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True, the good thing is the older people usually get the good meds, that will put a smile on anyone's face!
The 27% Vat tax is really high and is a turn off to buy items at times here in HU.
We shipped over a few things but of course many useful things we just didn't bring and don't care to replace here in HU.
I personally feel I am living in the  rough here in HU, no reason for it really other then I do not care to invest here any longer, don't wish to buy any more expensive household items because I may find myself reselling or giving them away sooner then later.
Thank goodness my MIL left me allot of housewares, furniture and all, down side is almost everything has that old "commie" feel to it, everything is from the 1970's.
In fact we saw a very similar cabinet in the National Museum, one I use daily here in our flat.
Maybe it's time to buy something more 2016 and not 1972.
I can tell my heart is not into buying new things here in HU so it's time to think it over, easy to get comfy and not go forward with big issues like moving away and staying away.
I know almost every Hungarian we know from my next door neighbor to the local grocery clerk ask us why in the world we came to HU from the US. Grass is always greener...

Marilyn Tassy :

In fact we saw a very similar cabinet in the National Museum, one I use daily here in our flat.

See:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/1 … 30582.html

Basically, someone bought a $700 chair that turned out to be an antique toilet, worth at least $250,000. Maybe investigate what that cabinet is really worth, and you might be able to leave Hungary in style.

We often never know the real value of all the crap we have around our homes (pun intended).

Well i think Ann has the right idea about things which we share also in our own way.

Hungary is a pain this is true but there are many nice things here and really so far most of the reasons why we moved are actually correct. Healthcare is affordable, housing is cheaper for rentals, i do feel we will be able to find an affordable house to purchase, food is cleaner here, even with the jerks here there are still more nice people than we knew in USA etc.

And honestly we never thought Hungary would solve everything. As i said in my first post, as an USA person that is retired and not married to a EU person there are only certain countries we were able to legally move too. Even with work visas the restrictions on that are getting harder for many EU countries. {A friend of mine she had a job in Ireland and another and in UK. Now this year they have changed the type of jobs the government  allows companies to issue work visas for. So now unless you have like a white collar job even working is not a way to live there. The list of jobs is pretty narrow and even then they can always find a more qualified local or EU person}

So if we do want to live in a different country in a few years it will be easier to do so after being legally living in Hungary. It will be much easier to drive or take a train to look at flats in Austria or Italy from Hungary than from St Pete Beach, Florida! he hee.

We want to get some stability here and have a home base. I feel Hungary offers that. I do not want were  my father gets old and has to worry about paying rent or what some owner is doing, or me face no where to live if i broke up with a bf or something. From here who knows! We might just travel a lot and still live in Hungary. Or keep a house here and live somewhere else. Dad loves Italy he has been there many many times. Or if i end up marrying someone then living in his country. Or i may move to Lithuania or Latvia that is questions to be answered down the road. We have some distant family that we have to visit in the Netherlands so who knows might end up there. Although i really doubt either of us together or separate would want to live there or Norway.

Or who knows if UK leaves the EU maybe we will be able to move there! he hee :heart:

FeliciaOni :

:heart:

To be succinct: Life is an adventure. Live it.

:cheers:

FeliciaOni :

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And laptops are very very expensive and much older technology than i am used too. I have an 8g of Ram with 2 T of storage i brought new last year and i want a new one with 8 or 12 g and guys at the computer stores or media mart look at me like i am crazy! ....

Media Markt has to be one of the worst places to buy anything technical.  They are totally useless and extremely expensive.  Now I just do not bother with them.   Their selling model involves using very expensive storefronts which is an anachronism these days.

You can get just about OK (for here, depending on item) prices on technical goods by going to Argep Sometimes there are special offers there.  But they also have crazy (high) prices if the sellers are chancers.  Usually items are sold out of small places, like single offices or small shops. I've never found anyone not to be a legit seller - you get an invoice etc.

I have been known to buy IT stuff here in HU but quite a lot of the time, I simply have to import it from places like the UK or Germany.  A lot of more unusual (for domestic use) are considered very specialist items and are just not available or have no local support.  Usually inferior versions are offered.     

A recent change in the VAT rules has caused a lot of hassle - buying from say, Amazon.de means that VAT is payable at the destination country rate, not the rate of the country of dispatch.  It's pushed up prices and is utterly anti-competitive.   

The only way to avoid stuff is to go there personally and collect the items which is not very practical or you get someone there to act as "an agent", receive the goods locally, then repackage to ship as personal "2nd hand goods".  Shipping costs make this unworkable a lot of the time but it is possible.

It's just about possible to go to Austria or Slovakia and get a small price advantage (if one goes to say, Ikea, but even then it's not so great). The EU has a minimum tax level of 15% all over so there's not much in it (i.e. 27%-15%= 12%) unless it's a very high value item or something rated at 0% or exempt in the source country.  Austria is not particularly cheap either.

fluffy2560 :

The EU has a minimum tax level of 15% all over so there's not much in it (i.e. 27%-15%= 12%) unless it's a very high value item or something rated at 0% or exempt in the source country.

