police stopping people?

oleggy wrote:

I agree, under no circumstances is it normal for police to just stop and harass people anywhere,

Why harass? Stopping people for a normal control does not mean to harass people.
It is normal that police makes casual controls, it is part of the normal procedure in their job.

But controls must stay control and nothing more.

The fact that in Ukraine some police stops you only to get some bribe is another story.

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I agree with GreyKyiv too.

oleggy wrote:

PS. Also one should just look to Russia to see where the policy of police checking passports leads. They have been doing it for years now with the number of terrorist attacks and their severity only increasing yet most average citizents feeling harassed and unwelcomed when visiting their own capital. Therefore (and that is the main point here) the problem is not the right of law enforcement to check documents but the unproffessionalism of police force dating back to Soviet times.

You cannot say that the checking in Russia does not decrease terrorist attacks because you do not know the numbers. Plus the checking is done not only to prevent terrorist attacks but other crimes so you IMHO you are wrong in saying the checking does not work.

Also I agree with you that policemen here use the checking for their own interests. But everyone should understand that a bribe is asked from a violator of the law. If you do not violate the law there is no reason to ask you a bribe. And the most important and as mean thing as the bribing by police is complains about bribes. If you are so honest and right then pay official fines. Do not pay bribes, keep your passport with you, do not violate registration, currency, traffic, tax and other laws and pay official fines if you do violate. Otherwise there is no difference between you and a policeman taking a bribe.

GreyKyiv wrote:

oleggy wrote:

PS. Also one should just look to Russia to see where the policy of police checking passports leads. They have been doing it for years now with the number of terrorist attacks and their severity only increasing yet most average citizents feeling harassed and unwelcomed when visiting their own capital. Therefore (and that is the main point here) the problem is not the right of law enforcement to check documents but the unproffessionalism of police force dating back to Soviet times.

You cannot say that the checking in Russia does not decrease terrorist attacks because you do not know the numbers. Plus the checking is done not only to prevent terrorist attacks but other crimes so you IMHO you are wrong in saying the checking does not work.

Also I agree with you that policemen here use the checking for their own interests. But everyone should understand that a bribe is asked from a violator of the law. If you do not violate the law there is no reason to ask you a bribe. And the most important and as mean thing as the bribing by police is complains about bribes. If you are so honest and right then pay official fines. Do not pay bribes, keep your passport with you, do not violate registration, currency, traffic, tax and other laws and pay official fines if you do violate. Otherwise there is no difference between you and a policeman taking a bribe.

I personally have never had to pay bribes to police (and I violated the law when I was younger). The poin is that unprofessionalism of Ukrainian law enforcement officials and police goes well beyond routine checks and any  newcomer to the country should know that. Having lived in other places I can personally attest to the fact that Ukrainian police are not the scariest...but they do look for brbes and yes they are among the most corrupt, so just BE WARE.

ukr.dev85 wrote:

Dear Lebanesepirate, if they stopped somebody for 2 min to check your pass. and let him go - it means they were bored and wanted to do smth; but if they stopped for more than 2 min and started to call somewhere or ask a lot of questions - it means they wanted money (50-100 grv is enough) Unless that smbd was drunk or they found him sleeping on the bus stop naked!
P.S. As I know, there is no any urgent condition in Ukraine(war, revolution, protests, visit of president) which will make police to check passport of everyone!

Dear ukr.dev85,
First, there are operations police may carry on by stopping you and people are not allowed to know the reason due to the nature of such work. You are allowed to know only the the reason (checking your docs) but not the cause (e.g. looknig for a certain killer).
Second, the police duty is order maintenance so they are authorised to stop and check anyone looked suspicious. "Suspicious" is a subjective notion so it is up to a policeman to decide whether you are suspicious or not.
Third, you are stopped not for checking your docs but for IDENTITY INDETIFICATION based on the mentioned above.

And I would not addvice to give a bribe if you are not a local or do not know the mentality of local people. Otherwise you can get big problems. NOT ALL TAKE BRIBES here.

GreyKyiv wrote:

ukr.dev85 wrote:

Dear Lebanesepirate, if they stopped somebody for 2 min to check your pass. and let him go - it means they were bored and wanted to do smth; but if they stopped for more than 2 min and started to call somewhere or ask a lot of questions - it means they wanted money (50-100 grv is enough) Unless that smbd was drunk or they found him sleeping on the bus stop naked!
P.S. As I know, there is no any urgent condition in Ukraine(war, revolution, protests, visit of president) which will make police to check passport of everyone!

Dear ukr.dev85,
First, there are operations police may carry on by stopping you and people are not allowed to know the reason due to the nature of such work. You are allowed to know only the the reason (checking your docs) but not the cause (e.g. looknig for a certain killer).
Second, the police duty is order maintenance so they are authorised to stop and check anyone looked suspicious. "Suspicious" is a subjective notion so it is up to a policeman to decide whether you are suspicious or not.
Third, you are stopped not for checking your docs but for IDENTITY INDETIFICATION based on the mentioned above.

And I would not addvice to give a bribe if you are not a local or do not know the mentality of local people. Otherwise you can get big problems. NOT ALL TAKE BRIBES here.

thanks for sharing this informations as i may travel to Ukraine for tourism

don moe wrote:

thanks for sharing this informations as i may travel to Ukraine for tourism

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pav_kov wrote:

don moe wrote:

thanks for sharing this informations as i may travel to Ukraine for tourism

I am quite sure you will get stopped.


I agree with GreyKyiv. Police (Milicia) can ask you for docs. If they are just bored, they will push you for bribe.
However if there was a crime and you look like suspect description, and even has passport they will get you to Police.

If they are looking for someone specific (they know name) passport or other ID will save you time and nerves.

hehehe i will see if they will stop me

thanks bro.

don moe wrote:

pav_kov wrote:

don moe wrote:

thanks for sharing this informations as i may travel to Ukraine for tourism

I am quite sure you will get stopped.


I agree with GreyKyiv. Police (Milicia) can ask you for docs. If they are just bored, they will push you for bribe.
However if there was a crime and you look like suspect description, and even has passport they will get you to Police.

If they are looking for someone specific (they know name) passport or other ID will save you time and nerves.

hehehe i will see if they will stop me

thanks bro.

Just be polite and you will be OK.


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pav_kov wrote:

don moe wrote:

pav_kov wrote:

I am quite sure you will get stopped.


I agree with GreyKyiv. Police (Milicia) can ask you for docs. If they are just bored, they will push you for bribe.
However if there was a crime and you look like suspect description, and even has passport they will get you to Police.

If they are looking for someone specific (they know name) passport or other ID will save you time and nerves.

hehehe i will see if they will stop me

thanks bro.

Just be polite and you will be OK.
By the way in province cities patrol may ask you for documents just out of curiosity. They do not speak English and may want to see you passport just to get where you are from.

You know some of them have never seen foreigner in their life )).

Also a copy of your passport with some "official stamp" may work too.

thanks so much for this amazing info.
sure i will be polite as here am always like that and thank god never been to any kind of problems before