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douglas1969

Are you kidding?

@douglas1969

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Canadian looking for information about Libya

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Lives in Tripoli

Registration: 11 June 2010

douglas1969
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13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

Good Luck and Bye!Ahh Gee! don't you think that year you mentioned is around 900 days away? Just curious why 2014 :)yes, joan.pal 2014 is a very long ways away. anything could happen by then -- it could swing both ways, either for the better or for ... Read More

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13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

Hi Guyz telling truth is very high valueThat is what exactly Douglas does, but quite emotionally. Lucky you having not heard of any bad news.I fail to see the emotionality of it. Expats ran back to collect double salary as soon as their employers ... Read More

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13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

You douglas are not polite, that's what me and some of the users try to point out. Thanks to you the whole discussion turned ugly.Yes, you're right. I am not polite - didn't know it was a requirement of this forum -- but I have little patience for ... Read More

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13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

I'm sorry Dougdrivel snipped for posterity. Actually did live in Libya long time. Recall I didnt know too many people outside the circle of expats we knew. The number of Libyans I know I could count on one hand and I lived there a long time. ... Read More

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13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

..they have shown that it most definitely IS the extremists who are trying to destabilise the country - AND that Benghazi as a whole most certainly does NOT want these extremist crazies ruling their lives..You have very little understanding of what ... Read More

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13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

..they have shown that it most definitely IS the extremists who are trying to destabilise the country - AND that Benghazi as a whole most certainly does NOT want these extremist crazies ruling their lives..You have very little understanding of what ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

I am STILL strongly in support of the revolution and have not done ANY 180 degree turn, as you accuse me of - but I also know that all the REAL tuwar are now also fully supportive of the rule of law, and want this in place as soon as possible - it ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

Jeez Doug.... what crawled up your ... and died to make you in such a bad mood as to go into attack mode?Absolute drivel. You both strutted around here propping up the violence 1.5 years ago when it seemed to suit your "democratic values" (remember ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

to stop the crazies shootingYes, I remember you as well South African. I think it's in extremely poor taste that someone who championed the young Libyan men when they raised arms and put their lives and the lives of their families on the lines to ... Read More

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13 years ago
Bechir33

Safety in Tripoli by Bechir33

Dear all, My company is proposing me to move to Tripoli. I'am ok with that except with security conditions that make me still hesitate. What about gunshots, the 2 attempts these last 2 or 3 weeks? I really would enjoy to know your ...

douglas1969

I have been on this site for a long time now and have concerns for the people on it especially those with families living there. If you look at my posts, you will see nothing but my profession of love for Libya.Yes, the above is true, she also has ... Read More

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13 years ago
dewi_wahyuningsih

Libya - Palm City Residences by dewi_wahyuningsih

I'm in the process of moving to Libya and wanty to ask about the Palm City Residences whether there was someone who lived in Palm City Resident? whether Palm City Residences is already operating?

douglas1969

I am sorry to hear about your troubles jotox. Another update on life at Palm City: - The supermarket has improved the variety of products. Still expensive. - The internet speed is still crap. - During the weekends,e specially on fridays the ... Read More

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14 years ago
dewi_wahyuningsih

Libya - Palm City Residences by dewi_wahyuningsih

I'm in the process of moving to Libya and wanty to ask about the Palm City Residences whether there was someone who lived in Palm City Resident? whether Palm City Residences is already operating?

douglas1969

..I'd continue to call it "unstable" What happened at the airport, the attack against the British in Benghazi, kidnappings and armed robberies. Things are still not looking good.The answer to the mystery question, "Where did the flags come from?" ... Read More

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14 years ago
mark_smith

waha oil company !!!! National Oil Company - URGENT by mark_smith

Hi all Please let me know the following asap about waha oil petroleum!!! 1- How is the work culture ??? (is it truly multicultural company,chances of getting promoted , work environment ) for town based - Tripoli office 2 - Came to know that ...

douglas1969

Let me share my experince or rather my friends experiencesSo did you go there with your family and work there or not?! Its one thing to expeirnece it yourself and its another thing to re-tell stories from other people. Read More

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14 years ago
mark_smith

waha oil company !!!! National Oil Company - URGENT by mark_smith

Hi all Please let me know the following asap about waha oil petroleum!!! 1- How is the work culture ??? (is it truly multicultural company,chances of getting promoted , work environment ) for town based - Tripoli office 2 - Came to know that ...

douglas1969

No management positions are offered to expats in any of the local oil companies. Expats are hired to do the technical work.I believe that will change soon.What makes you believe that?Just a guess -- no one can predict the future, but I am ... Read More

