Working in Vietnam

er.......If you have a Vietnam passport, why afraid to use it?

The very least, you will not have visa issue which is the biggest headache we all have.

I guess it would depend on the salary they pay you - if you are considered "local" maybe you get paid less?

Or maybe they force you into mandatory military training.

IT work pays local wages here.  I wanted to teach software development instead of English and learned that the pay was a quarter for full time university work what I get now for half time teaching English. 

But as an Asian you're not likely to do well teaching English, either.  Proficiency is irrelevant, parents want a white face in front of the class.  We have one VK teacher in my school whom the school backs as a "foreign teacher" and his English is as native as mine, but the fact that he's Asian is an impediment.  Most schools wouldn't even hire him.

You want to move to Vietnam, fine.  You want to make money here doing IT, be prepared to live rather humbly.  I could make six times what I make here doing freelancing if I wanted to move back, but at six times the cost of living and having to put up with software companies run by fad-following morons and endless meetings

will they force me to join the military serivces even i am Australian citizen ?

TEFL Can Tho wrote:

IT work pays local wages here.  I wanted to teach software development instead of English and learned that the pay was a quarter for full time university work what I get now for half time teaching English. 

But as an Asian you're not likely to do well teaching English, either.  Proficiency is irrelevant, parents want a white face in front of the class.  We have one VK teacher in my school whom the school backs as a "foreign teacher" and his English is as native as mine, but the fact that he's Asian is an impediment.  Most schools wouldn't even hire him.

You want to move to Vietnam, fine.  You want to make money here doing IT, be prepared to live rather humbly.  I could make six times what I make here doing freelancing if I wanted to move back, but at six times the cost of living and having to put up with software companies run by fad-following morons and endless meetings

Thank you for your advice. i am just aiming for getting some experiences in IT. i know that the salary will be lower than what i get paid in Australia, but i finished my degree in Dec 2013 till now , i havent find any IT work. Im really frustrated about my situation

What sort do you do?  Software development?  System administration?  Database?  It makes a difference.  For software dev. the best thing you can do is either work up from QA (software testing) or write some apps you can use in a portfolio.  I got my toehold in mobiles by getting some apps in the AppStore; they didn't make me rich but they showed I could walk the walk. 

Problem in countries like ours is that companies keep chasing the pyrite of cheap labor in India and China and never quite absorb the lesson that they get what they pay for, which usually a steaming pile that crashes on startup. 

Vietnam has a vast army of inexperienced developers etc. who need mentoring and as an inexperienced IT guy you'd be competing with people who have no expectation of making more than 4 mill a month.

It's getting harder.  The stupidity of recruiters doesn't help.

One hint: get active on Linkedin.  I've never gotten one gig answering a job ad, I've gotten five by giving good technical answers on LinkedIn.

andytruong91 wrote:

Hi Everyone!
I am newbie here I was born in Vietnam and now living in Melbourne Australia with my family. I am fresh graduate student from RMIT with bachelor degree in I.T. It quite tough finding a I.T job in Australia, that is why i am planning to go back to Vietnam to work. Just wondering, i have dual citizenships, if i want to work in Vietnam, do i just use the Vietnamese Passport when entering the country ? Because i have an internship offer from Harvey Nash in Saigon and they want me to use Vietnamese passport to enter the country because they dont hire expat. Will there be troubles if im using it?

woww,  after Tet holiday, in March i'll join Harvey Nash for fresher position too, hope to see u soon in person.

andytruong91 wrote:

will they force me to join the military serivces even i am Australian citizen ?

You are a Vietnamese citizen as you said yourself. Vietnam doesn't recognize multiple citizenship. If a war breaks out prepare to be on the front line fighting the Chinese.

TEFL Can Tho wrote:

What sort do you do?  Software development?  System administration?  Database?  It makes a difference.  For software dev. the best thing you can do is either work up from QA (software testing) or write some apps you can use in a portfolio.  I got my toehold in mobiles by getting some apps in the AppStore; they didn't make me rich but they showed I could walk the walk. 

Problem in countries like hours is that companies keep chasing the pyrite of cheap labor in India and China and never quite absorb the lesson that they get what they pay for, which usually a steaming pile that crashes on startup. 

Vietnam has a vast army of inexperienced developers etc. who need mentoring and as an inexperienced IT guy you'd be competing with people who have no expectation of making more than 4 mill a month.

It's getting harder.  The stupidity of recruiters doesn't help.