Sure.

But to an American, where some states have a zero (0%) consumer retail tax (i.e. sales tax in the USA, VAT elsewhere), a minimum tax of 15% might be quite a shock. And a 27% tax is simply jaw dropping.

Sometimes I think what we save in everyday living costs just balances out with unexpected expenses here in HU.
Everything is cheap, fine and dandy then something breaks down or needs to be replaced and you find yourself paying more then double of what you would expect to pay in the US.
I am not even talking about the deals found second hand in the US.
I swear when we were in Vegas last month, my husband was spending a good $400. a month in the Goodwill store, he just couldn't believe how cheap new to barely used items were there, pressure cookers, 3 bicycles, brand new high quality pots and pans, dishes,clothing, designer items, furniture, I had to stop him from bringing home bags and bags of things that we couldn't bring back to HU in a suitcase or two.
My storage unit in Vegas is full to the top.
We almost never buy items here in HU that we don't really need.
I refuse to pay that VAT tax on items I can live without having.
New items in the US like tv sets etc. can be bought for nearly nothing with great return policies.
To me HU has the best food and drink but much else still reminds me of how things went 30 years ago, the rich always have what they need and the rest are still struggling to just get by.
For me it is a good lesson to live knowing I don't need every little thing that catches my eye.
Making life simple is refreshing.
Gone from a huge house with 4 cars, dog and swimming pool and store cards to just several suitcases worth of clothing and items that I can take or leave.
While I was in the US visiting I almost decided to just stay there and forget about everything in Hungary, had to return for my family photos so here i am.
Basically it is nice to be free from material items we tend to really have to many things in the west, think everyone should live awhile with less to see what is really important.
Seems I am returning to my old Hippie ways by living in HU.

Marilyn Tassy :

Seems I am returning to my old Hippie ways by living in HU.

To return to one's hippie days, Hungary is a bit far to travel. Consider Just moving to Arcata, Humboldt county, in California.  ;)

"And laptops are very very expensive and much older technology than i am used too. I have an 8g of Ram with 2 T of storage i brought new last year and i want a new one with 8 or 12 g and guys at the computer stores or media mart look at me like i am crazy! I do not have the money to buy one right now but i am used to being able to see things i can not afford at least! he hee. "

You can find all the latest technology in stores, but it's indeed expensive, about 30-40% more expensive than in US. Sometimes you can find sweet deals, though, I bought my laptop for ~750USD, on amazon.com the cheapest price for the same model was about 1300USD in USA.

May I ask what do you need 8-12gb for? Ram is easy to upgrade, and usually it's cheaper to upgrade a laptop with third-party modules.

atomheart :

"And laptops are very very expensive.....

NOT trying to be too critical, but using the stylistic "quote" option does make ones own comments far, far easier to differentiate from the comment one is referring to.  :)

I know, and possibly as the strongest support I can give in your defense, if you are using a tablet the quote option is unfortunately now buried in sub menus and difficult to get to and find. That is indeed kind of unfortunate, and annoying indeed.  :(

But.... if you can find the quote option....  it does help others who read your comments.  ;)

Yes that would help when others say things referring to what is said. Like i know what i said and he is committing on it but to others it is not so clear.

I guess in theory upgrading a computer that you were already using would work but honestly that has not worked well(maybe just had bad experiences with tech geeks in usa) and also as i stated getting a new laptop/notebook is better. Maybe it is just me in my situation we are used to 2 different laptops to use separately.

Plus at least in Florida to upgrade RAM was like 300 dollars a brand new laptop is like 600. So i rather just have a 2nd unit then upgrading and still just having one.

Yes i have 8g of RAM now on the one i brought this past October. Which yes i need and use. So when i do buy a new one yes i will either continue with the RAM i have or yes get more. Before this one i had 4g and it was not fast enough so that is why brought the 8g so why would i downgrade? No one should downgrade on technology!

I do not have nor use tablets or use mobile internet devices ie smartphones etc, i guess i just am old fashioned! I just when i am not at home i do what i am out to do. Both from privacy sake and also just i do not know i do not text or anything.

FeliciaOni :

Plus at least in Florida to upgrade RAM was like 300 dollars a brand new laptop is like 600. So i rather just have a 2nd unit then upgrading and still just having one.

Yes i have 8g of RAM now on the one i brought this past October. Which yes i need and use. So when i do buy a new one yes i will either continue with the RAM i have or yes get more. Before this one i had 4g and it was not fast enough so that is why brought the 8g so why would i downgrade? No one should downgrade on technology!

8GB RAM is not unusual.  I have 8GB in most of my machines.  If I could stuff more in, I would.  You can never have enough RAM.

$300 for 8 GB is insanely expensive.  RAM costs have fallen considerably and there's no shortage. I got 16 GB for my fanless server (it uses laptop RAM) for about 20K HUF and that was low voltage RAM from a top manufacturer.  It's easy to put in RAM yourself.