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14 years ago
mark_smith

waha oil company !!!! National Oil Company - URGENT by mark_smith

Hi all Please let me know the following asap about waha oil petroleum!!! 1- How is the work culture ??? (is it truly multicultural company,chances of getting promoted , work environment ) for town based - Tripoli office 2 - Came to know that ...

douglas1969

No management positions are offered to expats in any of the local oil companies. Expats are hired to do the technical work.I believe that will change soon. Read More

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14 years ago
inaustralia

Can anyone talk to me about Libya by inaustralia

Hello I am an Australian and wondering if some people living in Libya would correspond with me and educate me about Libya, how it was and how it is? Please message me if you could spare some time and I will provide my email address. Thanks :)

douglas1969

Hi douglas thanks. I'm very very aware of the way the Fed and their counterparts in most other countries and how they are running us all into the ground. Libya the same? Wasn't I believe ...but will be soonthe "nixon shock" ;) Read More

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14 years ago
inaustralia

Can anyone talk to me about Libya by inaustralia

Hello I am an Australian and wondering if some people living in Libya would correspond with me and educate me about Libya, how it was and how it is? Please message me if you could spare some time and I will provide my email address. Thanks :)

douglas1969

Healthcare was free, but I would never take the neighbourhood stray to the local hospitals here.yup, quite a few places have "quasi" free healthcare (you actually pay for it out of your taxes here!). btw - inaustralia, the Gaddafi/Africa and gold ... Read More

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14 years ago
inaustralia

Can anyone talk to me about Libya by inaustralia

Hello I am an Australian and wondering if some people living in Libya would correspond with me and educate me about Libya, how it was and how it is? Please message me if you could spare some time and I will provide my email address. Thanks :)

douglas1969

Yes, "very busy for the next 10 years rebuilding Libya" refers to it will take a long time to rebuild the country and stabilize it. Includes construction as well other things. Do you know how to make a democracy from scratch fast? I don't. Not sure ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
14 years ago
inaustralia

Can anyone talk to me about Libya by inaustralia

Hello I am an Australian and wondering if some people living in Libya would correspond with me and educate me about Libya, how it was and how it is? Please message me if you could spare some time and I will provide my email address. Thanks :)

douglas1969

Is there anything that no one seems to be saying that you think needs to be said?Yes, what no one is talking about is what the overthrow of Q. and the essential ejection of Libyan influence in African matters (will be very busy for the next 10 years ... Read More

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14 years ago
US Chamber of Commerce

US Chamber of Commerce Libya set to establish in Tripoli- Advice ? by US Chamber of Commerce

Dear All, As a career Foreign service worker, I am have now taken the role as President of the US-Libya Chamber of Commerce. My first role is to establish a real presence in Libya, with offices in Tripoli ( other offices may open at a later ...

douglas1969

OK, it seems that the USLCC is as legit as any other Chamber.OK great.. but that does not make them "career foreign service workers" does it? I thought that expression is reserved for the State Department employees, and others on the government ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
14 years ago
inaustralia

Can anyone talk to me about Libya by inaustralia

Hello I am an Australian and wondering if some people living in Libya would correspond with me and educate me about Libya, how it was and how it is? Please message me if you could spare some time and I will provide my email address. Thanks :)

douglas1969

Excuse me for rambling and for any language mistakes lolIt's not a ramble. It's an opinion and a freedom of expression. That is pretty much what the whole war/revolution against Q. was all about. Nothing wrong with this. Read More

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14 years ago
US Chamber of Commerce

US Chamber of Commerce Libya set to establish in Tripoli- Advice ? by US Chamber of Commerce

Dear All, As a career Foreign service worker, I am have now taken the role as President of the US-Libya Chamber of Commerce. My first role is to establish a real presence in Libya, with offices in Tripoli ( other offices may open at a later ...

douglas1969

Well that is really scary. The longer they postpone elections the longer investors will stay away from Libya.(((I am 100% certain that election will be held. I am also 100% certain that the election results will be disputed and called invalid but ... Read More

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14 years ago
US Chamber of Commerce

US Chamber of Commerce Libya set to establish in Tripoli- Advice ? by US Chamber of Commerce

Dear All, As a career Foreign service worker, I am have now taken the role as President of the US-Libya Chamber of Commerce. My first role is to establish a real presence in Libya, with offices in Tripoli ( other offices may open at a later ...