My major is System Admin. i like to do IT support, helpdesk kind of stuff, but the internship offer at Harvey Nash is QC(software testing) like you say, they
only pay 3mil/month for 3 months. But they want me to be registered as an local vietnamese to work since i have VN passport t

vietha822 wrote:

woww,  after Tet holiday, in March i'll join Harvey Nash for fresher position too, hope to see u soon in person.

ill be back in vn on monday next week. do you have fb so we can chat

andytruong91 wrote:

My major is System Admin. i like to do IT support, helpdesk kind of stuff, but the internship offer at Harvey Nash is QC(software testing) like you say, they
only pay 3mil/month for 3 months. But they want me to be registered as an local vietnamese to work since i have VN passport t

I don't have enough time now to read all to know what you need now.
But my friend is working in FPT company. And he interviews some candidates everyday.
If you want to have job in this company, send me a msg, I will introduce you to him.

Or this position, you can send CV to my friend: [email protected]

"DEK is looking into a possible opportunity for some new work in the area of “Integration Framework”. HR will send out an email to collect data about who we have that could be a potential candidate. If you have friends who you believe would be a good match, please send their CV.

This is the information we have so far about the front end and back end of the framework:

Frontend

HTML5 / CSS3 / JavaScript  - required

Strong frontens experience  - required

CSS frameworks like, LESS/SASS  - required

Twitter Bootstrap or Foundation.

JavaScript frameworks: JQuery, AngularJS. - required


Backend:

RESTful services - required

WebAPI2 (soon to be RESTful API with Microsoft vNext) - required

Microsoft vNext - required

C#

SQL Server

Securing RESTful services including Identity and Access Control for web application and token based authentication (OAuth2, OpenId Connect)"

ngattt wrote:

Or this position, you can send CV to my friend: [email protected]

"DEK is looking into a possible opportunity for some new work in the area of “Integration Framework”. HR will send out an email to collect data about who we have that could be a potential candidate. If you have friends who you believe would be a good match, please send their CV.

This is the information we have so far about the front end and back end of the framework:

Frontend

HTML5 / CSS3 / JavaScript  - required

Strong frontens experience  - required

CSS frameworks like, LESS/SASS  - required

Twitter Bootstrap or Foundation.

JavaScript frameworks: JQuery, AngularJS. - required


Backend:

RESTful services - required

WebAPI2 (soon to be RESTful API with Microsoft vNext) - required

Microsoft vNext - required

C#

SQL Server

Securing RESTful services including Identity and Access Control for web application and token based authentication (OAuth2, OpenId Connect)"

Thank you for your help

andytruong91 wrote:

TEFL Can Tho wrote:

What sort do you do?  Software development?  System administration?  Database?  It makes a difference.  For software dev. the best thing you can do is either work up from QA (software testing) or write some apps you can use in a portfolio.  I got my toehold in mobiles by getting some apps in the AppStore; they didn't make me rich but they showed I could walk the walk. 

Problem in countries like hours is that companies keep chasing the pyrite of cheap labor in India and China and never quite absorb the lesson that they get what they pay for, which usually a steaming pile that crashes on startup. 

Vietnam has a vast army of inexperienced developers etc. who need mentoring and as an inexperienced IT guy you'd be competing with people who have no expectation of making more than 4 mill a month.

It's getting harder.  The stupidity of recruiters doesn't help.

My major is System Admin. i like to do IT support, helpdesk kind of stuff, but the internship offer at Harvey Nash is QC(software testing) like you say, they
only pay 3mil/month for 3 months. But they want me to be registered as an local vietnamese to work since i have VN passport

My personal feel is that Socialism pays somehow an equivalent salary across the board.

Unless you are really special. Performance based payout is not likely to be expected. This results in job hopping and instability of manpower among companies.

All CVs I have seen, has proven this.

I felt the workforce in Vietnam are not dynamic and not resilient. Many employers thus, often have doubts in their workcrew. Very few are trusted with higher responsibilities & employers do much legwork themselves.

So to Andy, I think you probably are not pitching yourself in the right direction. If you are willing to lower your income expectations as a newbie in the industry, you should be able to land yourself somewhere comfortably. In Australia I mean.

Go to a noodle place.  Tính tiền.  95.000₫.  Give the waiter a hundred.  Does he pull a five out of his pocket?  No.  He walks to the other end of the shop and trades some fat guy smoking at a table and brings the five back. 

This is colossally stupid and it scales all the way up.