day or two and I'll put something up!

We have all the time we want

Sheena, big thanks for this very interesting post!
Here, on the Eastern part of Canada, we don't know much about the people and the western provinces.

You're talking about an animosity towards Quebec.
Why?

I personnaly think it's sad that people can't learn french in the western part of the country. As sad as some french speaking Québécois who refuse to learn 'the language of the occupant". :-(

Je suis arrivee a Vancouver il y a qqs semaines, en PVT, et je suis deja fan. La ville est magnifique, entre mer et montagne... J'habite en coloc dans le centre, le soir, je vais courir au bord de la mer, a 5 mn de chez moi, le we c'est rollers au stanley Park etc etc. Des photos ici pour ceux qui auraient encore un doute hellovancouver.canalblog.com
Avec les JO, ils cherchent de plus en plus de profs de francais. Avis aux diplomes en FLE. Pour les autres jobs, s'il est plutot facile (quoi que faut pas etre presse) de trouver un petit boulot, il faut tt de meme un peu de temps pour trouver un vrai job, et surtout eviter de dire qu'on reste qu'un an si on a qu'un PVT.
Pour ma part, je suis la depuis 15j, je dois donner des cours a l'alliance francaise. Sinon, on se retrouve regulierement entre francais. Et perso, jessaie de prendre contact avec le plus de monde possible, les reseaux de connaissance sont tres utiles...
Enjoy !