douglas1969

1. I am hearing that the elections may not be held due to lack of correct registrations, is this correctWell that is really scary. The longer they postpone elections the longer investors will stay away from Libya.(((I am 100% certain that election ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
14 years ago
US Chamber of Commerce

US Chamber of Commerce Libya set to establish in Tripoli- Advice ? by US Chamber of Commerce

Dear All, As a career Foreign service worker, I am have now taken the role as President of the US-Libya Chamber of Commerce. My first role is to establish a real presence in Libya, with offices in Tripoli ( other offices may open at a later ...

douglas1969

Your post is very much valid and also very vague as to informing people of the realities of dealing within a country going through a major change in government and stability flux. Yes, getting there first is important, but its also important to ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
14 years ago
US Chamber of Commerce

US Chamber of Commerce Libya set to establish in Tripoli- Advice ? by US Chamber of Commerce

Dear All, As a career Foreign service worker, I am have now taken the role as President of the US-Libya Chamber of Commerce. My first role is to establish a real presence in Libya, with offices in Tripoli ( other offices may open at a later ...

douglas1969

well I will simply say there are a lot of expats who came back here you can ask them if you know any as they will give you an outsider idea as I am Libyan, for my part I think you can come here and you won't find a problem, after the elections in ... Read More

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14 years ago
meenameena

tripoli university by meenameena

Anybody have any news about how Tripoli Uni is progressing. My daughters wish to start October 2013 studying medicine, and geography/meteorology (if meteorology is available to study there). I know it's not the best uni in the world but we are ...

douglas1969

Anybody have any news about how Tripoli Uni is progressing. My daughters wish to start October 2013 studying medicine, and geography/meteorology (if meteorology is available to study there). I know it's not the best uni in the world but we are ... Read More

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14 years ago
Ange1

Might be back to Tripoli by Ange1

Hi all I left Tripoli last year during the uprising and now thinking of moving back with my family. I am asking advise regarding safety aspects and also about which international school is opened and which one will be opening in September. Many ...

douglas1969

No safety for families yet. If you must go to Libya to work, leave your family at home. Read More

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14 years ago
Ayshah

How's life in Libya now? by Ayshah

Hi all! I am writing an article to an European magazine about Libya after war. I would be really happy if someone could write me shortly in English how's life in Libya now after Gaddafi's gone. What is better or what is worse and what you hope for ...

douglas1969

Douglas : I'm writing a paper about people who left because I'm looking for people who came here in Belgium. (I have to meet them, to have a "field" - I don't know if it's the right word).. That's why :) Masterr : Thank you very much for the links ... Read More

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14 years ago
markyap

3 things to note when you go Myanmar by markyap

Buddhist country -so they are friendly and is a safe place to be but is backward Shopping tips - No credit cards and traveller's cheque accepted. Bring US dollars. The currency is in kat (pronounced as Chat) US$1 to about k800 Custom check- ...

douglas1969

Thanks for the great tips markyap. Could I ask you, what is the electrical grid infrastructure like? is there regular electricity in the cities uninterrupted 24 hours 7 days a week? Read More

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14 years ago
carfermu

Whats a good salary in Libya? by carfermu

Hello, I have been offered an opportunity in Libya, and would like to know what is a good salary I can ask for and what are the normal benefits expat people working for natural resources company (oil, coal, gas, etc) can expect or ask ...

douglas1969

Is a General Practitioner Doctor still a demand in Libya? and how much is the average salary of such work per month?I am almost 110% certain demand for doctors and GP's will be there. Its always been a high demand. Not sure about salary but I would ... Read More

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14 years ago
rumary

Traditional Libyan wedding by rumary

I would like to collect here all information about Libyan wedding traditions :) Not only about the ceremony, but also also celebration, what gifts sould be given, what clothers sould be wearing and so on.. All what be good to know for not Libyan ...

douglas1969

I would like to collect here all information about Libyan wedding traditions :) Not only about the ceremony, but also also celebration, what gifts sould be given, what clothers sould be wearing and so on.. All what be good to know for not Libyan ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
14 years ago
Ayshah

How's life in Libya now? by Ayshah

Hi all! I am writing an article to an European magazine about Libya after war. I would be really happy if someone could write me shortly in English how's life in Libya now after Gaddafi's gone. What is better or what is worse and what you hope for ...

douglas1969

Why would you write about people who left instead of people who stayed? During war, people who have the means and the money, leave the war zone and take their families with them. That's all there is to it. The ones that stay behind are the brave ... Read More

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14 years ago
Julien

Doing business in Libya by Julien

Hi, are foreign investors welcome in Libya? Is it complicated to register a company in Libya? What is the procedure? What is the corporate tax rate in Libya? Is it easy to recruit? Any advice you would share with us? Thank you ...

