Trying to budget a move to Santurce
My girlfriend and I plan to move to Santurce in January of 2017. We will bring a car, and hope to find a small apartment downtown to rent. I have income for rent, but plan to budget about $5k for the move itself (that's for shipping a car, flying from Jacksonville, paying first/last/deposit, etc.).
Is this a reasonable figure? Are there other major costs I should consider?
I've seen lots of cheap places listed on clasificadosonline. Are the prices I see there legit? Will I be able to snag a price in that range as an obvious gringo? My Spanish is middling at best.
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Car transport is likely around 1,200. Then you have to deal with the tax for the car import and that depend on the car value as determined by Hacienda.
You will need a car until yours get there so add that in.
Apartment, you will have first month, deposit and next month.
Plus the cost of anything else you ship. Not all rentals provide furniture, so you will likely have expenses for needs, sheets, silverware, etc.
I would double your budget
Rey
Also get extimate for car transport which should be around 1200 from NY, a little less from florida.
Then you decide if you are going to ship the car or not. For rental, budget 3 months of rent as first month, last and deposit, it may be lower but better be prepared. As to amount ...... That depends, you may be able to find a good deal but be prepared to pay 700-900 a month in Santurce for 1-2 bedrooms and some areas may not be too desirable or safe.
They belong to either Hato Rey or Santurce, either way, bad areas.
Shipping a car is like the "Wild West" no matter who you use, they have no control with getting your car to you. They place a shipment on a big board that all the truckers use to plan a route. Like some trucker from L.A is making a trip to Miami, so any shipment he sees that's on his way, he'll pick-up the car and try to get as many loaded on his truck as possible.
A few months ago, I was going to move to the Virgin Islands and I had my car shipped there. It was supposed to be waiting for me at the airport when I arrived, that didn't happen. Next day I called the shipper and he didn't know where my car was. The following day he found my car, it was still on its way to Florida and if the trucker would make it in time, I would have my car on Monday. The trucker didn't make it in time and I'd have to wait till the following week. After taking a close look at the Virgin Island, I decided it was a bad move and I'd be better off stopping now and not continue throwing good into bad. I called the shipper and told him not to ship my car but to return it to my place in New Mexico. He did offer to refund me $500, which was more than I thought I'd get from him. A week or so later my car was back in New Mexico. Upon inspection, the antenna was knocked off and there was a huge dent on the rear top of my car. I'm glad it wasn't a new car.
The point I'm trying to make, is do your homework and weigh out the cost and the hassle. Most likely you won't have the same problems I did, but there is a chance you might some problems. If I had it to do all over, I'd sell the car and buy another after I've landed. This is exactly what I'm going to do for my up and coming move to Puerto Rico. Next week the car goes up for sale and I hope to have it sold by August 30th, that's the day I'm moving to PR.
Don't take this the wrong way, but try to get a little more than $5k to make a start, $5k will disappear before your eyes in a flash. But good luck I hope yours is better than mine. I'm trying to make you aware of the pit falls and despite our positive thinking, shit happens
Butch
For the same amount or maybe a little more I can find a good car down there.
If and big if, you were moving to the central or southwest part of the island and you already knew people there. I would say $5K will be almost enough to start. You can make it with $1200-1500/month, the locals do it with less. But not in the metropolitan area. A hotel room will run you over $100/day, a house in a good part of the metro area will go for over $600/m IF you can find it. Add to that water/electricity that will require deposit for new connections. That's just to start.
I don't want to rain in your parade but you should consider saving more money.
I couldn't believe the bullshit I went through when I tried to ship my car, it was a nightmare, and I thought I had all my bases covered. I'm just trying to say, do your homework, I got screwed and I'm giving you a "heads up" I didn't know anything about shipping a car when I started, I had to find out the hard way. Like I said, shipping a car is the Wild West and it doesn't matter who you talk to, none of them own their own trucks that will pick up your car and deliver it to Puerto Rico, the shipper farms your car out, its a crap shoot. Maybe some shipping companies own a truck or two and can do a short hauls But shipping a car through a shipper, you'd be better off driving your car to the port where all the shippers deliver their cars to, they all use one or two companies that own the boats, Crowley is a major shipping company they all use, (I think the spelling is right) they own the boats, and you can deal directly with them and bypass the shipper. The shipper just makes it easier and charges you for his service, then he pays a cut to the trucker as well in the cost. It's a game, and they all use the "Big Game Board" that shows all the shipments and all the truckers pick and choose the cargo they pick up and make a deal with the shipper. the cheapest one always wins. In a nut shell this is how it works. It took me some time and costly mistakes to find this out.