If you want to make it faster  replace the HDD (Hard Disk Drive) by an SSD (Solid State Disk).  These are well under $100 for 500 GB now and will allow your laptop to boot up in less than 10s (mine boots in less than 5s).  SSD will make more difference than a 4GB to 8GB upgrade,

With an SSD it's possible also to disable the Paging File on the boot disk and this will improve speed as well.   I am systematically replacing all my boot HDDs with SSDs.

You can then replace the CD/DVD drive with your existing main drive using an adapter that allows you to use the HDD in the CD/DVD drive slot.  That assumes you don't use CDs/DVDs any more (who uses them?). Adapters are easily available on Ebay.

If you disable the Paging File on the main drive, then set a Paging File on the secondary disk, just in case. The usual size is 3 x memory installed.

klsallee: good point, I should have used Quote.

FeliciaOni: fluffy2560 has beat me to it, I wanted suggest pretty much the same. An SSD can make a much bigger difference, and 300 bucks for a ram upgrade is ridiculous.

Bigger numbers and newer hardware won't necessarily bring you better performance, you have to keep things balanced, make sure that there is no major bottleneck. I far too often see non-techie people (I'm not making any assumptions about your IT skills) buy brand new, cheap PCs (or more expensive ones with unbalanced components), and then they find that it's still slow... It's a waste of money.

One more thing: if you don't want to spend a lot of money, a used "business class" laptop might be a good choice. This one, for instance: link. They list a few possible upgrades at the bottom, +8gb of RAM is 14.000HUF. (You could do it yourself based on youtube videos for about 10.000HUF)

You can read about the Lenovo Thinkpad models on this site.

atomheart :

One more thing: if you don't want to spend a lot of money, a used "business class" laptop might be a good choice. This one, for instance: link. They list a few possible upgrades at the bottom, +8gb of RAM is 14.000HUF. (You could do it yourself based on youtube videos for about 10.000HUF)

You can read about the Lenovo Thinkpad models on this site.

Agree with the 2nd hand option totally.  New IT stuff is overrated.

I bought Mrs Fluffy a small 13" screen i7 HP second hand (OK, not wonderful as a brand and oddly laid out design with some pointless and unusable options) for £250 which is about $350 (maybe).   I upgraded the RAM 4GB to 8GB by swapping memory boards with another laptop the kids use and replaced the HDD with SSD and downgraded to Windows 7.  Now it's very usable and runs very nicely indeed.   The only difficulty was finding the drivers but this was hardly a show stopper.

I need all of you with me when i buy a laptop! he hee

The laptop i have that i use now i brought brand new about 8 months ago is an HP touchscreen with a  SDD hybrid drive, 8g ram and 2 T of storage and core i7. It is pretty fast i have had no issues with it other than figuring out how to keep the Windows 10 upgrade out!

I have looked at getting a "business" laptop for the next one. I just need to make sure it is usable for normal things also.

The next one i will get i think i will just get another HP with Linix OS, Ubuntu i think it is called and either 8g or have it upgraded when i buy it to 12g. The company i saw online is in Uk shipping did not look too much.  It is brand new about 700 usd.

I do not have the spare cash right now to get a 2nd laptop but when i do yes it will have to be ordered online.

I brought a "factory refurbished" laptop before an ASUS and a Acer and never ever again!

Thanks for all the info!

FeliciaOni :

i have had no issues with it other than figuring out how to keep the Windows 10 upgrade out!

Are you using any software that's not compatible with it? There is no other reason to refuse it, especially when it's free...

FeliciaOni :

I have looked at getting a "business" laptop for the next one. I just need to make sure it is usable for normal things also.

It's usable for normal things, sure! business grade laptops are built to be used 8 hours a day, they are more durable usually.

FeliciaOni :

The company i saw online is in Uk shipping did not look too much.  It is brand new about 700 usd.

Maybe yours won't break, but if it does, how will you deal with warranty? Before buying that model, I'd suggest to find a store in BP that has it on display and check out its keyboard, lid, etc. Also check out the one I linked earlier, you might feel the difference in quality as soon as you open the lid and feel how solid it is. New Lenovo Thinkpad Ts are priced 350kHUF+ for a good reason...

Well warranty wise those never do much for you! Like i said i brought this one brand new in USA and it came with a 6 month warranty, i could purchase longer from HP if i want but wow thanks. The store only gave like a 7 day warranty then refer to the HP one.  When they break or have issues i have never had a store or manufacture do much anyway and that was in USA i doubt EU would be much worse anyway.

As i said before most stores in Budapest do not have much on display let alone anything with the specs i am looking for. If so pm me directly and let me know where to go to find these stores with such items!

I looked at the links you mentioned but i will admit they did not make much since to me!

I have been very unhappy with Windows for awhile so no i do not want to use it anymore if i can avoid it.

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