douglas1969

Hi All every thing need rebuilding every thing!! the brutal regime of gaddafi left the countryI believe more than one side used bombs during the war. NATO and EU countries should come up with the money to finance and pay for the rebuilding. Read More

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14 years ago
Julien

Doing business in Libya by Julien

Hi, are foreign investors welcome in Libya? Is it complicated to register a company in Libya? What is the procedure? What is the corporate tax rate in Libya? Is it easy to recruit? Any advice you would share with us? Thank you ...

douglas1969

Douglas1969, You need to come out of your little place in Scarborough Ont. and come and see the new libya, you have no clue on how libya is going and never had. People have too much confidence and more open to business I personally dont wana be ... Read More

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14 years ago
Siddiqui

New Libya - Boom or Bust?? by Siddiqui

I have been back in the New Libya from September, apart from the major change of removal of weapons from public display all over the place and checkpoints, I don't see much improvement. In my humble opinion it will take a couple of years to get ...

douglas1969

...demand the nullification of all the contracts especially the ones concluded with oil companies, where those should be reconditioned in order to better serve the new LIBYA. enough with those dreamy deals that the big names (BP, Exxon.....)get ... Read More

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14 years ago
Julien

Doing business in Libya by Julien

Hi, are foreign investors welcome in Libya? Is it complicated to register a company in Libya? What is the procedure? What is the corporate tax rate in Libya? Is it easy to recruit? Any advice you would share with us? Thank you ...

douglas1969

Julian and co., you probably could open up a business but why would you want to? Its going to be money down the drain. You do not open businesses in unstable places. Things can turn for the worse overnight or in a matter of hours. In order to open ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

Office Boy and snow flake, If you were so pros and all that, why the Fk do you wana stay in libya? Dont worry libyans will be okay without you! We libyans we started to clean the house starting from SNC Laval and GEMS and list goes on. Only the ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

Again douglas, I get the impression that you have never actually visited Libya. If your project is something you're seriously working on then I'd suggest you come down here for a few weeks and see the place for yourself :). Look around, ask ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

...English culture, history, traditions or AnglicanismWhat? The English have culture?!Of course the English have culture. Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

..Libya is ******* up due to a Libyan.Not true and you have no understanding of Libya. Qaddafi was not a typical Libyan. He was a very peculiar person and it's in the past now. Anyways, Libya will never be a Pakistan or Nigeria purely based on the ... Read More

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14 years ago
Siddiqui

New Libya - Boom or Bust?? by Siddiqui

I have been back in the New Libya from September, apart from the major change of removal of weapons from public display all over the place and checkpoints, I don't see much improvement. In my humble opinion it will take a couple of years to get ...

douglas1969

Libyan people's attitude towards foreign companies is startling. The general consensus is that the foreign companies operating in Libya have been milking the country dry and raking in the money under Qaddafi's reign so now they should be paying it ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

Douglas, you have good intentions but it seems that you have yet to experience life in a third world country for yourself, otherwise you'd pretty much understand what officeboy was saying about culture. It's unfortunate because you just snubbed the ... Read More

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14 years ago
Kepler

Pre Vs Post Revolution Libya by Kepler

I am wondering what you guys think of Libya right now compared to what it was before the revolution?

douglas1969

I do agree with you Douglas. If they need to be taught, teach them and get out. I personally never thought any Westerners should have been in Libya in the first place considering what they had to deal with and the leader, etc. But as far as this ... Read More

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14 years ago
Kepler

Pre Vs Post Revolution Libya by Kepler

I am wondering what you guys think of Libya right now compared to what it was before the revolution?

douglas1969

How is it for Americans? How do the Libyans feel about Americans? Are they safe there?Safer than before. You will see graffiti art on walls, thanking all the countries that helped them overthrow Gaddafi.You will never rebuild Libya counting on ... Read More

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14 years ago
Kepler

Pre Vs Post Revolution Libya by Kepler

I am wondering what you guys think of Libya right now compared to what it was before the revolution?

douglas1969

Nothing Change Yet and Something come worst especially the safety People here saying we change the Flag and National Anthem only Libya Are the same and will still bye ....Someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Nothing changed? ... Read More

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14 years ago
Kepler

Pre Vs Post Revolution Libya by Kepler

I am wondering what you guys think of Libya right now compared to what it was before the revolution?

douglas1969

I think Libya will be better than it was before the revolution and that all standards. Thanks Hakim,yaklefYes, I am 100% certain that things will be much better after the this revolution and after things have settled down.After next 40 ... Read More