After the major mistake with the Virgin Islands, I had to tuck my tail between my legs and come back to where I started to replenish the money I blew by making that mistake. If my crystal ball was working, I'd be leaving with $5000 more in my pocket. I'm using $10,000 as the least amount for me to get started, enough to start with, and maybe enough to bail out if I have do a plan "B" . I don't know anyone on the island, friends are always a leg up and good to have. Maybe after we both land, we can hook up and have a laugh or two about our adventure.
I wish us both the very best for our quest for a better life, I'm on your side.
Butch
If you have someone to do all of the legwork and will pay for the shipping, then go for it. Otherwise, don't get analysis paralysis.
The deposit for the water company was $50 but the time you spend sitting at the office to get it turned on could be an all day adventure. Fortunately, our landlord went with us and helped to speed the process along, but we were still there for 3 hours and we had emailed all of our information to them (it only took 15 minutes once we were finally called to the back). The deposit for electricity was $150, we were able to get the electricity done by fax and was billed the deposit. Electricity in the City was much more than what we pay out here in Fajardo.
The amount we budgeted for the move was not enough because we didn't add in enough for unforeseen incidentals. But, it can be done, but it will take careful planning and spending. If you need other specifics, you may message me or ask in the forum. Good luck, it is a beautiful island so spend some time to soak it all in.
miminich wrote:We've heard that the used car market in PR is dodgy and that we'd be better off shipping... do you think that's not the case?
I've both shipped a car here and bought & sold one.
Having done lots of research, my shipping process went rather smoothly but it helped that I didn't need the car here and was already driving around the one I had bought from a local. It cost me ~$1k to get it from California to Jacksonville, FL and another ~$1k to Crowley, the main shipper to boat it over here to SJ. I chose to deal with two different shippers for this and they both did great. I can recommend a PR shipper who handled all the Crowley tax paperwork for me. On top of that, it cost me another ~$2k in Hacienda taxes on a 2007 vehicle. So I paid ~$4k on a car worth about $13k, but I'd known that going into it and decided it was worthwhile because the car has sentimental value.
It took me months to both buy and sell my other car here, a 2012 Nissan Sentra with very low miles, but that's primarily because a) I was super-picky and b) I insisted on a manual transmission. I know the market enough now to know that if you want a good automatic, you can both buy and sell one rather quickly. And you'll have a huge selection, almost as big as the continental US.
In your shoes, unless you have a specific reason to ship, I would definitely buy or lease here. There are dozens of reputable used & new dealerships up and down Route 65 de Infanteria (rt 3 on google maps) that I would be happy to buy/lease from.
Also, I like Santurce as everything's cheap but it's pretty ghetto and many parts are run down, including its hospital. I live about 15 minutes away in Isla Verde. There are much better places to live that are still way, way cheaper than the continental US.
Schuttzie wrote:tinymonkey, could you help me out with information regarding car leasing? We are coming in Feb. for 5 weeks and the car rental is really eating into the budget. I appreciate your help!
You mean you only need a car for 5 weeks total?
Keep in mind santurce is a great area close to many things but it is a transitional neighborhood. Our neighbors are all really nice hard working people and they look out for us.
One thing that is normal here you might have to buy your own fridge and stove. We lucked out and made a deal with our landlord so it's included.
Our neighbors across the street, 3 guys, pay 550$ a month for a slightly bigger 3 bd house. But they started renting 1.5 years ago. So the prices are going up.
As for the car, unless you own it outright and can ship it for less than 1200 it's not with it. Although it did take us 2 months to find a used car here and I asked for help on this forum.
We used Rose Delmonte shipping and cost was about 1g for two people 1 king matress kitchen table a small couch plus 27 boxes.
Good luck and hit us up when you get here
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