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14 years ago
MoEl

Human Rights by MoEl

Soo.... who wants to wager that violations of human rights committed in Libya in the past/next four months have been/will be worse than any of those that occurred in the previous forty years?

douglas1969

douglas1969 I know that you are a Bedouin me3fen and a fungi livving in a shthole in Toronto. LooserSo douglas, i guess the build unity, love and pray every day that you alive, well, healthy and are so lucky to be living and witnessing such a time ... Read More

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14 years ago
MoEl

Human Rights by MoEl

Soo.... who wants to wager that violations of human rights committed in Libya in the past/next four months have been/will be worse than any of those that occurred in the previous forty years?

douglas1969

SuperHit, Was that SMS recieved from Saadi? or Aisha ? @ Moel, First, back in late 70s there was no town called Tawerqa Gaddafi made that town from bastards and ex slaves. second they have commeted crimes in Musrata even women and childern have ... Read More

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14 years ago
Christine

Buying property in Libya by Christine

Hi, can a foreigner buy property in Libya? If so, is it complicated? What is the process of purchasing a property in Libya? Any tips for buying property, such as a check-list of items to verify ? Thanks in advance for ...

douglas1969

Ya flasher. I don't think a non-Libyan is allowed to own property in Libya. There used to be a time long ago when foreigners were allowed to own property. Perhaps those Maltese you know are Libyans? Besides, good luck taking your case to court ... Read More

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14 years ago
Kepler

Pre Vs Post Revolution Libya by Kepler

I am wondering what you guys think of Libya right now compared to what it was before the revolution?

douglas1969

I think Libya will be better than it was before the revolution and that all standards. Thanks Hakim,yaklefYes, I am 100% certain that things will be much better after the this revolution and after things have settled down. Regarding your ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

positive reporting with the goal of improving the lives of all libyans and taking the country into the next stage of its transformation to a new and better future. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16110295 Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

The instability in Libya is mainly caused by ex supporters greenies, who will keep trying to destroy people's joy and sense of freedom, how would you start building while they are around you waiting for a chance to stab you and run, we need to keep ... Read More

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Airdrie Diamond

Sirte by Airdrie Diamond

Anyone know anything new about Sirte? Was working there when it all kicked of in February. When watching the news it looked as if much of it has been destroyed. Are people moving back?

douglas1969

..and all the Africans who he brought and gave them citizenship like our little friend Moel here, they will be sent home. End of a dark chapter of our libyan history.where did you get that? true that 99% of libya is arab. not true that there are no ... Read More

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14 years ago
MoEl

Human Rights by MoEl

Soo.... who wants to wager that violations of human rights committed in Libya in the past/next four months have been/will be worse than any of those that occurred in the previous forty years?

douglas1969

Gaddafi and his thugs set the bar extremely high on the human rights abuse scale.Indeed! Especially with him and his thugs deviating so far from the modern standards of international banking and finance.Ahh... the gold standard conspiracy theory ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

...nothing has been "achieved" yet. the country is in ruins and needs rebuilding. you want to achieve something in your life time, stop looking around for who to trust or distrust and just roll up your sleeves and start building. its not going to ... Read More

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14 years ago
MoEl

Human Rights by MoEl

Soo.... who wants to wager that violations of human rights committed in Libya in the past/next four months have been/will be worse than any of those that occurred in the previous forty years?

douglas1969

Soo.... who wants to wager that violations of human rights committed in Libya in the past/next four months have been/will be worse than any of those that occurred in the previous forty years?Why think that way. Look at it positive. Its a very large ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

.. you are a "climber" MUTASALLIQ and want to join the winning team now..As you can tell, I edited most of your post and took out the main key point as we are once again entering the downward spiral that goes nowhere. The previous regieme ruled ... Read More

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14 years ago

Hello, and question re: residency visa

It's very basic, blood test and chest X-Ray, needs to be redone every year as well, but nothing to panic about. My last chest x-ray included my glasses, hanging from my shirt, a pen, smokes and lighter in my pocket. OBThis is also similar to stories ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

How can you judge what the new government will spend or not spend on? That's just you trying to pass the word of your business or NGO interests. If a government thinks they do not need to spend on certain things..they simply will not spend, you as a ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

Duglass1969 its obvious that you, your family and the people that you know are EX Greenies Lejan Thawria Gaddaifs asskissers. So We dont want you or your greenie group in Libya. Mo MThe goal is not to continue to teach the Green book. The goal is ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

Douglas, It seems your in a minority, Expats are wanted back: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/15/libya-oil-industry-british-firms?CMP=twt_gu (snipped)did you actually read the article you posted? it has nothing to do with education ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

Greeni supporting a greenie 3abed how nice. I dont know who algea thing you talking about ya 3bed.Forget about wasting time searching for greenies, or looking for who was associated with it. After 42 years of green regime there is going to be lots ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

That itself shows how selfish you are! (-- rest snipped)The point I was making was that people benefited from the previous regieme in various ways. Anyways, I am not about to waste more time or energy arguing about the Qaddafi or the previous regime ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

Mate, no matter what anyone say's you'll argue against it. I bow to your obviously superior knowledge and look forward to your future posts. OBahh. whatever mate! now you are putting on the superiority BS act for lack of something better. so, ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

I totally agree that education is a big need in Libya, but until the culture changes it is always going to be a struggle, ask anyone living / working in an Arab culture. Primary School: Children are out with family until late at night, Ramadan and ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

live music in MU by douglas1969

hello, i am just wondering, what is the live music/bar scene like in MU? were there a lot of musicians playing music in bars and making half decent money?

douglas1969

damn great to see that this thread is active. was worried that there was no real scene in MU. Read More

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14 years ago
fatmakumru

banks in tripoli? by fatmakumru

ARe banks open and functioning? thanks fk

douglas1969

Any news about when western union will be operative?i believe someone posted here that WU is supposedly working. Read More

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14 years ago
Samee1

Jobs in Libya by Samee1

Hey there, I am coming back to the free Libya in a week and wonder how the job opportunities are. I see that Libyan Investment is no longer in service online and want to know if there are any other libya job sites around to seek employment. Have ...

douglas1969

Hello there Samee Dont know why u r coming back if u dont have job in Libya yet, could u help me out here; a bit confused. CheersI have lived in Libya on and off for the past 15 years. :D It's my second home. Would love to have found a job ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

to advance "a good cause", pay (modest) salaries or at least allowances to most of their staff.Depends much on the organization I think. I always suggest people go visit the office parking lot of the NGO. If you see a lot of brand new BMW's and Land ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

..Libya is ******* up due to a Libyan.Not true and you have no understanding of Libya. Qaddafi was not a typical Libyan. He was a very peculiar person and it's in the past now. Anyways, Libya will never be a Pakistan or Nigeria purely based on the ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

This training that you speak of, is it charity work ?Sure it is. A not-for-profit lobby group lobbying for K12 and higher education reform in a new country counts as a not-for profit.So your doing all this out of the goodness of your heart for the ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

Douglas, What is your group doing? I'm one of the foreigners that has recently arrived in Tripoli and we hope we will be allowed to deliver some aid as equal partners,Unfortunately, right now, the group isn't doing much. We are having a hard time ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

Douglas1969 used to be the one saying that Libya was F'dTrue. I thought the civil war would drag on for 20+ years. And I was wrong. And I will save you the time wasted by chasing other old posts. I was rooting for Qadddafi's side for most of the war ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

You are full of shit Drugless. Libya is now officially one of the most fucked up countries on earth along with Pakistan, Somalia and the rest. Yeah....sort out the shit yourselves, and you'll still be in the stone age 20 years from now. Just fucking ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

This training that you speak of, is it charity work ?Sure it is. A not-for-profit lobby group lobbying for K12 and higher education reform in a new country counts as a not-for profit. The key to rebuilding a new country is education. You will never ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

douglas1969 are you Libyan by any chance?libya must get rebuilt by libyans for libyans. we are trying to garner as much support and money for this effort as we can. foreigners, in whos best interest it is to make sure the rebuilding process takes ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

*** drugless and do your own homeworkoh.. now i get it. you're british. but 2 can play your word games. "homework" for what exactly? what "homework" are you referring to ja sandman? maybe home work how to make extra money from libyan peoples? maybe ... Read More

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14 years ago
douglas1969

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya by douglas1969

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ...

douglas1969

**** drugless and do your own homeworkare you 12 years old or something? Read More

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14 years ago

Aids Agencies and Rebuilding Process for Libya

I realize it's too early to be asking this question, but I would be interested to hear from anyone on the ground as to what activity they are seeing with regards to the process of rebuilding the country, rebuilding the schools and universities, ... Read More

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14 years ago
uefastriker

The Process of Rebuilding begins by uefastriker

Aside from getting the security situation under control in the immediate term....ensuring all utilities are functioning.and other challenges...and catching Gaddafi and his sons....I'm looking forward to the many changes we can look forward to in a ...

douglas1969

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-31/black-libyans-targeted-by-rebels-with-sub-saharan-africans-amnesty-says.html not a good thing. and not a good way to start a brand new chapter. and also, their claims to sub saharan warriors is very ... Read More

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14 years ago
uefastriker

The Process of Rebuilding begins by uefastriker

Aside from getting the security situation under control in the immediate term....ensuring all utilities are functioning.and other challenges...and catching Gaddafi and his sons....I'm looking forward to the many changes we can look forward to in a ...

douglas1969

Well, they would first need to re-build their country which will cost a lot of money and take some time. You want to go work in a place which has very bad electrical, water and garbage collecting infrastructure??? You then need to wait a little ... Read More

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14 years ago
uefastriker

The Process of Rebuilding begins by uefastriker

Aside from getting the security situation under control in the immediate term....ensuring all utilities are functioning.and other challenges...and catching Gaddafi and his sons....I'm looking forward to the many changes we can look forward to in a ...

douglas1969

... snipped and editted ...cool story bro. Fail to see what part of your story has anything to do with Libya or what happened in Libya. Libya is > 95% ethnic arabs and comparing Qaddafi and Jamahiriya to Tito and Communism requires a lot of a ... Read More

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14 years ago

Looking for job in Mauritius

HI there. I am not entirly sure if knowing english is a requirement. i may be wrong, but i get the impression that french is spoken there much more. Read More

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15 years ago
Stormtrooper

Occupation Permits - Things have now changed, watch out! by Stormtrooper

Hi, To all of you with occupation permits coming up for approval, you will find the link below most interesting.... relocationmauritius.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html Incidentally my permit was up for renewal too and I'm experiencing the ...

douglas1969

Number two, limit your friends. Everyone has some sort of agenda. I find the guys on this expat forum, for example, first-class dudes! Great guys and girls many of them and, those who i have not yet met, i'm sure they're great too! If you are going ... Read More

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15 years ago
Stormtrooper

Occupation Permits - Things have now changed, watch out! by Stormtrooper

Hi, To all of you with occupation permits coming up for approval, you will find the link below most interesting.... relocationmauritius.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html Incidentally my permit was up for renewal too and I'm experiencing the ...

douglas1969

It is a WELL-KNOWN and DOCUMENTED fact that the Mauritian Diaspora is viewed with contempt, dislike and even hate, in Mauritius.This is not that different than the way other diasporas are viewed from within. If I were to go back to my country of ... Read More

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15 years ago
Stormtrooper

Occupation Permits - Things have now changed, watch out! by Stormtrooper

Hi, To all of you with occupation permits coming up for approval, you will find the link below most interesting.... relocationmauritius.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html Incidentally my permit was up for renewal too and I'm experiencing the ...

douglas1969

Be zen and get on with your life!;)Wise words, ones i live by and everyone on here should take note. If you want to move forwards in life, you have to look ahead, not backwards. :-) Read More

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15 years ago
douglas1969

live music in MU by douglas1969

hello, i am just wondering, what is the live music/bar scene like in MU? were there a lot of musicians playing music in bars and making half decent money?

douglas1969

thanks to all for posting. A quick question, what is your impressions as to what most bars are like in popuated areas in MU? On busy nights, do you usually find that there are more bars with live music & musicians or are there usually more bars ... Read More

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15 years ago
Sleeping Cookie

HP / Dell by Sleeping Cookie

Good morning all... I want to buy a powerful laptop before I leave to Mauritius. Since these days there is not much difference between the products both companies offer, I would like to know how is the technical service provided in Mauritius. Which ...

douglas1969

generally my attitude towards laptops lately because of the large price drops have been, if you DONT need high end performance or computing or care much about looks and feel -- do disposable. you can get a very decent lowend laptop on sale for ~$500 ... Read More

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15 years ago
Sleeping Cookie

HP / Dell by Sleeping Cookie

Good morning all... I want to buy a powerful laptop before I leave to Mauritius. Since these days there is not much difference between the products both companies offer, I would like to know how is the technical service provided in Mauritius. Which ...

douglas1969

Thanks Islander for the tips. I have several Lenovos (Thinkpad) and I am quite disappointed by them. Since it's not IBM anymore, you can clearly feel the difference. I've been receiving good feedback regarding Dell. Which one of the "aliens" would ... Read More

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15 years ago
douglas1969

live music in MU by douglas1969

hello, i am just wondering, what is the live music/bar scene like in MU? were there a lot of musicians playing music in bars and making half decent money?

douglas1969

There are often live concerts by prolific Mauritian bands/artists across the island, with music genres varying between reggae, afro-beat, zouk, dancehall and sega among others. You can check out these sites for more information and notice about ... Read More

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15 years ago
chid0ry_kaname

LEAVING FROM, GOING TO... LIBYA by chid0ry_kaname

WHEN all and everyone seem to leave Libya, I am wanting to GO TO LIBYA. On Feb. 12, 2011 I was on my second to the last step of going to Libya... to work in TRIPOLI MEDICAL CENTER to work as a nurse, see, I'm a filipino nurse, and the slim ...

douglas1969

.. my agency said that once the chaos is over, new expatriates brave enough to come to Libya will have their salary doubled...Libya wasn't that safe for foreigners during times of peace and the iron fisted rule of the Quadaffi military and police ... Read More

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15 years ago
chid0ry_kaname

LEAVING FROM, GOING TO... LIBYA by chid0ry_kaname

WHEN all and everyone seem to leave Libya, I am wanting to GO TO LIBYA. On Feb. 12, 2011 I was on my second to the last step of going to Libya... to work in TRIPOLI MEDICAL CENTER to work as a nurse, see, I'm a filipino nurse, and the slim ...

douglas1969

Anyone knows till when will these protests last?It is not a protest. It is a civil war. You can use google news to follow the events if you want. Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
15 years ago
JayTee

Possible move to Mauritius by JayTee

Good morning all, I'm a first time poster on this forum, based in Aberdeenshire, Scotland. Recently myself and my partner decided we would like to move to Mauritius and as with many others, we have a number of questions. Here's a little about our ...

douglas1969

There's also a lack of tech culture. These may or may not be an issue.Hi Stephenn, thanks for the great and useful posts. Through doing a little bit of regular resaerch on the side, I am also getting the impression that the IT industry might be ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
15 years ago

I heart Mauritius!

Foolish girl! You left MU for freezing Canada?! (just kidding -- glad you had a great time) Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
15 years ago
Thebigtuna

For anyone interested in current LYD exchange rates: by Thebigtuna

At the Egyptian border the rate is 1.56 LYD per US dollar. On the black market here in Benghazi the rate is anywhere between 1.7 to 2 LYD to a dollar (depends on your negotiating skills really). The black market can be found in the "Souk al-Jareed" ...

douglas1969

From leveled stone and drifting ash mixed with sand and the blood of all souls lost, she will rise beautiful and sanguine on the backs of all those who love her. Rest assured my return is imminent.not if the wicked salary isn't there anymore. ;-) Read More

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15 years ago
Lencamsav

Love on the island by Lencamsav

This might not be the correct way of going about it , but I am asking if anyone knows of dedicated dating website and/or speed dating in Mauritius. Have fallen for this island and would now like to chance my luck on possibly meeting someone to share ...

douglas1969

Touché! :-) But, yeah, you are right -- you recieve what you put out in this world. A quote I remember from college, "Issolation makes people suspicions and suspicion keeps them issolated."The locals (or Natives as some expat referred to them ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
15 years ago
Thebigtuna

For anyone interested in current LYD exchange rates: by Thebigtuna

At the Egyptian border the rate is 1.56 LYD per US dollar. On the black market here in Benghazi the rate is anywhere between 1.7 to 2 LYD to a dollar (depends on your negotiating skills really). The black market can be found in the "Souk al-Jareed" ...

douglas1969

I'm still here in the US but will be coming back within the next month or two.you are not going to be going back to libya for a long time. the country is being bombed back into the stone ages. the libyan gravy train is finished. Read More

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15 years ago
Julien

Racism by Julien

Do you feel racism in your country? Is it complicated to integrate yoursleft with local people or are you used to it? I really like London because the city is a lot of people from everywhere, and everybody seems to be integrated. I don't feel ...

douglas1969

After the September 2001 incident on the twin towers, racism has taken another turn.I agree, the post 9/11 world and the serial wars that have come of it have made the world a much more polarized place. Once/if the wars ever end and the events ... Read More

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douglas1969 replied to a thread
15 years ago
Julien

Racism by Julien

Do you feel racism in your country? Is it complicated to integrate yoursleft with local people or are you used to it? I really like London because the city is a lot of people from everywhere, and everybody seems to be integrated. I don't feel ...

douglas1969

I am in Canada - the multi-cultural center of the world - and yes, there is racism. It takes different forms of varrying reasons. You have the usual type, more established Canadians feeling the immigration is too lax and feel they suffer ... Read More